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[raging_monkey]

I'm a qun apologist among other things and even I agree that they want people to submit or die.

1 elves be them delish or city are a small minority in comparison to other races.

2 the qun is dubious on personal freedoms with conflicting info from bull arishok and stenshok so what the addict expect is hard to fathom outside fanfiction.

3 please just shut up

[The Ascendant]

I wonder how Tevinter views demonic possession and demons in general? Natural predators that weed out the weak, useful minions to use in a bind, or general nuisances more than anything else?

[raging_monkey]

Minions and general nuisance

[Hellion Rex]

I wonder how Tevinter views demonic possession and demons in general? Natural predators that weed out the weak, useful minions to use in a bind, or general nuisances more than anything else?

Spirits are normal to be summoned, I believe, as Dorian's necromancy suggests. Also, I believe that according to WoT, simple spirits are often used as servants for mage nobility. Demons, the kind that are summoned via blood magic, are probably not permitted by the Black Divine. That said, I imagine it's a kind of "it's only bad if you get caught" kind of scenario. 

 

As for possession, I would imagine that they'd consider whoever got possessed to be weak for falling prey to a demon, and would terminate the abomination with a prejudice, if not keep the creature to be studied. 

 

I think Tevinter has had a lot of practice dealing with and neutralizing demons.

[The Ascendant]

I am curious that Dorian was able to use Necromancy despite not being a Mortalitasi, then again considering that the practice began with a Tevinter it would be natural that the Tevinters have a variety of the school of magic. I wonder if they have any useful information on the older more powerful demons. I always imagined that there exists a hierarchy of Demon Lords and other powerful Fade entities that we just haven't encountered yet. The existence of Nightmare, a being so ancient who knows Solas' true identity and so powerful we can only fight a fragment of it before sacrificing a hero to escape it, have mollified my desires, but I hope we encounter more unique and personable demons and spirits in Tevinter. Every noble family could have a patron spirit like the Roman household gods that they venerate.

[raging_monkey]

Magic exists to serve man so naturally tevinter next to the elves of old are the most well versed in the arts

[IHaveReturned1999]

With the Vints gone, nothing prevents the Qunari from launching onslaughts on all what remains, and the Dalish weren't strong enough to hold themselves on a war against the southern Chantry.

Why would they want to do that (And the Trespasser DLC is poorly written in my opinion because why would the Qunari be stupid enough to endanger their nation if they fail the invasion attempt and all human nations would go an all out war against Par Vollen? Yeah that's pretty smart.) If anything the Qunari would not declare an invasion if they want to keep the peace and as long no one tries to agitate each other. Don't start no **** it won't be none.

[Amburu]

I always imagined that there exists a hierarchy of Demon Lords and other powerful Fade entities that we just haven't encountered yet.

 

I've read a codex yesterday about the ancient tev magisters studying the fade back in the times and trying to map it, it said they found about 12 domains of lord demons (something like this, game isn't in english) before they realised the fade was always changing and gave up on this research

[Hellion Rex]

I am curious that Dorian was able to use Necromancy despite not being a Mortalitasi, then again considering that the practice began with a Tevinter it would be natural that the Tevinters have a variety of the school of magic. I wonder if they have any useful information on the older more powerful demons. I always imagined that there exists a hierarchy of Demon Lords and other powerful Fade entities that we just haven't encountered yet. The existence of Nightmare, a being so ancient who knows Solas' true identity and so powerful we can only fight a fragment of it before sacrificing a hero to escape it, have mollified my desires, but I hope we encounter more unique and personable demons and spirits in Tevinter. Every noble family could have a patron spirit like the Roman household gods that they venerate.

I don't think they necessarily would venerate a given spirit as a patron, but perhaps they have bound given demons or entities to the bloodline to call upon in times of need.

 

And yes, there is undoubtedly a bit of demonic hierarchy, though I imagine that much of it is only known to the demons themselves. I imagine that over the years that Tevinter has begun to glimpse a bit of it, but probably nowhere near the entire scheme. We have the Forbidden Ones for sure, those demons who have demonstrate power beyond that which we have seen from the garden variety of demon. And if it was indeed true that they were once of the ancient elvhen, the Forbidden Ones would indeed be a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully the Formless One will give us a good showing in the next game. Then of course, we have the Nightmare, a demon of fear that has fed upon the dreams and nightmares of Thedas for millennia. I imagine there are other such complex beings that would grow fat upon the specific and complex vices of their given targets.

 

And I imagine that there are at least a decent few more demon lords of Nightmare caliber hidden within the deepest abyss of the Fade or perhaps walk among us now unseen. Who knows? I find this kind of Thedosian demonic study quite fascinating really. 

[Hellion Rex]

I've read a codex yesterday about the ancient tev magisters studying the fade back in the times and trying to map it, it said they found about 12 domains of lord demons (something like this, game isn't in english) before they realised the fade was always changing and gave up on this research

Indeed. That codex is also in WoT. The Fade was ever changing, so attempting to map it out resulted in failure.

[Iakus]

Why would they want to do that (And the Trespasser DLC is poorly written in my opinion because why would the Qunari be stupid enough to endanger their nation if they fail the invasion attempt and all human nations would go an all out war against Par Vollen? Yeah that's pretty smart.) If anything the Qunari would not declare an invasion if they want to keep the peace and as long no one tries to agitate each other. Don't start no **** it won't be none.

The last time the QUnari went to War, they nearly conquered TEvinter, Antiva, Rivain, and the Free Marches.  It took the combined forces of humanity, including Exalted Marches from both CHantries andunleashing all the Circle of Magi just to fight them to a standstill

[IHaveReturned1999]

The last time the QUnari went to War, they nearly conquered TEvinter, Antiva, Rivain, and the Free Marches. It took the combined forces of humanity, including Exalted Marches from both CHantries andunleashing all the Circle of Magi just to fight them to a standstill

That's long ago I'm talking about the present and since everyone is all armed up with better weapons and tactics and the Qunari set themselves up to be demonized for their idiotic attempt for an unprovoked invasion, they will all unite with each other even ally with the Imperium to demolish them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The last time the QUnari went to War, they nearly conquered TEvinter, Antiva, Rivain, and the Free Marches.  It took the combined forces of humanity, including Exalted Marches from both CHantries andunleashing all the Circle of Magi just to fight them to a standstill

Yep. The moment we lose the Tevinter Imperium, the loss the rest of Thedas is assured. Maybe not in the same war, but the Qun would do like what they are doing now with Tevinter: wage a 'war' while the bulk of their forces are built up and being made ready for the true war. 

[raging_monkey]

Qaugmires are never pretty

[Andromelek]

Why would they want to do that (And the Trespasser DLC is poorly written in my opinion because why would the Qunari be stupid enough to endanger their nation if they fail the invasion attempt and all human nations would go an all out war against Par Vollen? Yeah that's pretty smart.) If anything the Qunari would not declare an invasion if they want to keep the peace and as long no one tries to agitate each other. Don't start no **** it won't be none.

The last thing I'll say to you is that Qunari weren't stupid on Trespasser, no one would have noticed what they were about to do if Solas wouldn't have intervened.

Yep. The moment we lose the Tevinter Imperium, the loss the rest of Thedas is assured. Maybe not in the same war, but the Qun would do like what they are doing now with Tevinter: wage a 'war' while the bulk of their forces are built up and being made ready for the true war.

Correct me if I'm wrong but as I recall, someone on this thread said that the Qunari took over Tevinter on the Qunari Wars.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The last thing I'll say to you is that Qunari weren't stupid on Trespasser, no one would have noticed what they were about to do if Solas wouldn't have intervened.
Correct me if I'm wrong but as I recall, someone on this thread said that the Qunari took over Tevinter on the Qunari Wars.

In the last big war, the Qun had conquered nearly all of Tevinter. Minrathous was essentially all that was left. It was at that time the Southern nations followed the Chantry in an Exalted March against the Qun, pushing them back to where the border is today when the peace treaty was agreed to.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The last time the QUnari went to War, they nearly conquered TEvinter, Antiva, Rivain, and the Free Marches.  It took the combined forces of humanity, including Exalted Marches from both CHantries andunleashing all the Circle of Magi just to fight them to a standstill

 

I think it's almost more accurate to say that they successfully conquered Tevinter, Antiva and Rivain. It took the combined forces of humanity to push them back to where they started the war. Almost.

[Andromelek]

I think it's almost more accurate to say that they successfully conquered Tevinter, Antiva and Rivain. It took the combined forces of humanity to push them back to where they started the war. Almost.

I know that Tevinter and Rivain were beaten by the Qun, but weren't the Qunari forced onto retreat when they tried to seize of Antiva?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I know that Tevinter and Rivain were beaten by the Qun, but weren't the Qunari forced onto retreat when they tried to seize of Antiva?

No. This is the timeline regarding Antiva and the Qun. 

 

6:32–42 Steel: Antiva is conquered by the invading Qunari.

6:85 Steel - 7:23 Storm: Antiva is freed from the Qunari.

7:52 Storm: During the Second New Exalted March the Qunari recapture much of Antiva, and Treviso is burned by the liberating armies of the White and Black Divines.

7:84 Storm: The end of the Third New Exalted March and signing of the Llomerryn Accord. Antiva is free from the Qunari influence.

 

That said, the Qun did have a harder time conquering Antiva because of forces like their navy and the Antivan Crows. 

[Andromelek]

No. This is the timeline regarding Antiva and the Qun. 
 
6:32–42 Steel: Antiva is conquered by the invading Qunari.
6:85 Steel - 7:23 Storm: Antiva is freed from the Qunari.
7:52 Storm: During the Second New Exalted March the Qunari recapture much of Antiva, and Treviso is burned by the liberating armies of the White and Black Divines.
7:84 Storm: The end of the Third New Exalted March and signing of the Llomerryn Accord. Antiva is free from the Qunari influence.
 
That said, the Qun did have a harder time conquering Antiva because of forces like their navy and the Antivan Crows.

Odd; I remember that Fenris or Zevran mentioned that even Qunari prefer to not mess up with the Antivans, but if they conquered Antiva why the fear then?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Odd; I remember that Fenris or Zevran mentioned that even Qunari prefer to not mess up with the Antivans, but if they conquered Antiva why the fear then?

Because of like I said the Antivan Crows and other such forces. They were pretty much making it that owning Antiva was not worth the Qun's while due to the losses they were experiencing. Sort of like how real life resistance movements harass an occupying force to the point the occupying force is having second thoughts about being there. 

[Steelcan]

Yep. The moment we lose the Tevinter Imperium, the loss the rest of Thedas is assured. Maybe not in the same war, but the Qun would do like what they are doing now with Tevinter: wage a 'war' while the bulk of their forces are built up and being made ready for the true war. 

I don't know about that, it'll depend how heavily the writers drawn on the Byzantine/Ottoman comparisons for this story line.  The Fall of Constantinople and the subsequent explosion of the Ottomans onto the world stage wasn't the end of Christian Europe.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Odd; I remember that Fenris or Zevran mentioned that even Qunari prefer to not mess up with the Antivans, but if they conquered Antiva why the fear then?

 

That's in the codex entry for the Antivan crows. Although between Sten and Tallis, I began to question the veracity of the claim that the Qunari leave Antiva alone because actually fear the crows.

[thesuperdarkone2]

That's in the codex entry for the Antivan crows. Although between Sten and Tallis, I began to question the veracity of the claim that the Qunari leave Antiva alone because actually fear the crows.

Actually there's a codex which mentions that an antivan queen married so many of her kids away that there were enough political connections that meant attacking Antiva would mean a war with most of Thedas

[Andromelek]

That's in the codex entry for the Antivan crows. Although between Sten and Tallis, I began to question the veracity of the claim that the Qunari leave Antiva alone because actually fear the crows.

Perhaps they don't like Dragons and Witches either

Edit: But seriously, if we head to the north, I'd really want to visit Antiva at some point.