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[Qun00]

While I don't expect to be able to change Tevinter entirely, we certainly will get the chance to improve it.

And to that end, a mage protagonist seems best. Someone who can set an example and represent the best a mage can be without the corruption that rules their society.

[raging_monkey]

Improve is relative I can improve register by being the ultimate good guy or I can improve it (more likly) by being a ass

[Qun00]

I don't see how.

[Qun00]

I thought that was painfully obvious with the demon summoning and blood sacrifices.

[IHaveReturned1999]

And they argued me down with insults and I'm simply making an observation.

[The Baconer]

It's cool. Satan's my dude.

[raging_monkey]

I was told to review rules ... On dying forum charming

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I've decided to move to http://bsn.boards.net/ personally. Has the closest content layout to current BSN. 

 

And count me as with Vertigomez in the salt mine if we don't get an ambassadwarvian background option. lol

[Andromelek]

I was told to review rules ... On dying forum charming

I think that's why they're called modbots; it feels like an actual bot, that lacks of common sense was doing the job.

[SwobyJ]

While I don't expect to be able to change Tevinter entirely, we certainly will get the chance to improve it.

And to that end, a mage protagonist seems best. Someone who can set an example and represent the best a mage can be without the corruption that rules their society.

 

Every game has provided and will provide plenty enough reason to play any of the classes. Epic conflicts enough to Warrior, intrigue enough to Rogue, and magic enough to Mage. A shifting to (at least arguably) relatively more Mage than before, is no big deal.

 

I'd not mind, and maybe even love that. Though more and more ideas are popping up in my thoughts more about how a 'Rogue' 'emphasis' could happen into games going into Antiva/Rivain and/or Par Volen/Seheron. It'd have to get more Rogue somewhere around there, right? Sneaky sneaky pew pew trap setting map manipulating wooo.

 

It would be particularly interesting in a hypothetical Dragon Age future shaken up by battles (the first 2-3 games' times), and woken up by magic (DAI and DA4? More?). 'Rogues', setting-wise, could become anything up to the hackers of all of reality.

 

But not yet. Mage time! Lets be a Dreamer k.

[Gervaise]

Every class has its place in Tevinter society.    The Soporati are actually the biggest group numerically.    Many of the administrators and lower level government officials are going to be non-mages, as are the bulk of their military.   They also form the bulk of the merchant class.

 

Dorian says that Tevinter assassins are even more deadly than the Crows, so clearly there is at least one specialist rogue class that could have a standing in Tevinter.  With the number of dwarves around, I would imagine artificer would also be popular.    Given what Bull says about the activities of Tevinter agents on Seheron, may be they will combine the two specialism into a new class of Tevinter Saboteur, someone who works on behalf of the government to undermine enemy armies and outposts.   Such a person could equally use their skills to undermine their own government.

 

I am also hopeful for the return of the spirit warrior.   Surely there has to be room for a warrior discipline that actively seeks the help of friendly spirits in a place like Tevinter where using spirits is not frowned on as it is in the south.   A warrior would also have the advantage that they won't have been tainted in the eyes of spirits by using blood magic.    And given the prevalence of dragon cults still knocking around in Tevinter, the class of Reaver just has to be included (not that I actually use it myself).   I can definitely see a companion who is a true Reaver.   By that I mean they have actually gone through all the rituals like you had to in DAO.

 

I'm really hopeful that we will get some variety again in the classes we are offered or even some entirely new ones given how different attitudes in the north are so those in the south.

[Squinterific]

Every class has its place in Tevinter society.    The Soporati are actually the biggest group numerically.    Many of the administrators and lower level government officials are going to be non-mages, as are the bulk of their military.   They also form the bulk of the merchant class.

 

Dorian says that Tevinter assassins are even more deadly than the Crows, so clearly there is at least one specialist rogue class that could have a standing in Tevinter.  With the number of dwarves around, I would imagine artificer would also be popular.    Given what Bull says about the activities of Tevinter agents on Seheron, may be they will combine the two specialism into a new class of Tevinter Saboteur, someone who works on behalf of the government to undermine enemy armies and outposts.   Such a person could equally use their skills to undermine their own government.

 

Maybe Tevinter assassins are rogue-mage hybrids. That would be cool.

[nightscrawl]

I'm pretty keen to play an altus soporati and I really want that option in the next game. I want to see how they're treated, what it's stated that they do, and so on.

[Gervaise]

I wonder how good their chances of survival would be once it is discovered they aren't mages.   Felix's grandfather was going to have him killed simply for being a mage of negligible ability because of the perceived shame he brought on the family since he was "just barely more than a Soporati".     He only survived because his mother killed his grandfather first.   That made her husband head of House Alexius and thus in control of official family policy on the matter. 

 

May be they are just packed off the some distant relative and never talked about again, even if they aren't actually killed.    Then when they are old enough they are encouraged to enter the military and probably spend the rest of their life stuck on Seheron or some equally soul destroying place.  

 

In fact, considering their careful breeding programme among the Altus, do you suppose they ever produce pure Soporati, as opposed to simply weak mages?    Alternatively, may be you are instantly downgraded to the rank of Soporati, so again this would mean that officially there is no such thing as a non-mage Altus.   Just as mages cannot inherit the family title down south, so non-mages cannot inherit the Altus family title up north.

[The Baconer]

I'd imagine it wouldn't need to be so dire if the Altus weren't a horde of single children.

Silver lining: it'll make them easier to purge in the coming transfiguration

[Heimdall]

I'm pretty keen to play an altus soporati and I really want that option in the next game. I want to see how they're treated, what it's stated that they do, and so on.

That would be great, I'm still hoping for the qunari slave Mage option. I like the idea of being a character in a bad position, but still better than he would find elsewhere.

[nightscrawl]

I wonder how good their chances of survival would be once it is discovered they aren't mages.   Felix's grandfather was going to have him killed simply for being a mage of negligible ability because of the perceived shame he brought on the family since he was "just barely more than a Soporati".     He only survived because his mother killed his grandfather first.   That made her husband head of House Alexius and thus in control of official family policy on the matter. 

 

May be they are just packed off the some distant relative and never talked about again, even if they aren't actually killed.    Then when they are old enough they are encouraged to enter the military and probably spend the rest of their life stuck on Seheron or some equally soul destroying place.  

 

In fact, considering their careful breeding programme among the Altus, do you suppose they ever produce pure Soporati, as opposed to simply weak mages?    Alternatively, may be you are instantly downgraded to the rank of Soporati, so again this would mean that officially there is no such thing as a non-mage Altus.   Just as mages cannot inherit the family title down south, so non-mages cannot inherit the Altus family title up north.

 

I think too many of the posters on these forums are too rigid when it comes to things like this. Every family will be different. You can say the same about having a gay or trans child that doesn't want to "do their duty," but Mae's father was supportive of her, while Dorian's was not. Some children will be shunned, some will be ignored in favor of other children -- we only know of less than a handful of families with a single child, to suggest this is some trend is just silly -- some may in fact be sent off to distant relatives, and some will be loved.

 

As far as ever producing a soporati, I'd imagine it's uncommon, but I'm sure it happens. Genetics is all about percentages, and there is always a chance that you will get the undesired or alternate outcome, whether that be an unfortunate medical condition, or even having red hair when the last member of the family to have such was your great great great grandfather.

 

As far as the multiple children thing is concerned, you have to remember that all of the individuals we know about are significant characters or been involved in the plot in some way, so it is simply plot convenience that Dorian is an only child because of the issues it caused for him. The same applies to Felix and also Maevaris. Would things have been easier for those parents if they had multiple children? Certainly. But it would also have the effect of significantly reducing the drama for certain characters. If Dorian had a sibling, there likely would have been considerably less pressure on him, and thus his personal issues would have been lessened. It's all about the juicy drama.

[raging_monkey]

Wonder if there's such thing as magical diseases(not counting blight)

[Lady Artifice]

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[Squinterific]

And to that end, a mage protagonist seems best. Someone who can set an example and represent the best a mage can be without the corruption that rules their society.

 

A job for Magister Dorian Pavus and his Lucerni friends!

[Bayonet Hipshot]

While I don't expect to be able to change Tevinter entirely, we certainly will get the chance to improve it.

And to that end, a mage protagonist seems best. Someone who can set an example and represent the best a mage can be without the corruption that rules their society.

 

True but I would love to play as a Tevinter Soporati protagonist. Be the Muggle who shows those frilly Mages what being a hero is actually about.

[rapscallioness]

Hey all. I just wanted to drop in and say I really hope Tevinter is coming. I've been waiting to go to Tevinter for a long while.

 

...I had been waiting to go to Val Royeaux for a long while, too. And , well, ...hmm.

 

So, if there is a DA4--and it's greenlit and all that disclaimer stuff--do it up right for me this time, BW. Culture, architecture, music, density, reflection of classes/caste; quests.

 

Make it a rich experience.

 

Cheers!

[Gervaise]

Just thought I would come back in defence of my views on the likelihood of a non-mage Altus.   Naturally every family will be different and there will be those who cherish their children regardless.    However, what I was referring to was the overall attitude of society and what is likely to be the norm in view of everything we have been told of Tevinter society.   I actually feel that if they make a human PC a noble again, particularly an Altus it will demonstrate something of a prejudice on the part of the writers that they are unwilling to confront what it is like being a commoner for a human PC.  They touched on it with Hawke because they started off at the bottom, but once they had the money, they were restored to their position in society with none of the problems that a real commoner might experience.   To give an example, I doubt Duke Prosper would have invited Hawke to his hunting party if they were not genuine nobility, via Leandra who was known to Prosper.   Bethany got preferential treatment in the Circle, being allowed visits from her family and being able to be allowed out unsupervised by Templars, even before Hawke became Champion.    Contrast that with Ella who was dragged off and never even got to say goodbye to her mother, who had to risk trying to sneak out in order to do so.    And before you say what Vivienne states on the matter, it has to be remembered that she did have the support of nobility.   Naturally First Enchanters are more likely to give permission to those people who do, than a commoner with no family connections.   The Ferelden Circle seemed fairly typical in being neither too strict or too liberal on such issues and there was no suggestion in DAO that senior mages were allowed out generally, except on specific business, like supporting the army at Ostagar (when Templars were in attendance) and  Innis who was doing her botanical studies in a generally uninhabited area.

 

This might be offset somewhat if they actually showed how it can be worse to be a non-mage Altus in Tevinter than someone who was born Soporati.    For a start off you would be a rarity.   Years of breeding for specific traits to produce the perfect mage will reduce the possibility of breeding a mundane.    Unlike a Soporati family where it would be seen as a cause for celebration that they had produced a mage, the realisation that the child of an Altus was not magically gifted would at the very least be a disappointment.   Essentially their careful breeding program had failed.    This is why I quoted the example of the attitude of the head of House Alexius to the realisation that Felix was little better than a Soporati, although he did have some magical talent, albeit negligible.    In the case of Maevaris, whilst her father may have been unusual in supporting her, in fact the breeding programme had been successful in the production of a mage and a talented one at that.    What has not been made clear is what happens if an Altus heir is a non-mage.   Would they be prohibited from taking up their seat in the Magisterium?   If they did take up the position, how long would they last?      It wouldn't surprise me to discover that the reason the Trevelyans had a link with Dorian's family is because in the past  a non-mage Altus family member decided they would have better prospects in the Freemarches than remaining at home.

 

There is also the religious aspect to consider.   Right from the time of the old gods, the Altus have considered their magic was a gift of the gods.   This continued on into the Maker era.   During the period where mages were not allowed to be in the top jobs, mundane Altus may have been more valued by their families (as Fenris suggested) because it allowed them still to rule from behind the scenes.   However, once that situation was overturned and the Imperial Chantry asserted its independence, then the old idea of magic being a divine blessing would have been restored.   Thus to not have magic would be seen as having lost the favour of the god/gods.    In other words, just as in southern Thedeas many families see having magic as a curse, so many families in Tevinter would view having a non-mage in the same way.   It is just reversing the ideology to reflect the differing attitude to magic.

 

I also question the number of mundane Altus because of how little provision seems to be made for them in terms of education.    Alexius was pushing for better education and institutions of higher learning for Soporati even before Felix was born.   He obviously saw the wasted potential among the mundanes and likely this influenced his determination to get the best possible education for his son, when it was clear his true talents would not be nurtured in the Circle system.    It was necessary for Alexius to bring in specialist tutors, many likely from other parts of Thedas, in order for his son to receive a proper education because clearly there was nothing available in the way of actual Institutions of learning outside of the Circles.    When he wanted to give him access to higher education, he was obliged to send him to the university in a foreign country that had been historically at odds with his own.   It is fortunate that by this time Celene was in power and encouraging the development of the university because otherwise such an option might well not have been available.    So clearly, whilst any Altus could do the same for their non-mage children, the very fact that nothing exists to provide for them outside of the family home, would indicate how little worth is placed on non-mage Altus and in fact how few of them historically there are likely to be.  

 

However, the likelihood is that there will be no origin story but just a brief background for the PC like we had in DAI.   Then they will leave it up to you to role play how your life has been, with the brief dialogue prompts to select from when someone asks you about it.    So it will be very much a case that if they decide to go with a non-mage Altus option,  then the player will be able to use their own ideas on how they have been treated by their family and society as a whole, just as with a Trevelyan noble.