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EVERY Archon known to us, has been a mage. While feasible that the title Archon was used in the interregnum while mages were confined to the Circles in Tevinter. It is however jsut as likely that the title was abolished for that time aswell. And in current Thedas the title of Archon is EXCLUSIVELY possessed by mages. Period.
Thanks all knowing writer of the DA universe... oh wait?
Right now all the upper ranks are mages because the Circle is pretty much running things on top.
I'm looking over materials again, and during the time period between the Transfiguration and that Archon I mentioned earlier, non-mages had many opportunities to rise to power as the Soporati were still numorous and were the greatest supporters of the Transfiguration, while the Altus was greatly weakened as they tended to side with the Old God priests when Hessarian said "convert or die" to those in power.
When the Altus class recovered, they were able to gain more political power due to the culture of Tevinter seeing magic as a divine gift and such. When the Archon was elected from among the enchanters, the Circle of Magi in Tevinter gained control and it is through the Circle of Magi that mages can reach the higher seats of power now. The Circles are like political parties, in that candidates tend to be drawn from them and there usually aren't independent candidates.
The higher ups in the clergy are mages because of their view on magic, exclusive to magic users, (wasn't like that in the past, but now it is pretty much tradition, whether their doctrine and theology says this should be the case for all time, I don't know) like how the Andrastian Chantry higher ups are female only because of their view on Maferath's betrayal and men being more fallen than women... or something.
Thanks all knowing writer of the DA universe... oh wait?
Well, if you would actually read through the source material, you would see that I am right. You however choose to remain in fanon land, where the Tevinter Imperium is the land of equality and happiness. Sadly that really isn't the case.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Well, if you would actually read through the source material, you would see that I am right. You however choose to remain in fanon land, where the Tevinter Imperium is the land of equality and happiness. Sadly that really isn't the case.
No I've read the lore just fine. What you gave me was an assumption, while reasonable, far from proven.
Ankther thing i dislike about the white chantry(and single dominated sex faiths) is that its sexist. Oh cause a man got petty and went stupid they claim all men as fallen. Least with the imperial chantry there is some equality and no super guilt trips
Umm... some equality? The ratio between mages to mundanes is not as equal as the ratio between men and women. No guilt trip sure, just no magic means you are not favored, or something.
Also, not all faiths that have their spiritual leaders exclusively male or female are sexist, as it is not always meaning that one is in some way better or superior. However, the Andrastian/Orlesian Chantry does say women are better than men... in spiritual matters at least...
No I've read the lore just fine. What you gave me was an assumption, while reasonable, far from proven.
There is no assumption on the part of the Archon rank consisting exclusively of mages in modern Tevinter.
Right now all the upper ranks are mages because the Circle is pretty much running things on top.
Bingo. All the Archons have been mages because it's a freaking magocracy.
theres the problem lol your using modern examples we are using historical facts not just modern factsThere is no assumption on the part of the Archon rank consisting exclusively of mages in modern Tevinter.
theres the problem lol your using modern examples we are using historical facts not just modern facts
Historically speaking ALL the known Archons has been mages.... There is however a gap in the records, in the time when the Chatnry was accepted in Tevinter untill the schism, where we don't have any soruces naming ANY Archons.
And I addressed that. There are two possible options. Either the title was abolished for those years. Or it was indeed given to non-mages, there jsut havn't been given any sources regarding them to us, the players.
Historically speaking ALL the known Archons has been mages.... There is however a gap in the records, in the time when the Chatnry was accepted in Tevinter untill the schism, where we don't have any soruces naming ANY Archons.
And I addressed that. There are two possible options. Either the title was abolished for those years. Or it was indeed given to non-mages, there jsut havn't been given any sources regarding them to us, the players.
Even during that blank period, I do not see the Magisterium suffering a non mage being their ruler.
Bingo. All the Archons have been mages because it's a freaking magocracy.
Yes, but that wasn't always the case, and doesn't have to be the case in the future. It is out of tradition/custom, not law. The Archon who was elected from the enchanters opened up the way to politics for mages, since Tevinter did follow the rules dictated by the Andrastian/Orlesian Chantry for a time, although there were some mages in the clergy...
Maybe he flipped it and actually barred mundanes from reaching high political offices, but I know of no evidence that states that.
Even during that blank period, I do not see the Magisterium suffering a non mage being their ruler.
The Magisterium was not filled with mages during that time period... officially, anyway, a lot of power is run by houses and it is possible that while a non mage relative held the seat, that relative was being ordered by a mage relative. It was in Storm, which was 7:00-7:99, that then allowed mages to publicly take office.
At least this is what the Codex Entry: The Imperial Chantry implies.
Edit: Which is kind of strange, as in that same entry it said the "Black" Divine was established in Towers, which is 3:00-3:99, who was a male and part of the Circle. So, mages can take leadership positions with religion, but couldn't with politics, officially, until 400 years later... okay...
Edit2: I do wish a dev would help correct some of the things in this thread, I sometimes wonder if I'm wrong in my current understanding of the lore.
pop quiz apprentice:Sits back and continues to write all down all the information. One day one day I shall know all things Tevinter.
1) Even when the Imperium accepted the white chantry. The Wiki mentions the post of Archon was maintained, though mostly as a ceremonial office. Which the 'White Chantry' did not seem to have a problem with, so either the post was elligible to mundanes during that period or the post was Cerenomial enough to skirt by the 'not to rule man' prohibition.
2) According to the Wiki the split happened when the Grand Clerics of the Imperial Chantry, nominated Valhail a male member of the Circle of Magi as the head of the Chantry in the Imperium.
One has to be careful with the wiki, as it has not all been updated with info from WoT and some of it is just interpretation.
Just a friendly reminder to those lurking here. The wiki isn't 100% right at this time.
2: your correct * bites thumb to draw blood* it is the most free school of magic but it comes with a price, your humanity and possibly your life thats why it is frowned up#2 its illegal but practice in part behind closed doors.
#3 i feel like its a trick question however I shall say magic =)
As to question #1 I wanna say a the guys name starts with an H =) i have not studied the Archons yet.
Been focused at the momemt between the horrid Orlesian Chantry And the Imperial Chantry. Still trying to remember names =)
#2 its illegal but practice in part behind closed doors.
#3 i feel like its a trick question however I shall say magic =)
As to question #1 I wanna say a the guys name starts with an H =) i have not studied the Archons yet.
Been focused at the momemt between the horrid Orlesian Chantry And the Imperial Chantry. Still trying to remember names =)
Indeed, that is what truly matters. While the nations are important in this world, and Tevinter most of all with its embracing of the true Chantry, we all know that the nations are nothing in the sight of the Maker, for he only sees the faithful and scorns the wicked.
well said my friend. I think Mrs_Stick has grown quite accustumed to our nation in such rapid timeIndeed, that is what truly matters. While the nations are important in this world, and Tevinter most of all with its embracing of the true Chantry, we all know that the nations are nothing in the sight of the Maker, for he only sees the faithful and scorns the wicked.
Indeed, that is what truly matters. While the nations are important in this world, and Tevinter most of all with its embracing of the true Chantry, we all know that the nations are nothing in the sight of the Maker, for he only sees the faithful and scorns the wicked.
well said my friend. I think Mrs_Stick has grown quite accustumed to our nation in such rapid time
men dont fear swords... they fear monsters. And we are "monsters" to them. I personally rather show them why they fear us but better sway a foe to your belief rather shut their eyes permantly as my master once saidI agree with this. I am just blessed by the maker that I found this place after listening to crazed Templars for a short while.
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