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[raging_monkey]

@Mrs_Stick:  What if it were slavery by coercion? 
Your family doesn't get killed if you choose to serve the Magister?
It IS a choice - regardless of how it is perceived. 
 
@Zarro_Morningstar:  Eleni Zinovia.

Choices are such odd things they are made in vaccums of varying relevance what one would as coercion one would see they right choice such a paradox

[Master Warder Z_]

 

Just like the Chantry needs to come crumbling down

 

The Chantry is the church of the predominate religion of the known world; including Tevinter.

 

Two seperate branches admittedly, but that doesn't change the fact the Chantry isn't going anywhere.

 

Losing a Divine isn't going to hurt them overly, they have had many in their history. too many people believe in the Chantry and Maker, too many support them, they are the only legal body above the surface to be able to buy Lyrium. Their templars striking down the accord was only a short term measure, once the rebellion is done they will return with the mages.

 

Once this mage templar BS is done, i'd honestly be surprised if things didn't more or less return to how they were.

[raging_monkey]

The Chantry is the church of the predominate religion of the known world; including Tevinter.
 
Two seperate branches admittedly, but that doesn't change the fact the Chantry isn't going anywhere.
 
Losing a Divine isn't going to hurt them overly, they have had many in their history. too many people believe in the Chantry and Maker, too many support them, they are the only legal body above the surface to be able to buy Lyrium. Their templars striking down the accord was only a short term measure, once the rebellion is done they will return with the mages.
 
Once this mage templar BS is done, i'd honestly be surprised if things didn't more or less return to how they were.

question what would do if BW defaulted on x mage victory but held on to chantry beliefs but were free. Would slay any that came across you or adapt to lore/story.

* not a attack just curious*

[Zarro-Morningstar]

The Chantry is the church of the predominate religion of the known world; including Tevinter.

 

Two seperate branches admittedly, but that doesn't change the fact the Chantry isn't going anywhere.

 

Losing a Divine isn't going to hurt them overly, they have had many in their history. too many people believe in the Chantry and Maker, too many support them, they are the only legal body above the surface to be able to buy Lyrium. Their templars striking down the accord was only a short term measure, once the rebellion is done they will return with the mages.

 

Once this mage templar BS is done, i'd honestly be surprised if things didn't more or less return to how they were.

I'm all for the Chantry staying around, just not in support of the full destruction of other religions or groups of people. I know in my DA:I if I can make peace between the Templars and Mages then I am going to choose that option, but if that option isn't available...well...I'm going to be stuck between a sword and a fireball.

 

A few people know by now that I am not a full freedom for Mages supporter, but in no way, shape, or form do I support the Templars/Chantry as it is now. So I would truly be torn if there is no peace option in DA:I.

[raging_monkey]

I'm all for the Chantry staying around, just not in support of the full destruction of other religions or groups of people. I know in my DA:I if I can make peace between the Templars and Mages then I am going to choose that option, but if that option isn't available...well...I'm going to be stuck between a sword and a fireball.
 
A few people know by now that I am not a full freedom for Mages supporter, but in no way, shape, or form do I support the Templars/Chantry as it is now. So I would truly be torn if there is no peace option in DA:I.

same the problem is that both sides suck.

Templars: fanatics that force others to take extreme measures to protect everyone(noble but chafing for people)

Magi: its basically a "me me, me" issue while i agree with them it theres a reason they are sent to circles.

But if theres no peace... i know were i stand * walks over to other tevinter supporters* im with them

[Jaronking]

same the problem is that both sides suck.

Templars: fanatics that force others to take extreme measures to protect everyone(noble but chafing for people)

Magi: its basically a "me me, me" issue while i agree with them it theres a reason they are sent to circles.

But if theres no peace... i know were i stand * walks over to other tevinter supporters* im with them

and we would accept you my new brother like any of our brothers and sisters from the south that we are worthy of joining the imperium 

[Zarro-Morningstar]

same the problem is that both sides suck.

Templars: fanatics that force others to take extreme measures to protect everyone(noble but chafing for people)

Magi: its basically a "me me, me" issue while i agree with them it theres a reason they are sent to circles.

But if theres no peace... i know were i stand * walks over to other tevinter supporters* im with them

Both have noble goals or ideals, but they are being executed...well frankly in a horrible manner. So I think I lean more towards the Magi side since genocide seems to be what is looming over their heads, and genocide has already occurred in some places...Kirkwall...*Sigh* I don't know, it really all depends on how everything goes in DA:I.

[Master Warder Z_]

same the problem is that both sides suck.

Templars: fanatics that force others to take extreme measures to protect everyone(noble but chafing for people)

Magi: its basically a "me me, me" issue while i agree with them it theres a reason they are sent to circles.

But if theres no peace... i know were i stand * walks over to other tevinter supporters* im with them

 

Your a foreign Blood Bag to them.

 

Just putting that out there.

[raging_monkey]

and we would accept you my new brother like any of our brothers and sisters from the south that we are worthy of joining the imperium

im first enchanter it would be foolish not to stay and help my brother/sister fight.. and the do with this new freedom is up to them join tevinter or stagnate.

Both have noble goals or ideals, but they are being executed...well frankly in a horrible manner. So I think I lean more towards the Magi side since genocide seems to be what is looming over their heads, and genocide has already occurred in some places...Kirkwall...*Sigh* I don't know, it really all depends on how everything goes in DA:I.

horribly... thats generous lol i say "like ****". But jokes aside. Thats a fair standpoint wait and see we might be suprised

Your a foreign Blood Bag to them.
 
Just putting that out there.

everybody is a blood bag my friend lol... im exotic lol

[Zarro-Morningstar]

im first enchanter it would be foolish not to stay and help my brother/sister fight.. and the do with this new freedom is up to them join tevinter or stagnate.

horribly... thats generous lol i say "like ****". But jokes aside. Thats a fair standpoint wait and see we might be suprised

everybody is a blood bag my friend lol... im exotic lol

Lol, well I thought I would post my thoughts in a more eloquent manner...which is rare when it comes to things like this! Only a few more weeks until we all have DA:I in our hands...so I think we will all have sides by then.

[raging_monkey]

Lol, well I thought I would post my thoughts in a more eloquent manner...which is rare when it comes to things like this! Only a few more weeks until we all have DA:I in our hands...so I think we will all have sides by then.

and hopefully not a da2 rehash of

RabbleMAGE-KILLrabble or templar kill rabble. I want a full list of reasons from both. To the point i say "im confused" cause 3 yrs of MT debates... i think we are owed that much

[Zarro-Morningstar]

and hopefully not a da2 rehash of

RabbleMAGE-KILLrabble or templar kill rabble. I want a full list of reasons from both. To the point i say "im confused" cause 3 yrs of MT debates... i think we are owed that much

I think this little comic shows my view on Mages and Templars perfectly...http://championsandh...ar-heavy-armor/

Spoiler

[raging_monkey]

Seriously he has a large stick with a stone in it... im not a mage- templar logic

[Jaronking]

i have a question for my fellow magisters i am in the market for a new slave which do you would be the better to serve in my new estate   male elf a female elf or a male qunari am not sure what to choice  so many options what do you members of the senate prefer 

[Daerog]

Just want to comment on earlier posts.

 

Let's not try to sugar coat the slavery stuff. Yes, some do sell themselves to help their family, but as Monkey pointed out, slaves can be abused and blasphemous masters use slaves in blood rituals. It's not the case for everyone, but it is a reality, still.

 

Fenris and his sister are examples of slaves, but who are given rare opportunities.

 

Also, slavery is not really a choice when it is that or death (reminds me of the Qun), and Tevinter has enslaved others in warfare (elves, and currently the qunari). As a member of the Chantry, I do not approve of abuse to fellow children of the Maker, but I do realize this is how things are at this time and to remove the custom would be to cause social upheaval and possible civil war, which will not be tolerated as we are at war with the Qunari.

 

The best thing that can be said about slavery in Tevinter is that it is an "equal opportunity" position (some dark humor there), as humans are also slaves. The only possible (and it is only possible since we have no confirmation that I know about) exception are dwarves since none have been confirmed and the history of Tevinter and the dwarves is a very respectful one.

 

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On another note, I think the Imperial Templars should be given more respect and have more power and autonomy.

 

They are currently overseen by the Circle of Magi, and since the Circle of Magi took over all the top positions in Tevinter, it has made it more difficult for Templars to do their duties in some matters.

 

They either need to be run by a group of Soporati that answer to the Archon only or be made into a more religious organization like the southern Templar Order that is overseen by appointed Imperial Grand Clerics. I'm thinking the Soporati who only answer to the Archon as the better option, as it gives non-mages a greater role in society.

 

This is just a thought, not RP'ing or anything here, as of course this would put posters who are RPing as worshippers of the Old Gods into a threatened position.

[Lulupab]

The Chantry is the church of the predominate religion of the known world; including Tevinter.
 
Two seperate branches admittedly, but that doesn't change the fact the Chantry isn't going anywhere.
 
Losing a Divine isn't going to hurt them overly, they have had many in their history. too many people believe in the Chantry and Maker, too many support them, they are the only legal body above the surface to be able to buy Lyrium. Their templars striking down the accord was only a short term measure, once the rebellion is done they will return with the mages.
 
Once this mage templar BS is done, i'd honestly be surprised if things didn't more or less return to how they were.

You're right but this doesn't mean Chantry should meddle in politics. We will make it to be what it was meant to be, a religious organization with almost zero power in politics. The Templars should answer to the state not the chantry and so on...

[Aren]

You raging_monkey are a heretic of great proportions. The only thing you'll get from Tevinter is a giant fireball to the face!

We  need  an exalted marches here....................  For the love of Andraste!!!!!!!

[Uccio]

i have a question for my fellow magisters i am in the market for a new slave which do you would be the better to serve in my new estate   male elf a female elf or a male qunari am not sure what to choice  so many options what do you members of the senate prefer 

 

 

It really just depends on what is going to be the slaves role. Elves provide best servants in my opinion, humans, dwarfs (if you are lucky enough to get one) and oxmen are suited as guards/bodyguards/soldiers. If you are lucky then you can get dwarven smith. As for companions, I myself prefer females of all races. *evil grin*

[Tevinter Soldier]

The Chantry is the church of the predominate religion of the known world; including Tevinter.

 

Two seperate branches admittedly, but that doesn't change the fact the Chantry isn't going anywhere.

 

Losing a Divine isn't going to hurt them overly, they have had many in their history. too many people believe in the Chantry and Maker, too many support them, they are the only legal body above the surface to be able to buy Lyrium. Their templars striking down the accord was only a short term measure, once the rebellion is done they will return with the mages.

 

Once this mage templar BS is done, i'd honestly be surprised if things didn't more or less return to how they were.

 

I can't see bioware writing something so contrived.

 

If the templars win then logic dictates Mages must be blamed for the entire rebellion and thus a much hasher system must be put in place to "protect" the common people as well as some kind of "purge" to show the people the rogue elements had been removed from the templars and the order is once again under the rule of the divine. how else could the chantry prove its power? 

 

If the Magi win the Templars must be blamed for the entire rebellion and thus stripped of their status and replaced with something else. thus the chantry welcomes back the magi and promises reparations, but again purges the extremists for their "crimes" otherwise how else does it prove its power?

 

the worship of the Marker will not change, but for the chantry to retain its position and not be reigned in or become a puppet of the state it needs to prove its powerful. the Orlaisen nobles would jump on the chance and ensure the chantry served their needs. or other states would start having their own chantries pop up seeing the "white" chantry as weak.

 

the idea that everyone kisses and makes up defeats the entire purpose of what the series has been building to, 3 games and how many books? every single one with reference's to the conflict that's now happening. and 2 games and at least one book where the issue is ethier a central or large part of the plot. not to mention all the lore references the struggle for mage rights vs protect the people and of course the events of DA2 and dragon age asunder. 

which saw to a chantry being blown up killing 100's including a revered mother, an attack on the divine the magi openly rebelling and the templars going against the divines orders, going on a killing spree for 2 years with no intention of returning any mages to the circle system. And it all ends with everything going back to more or less normal with only the occasional reference here or there?

 

it sounds like a tv show that was only planned for 5 season's, so had no idea what to do when they go renewed for a 6th. 

[lordsaren101]

The chantry is corrupt and bloated. Tevinter and the rest of Thedas would do well to aabandon it. Me personally, Dumat has shown me golden path. The temple of Dumat is always open, come embrace silence and hear the voice of Dumat the blessed.

[Uccio]

*a messenger comes with a note*

 

Ahaa, it seems my convoy is ready to depart. Since I am going to war I better stop by in both temples, for the Old Gods and the Makes. Just to be sure..

 

I will be seeing this assembly soon I hope.

 

*bows and leaves the assembly room, bodyguards who have been waiting outside follow close by*

[lordsaren101]

Blessings of Dumat be upon you brother. May your conquests bring great honor and victory to you and the empire. Dumat favors the bold!

[raging_monkey]

I can't see bioware writing something so contrived.
 
If the templars win then logic dictates Mages must be blamed for the entire rebellion and thus a much hasher system must be put in place to "protect" the common people as well as some kind of "purge" to show the people the rogue elements had been removed from the templars and the order is once again under the rule of the divine. how else could the chantry prove its power? 
 
If the Magi win the Templars must be blamed for the entire rebellion and thus stripped of their status and replaced with something else. thus the chantry welcomes back the magi and promises reparations, but again purges the extremists for their "crimes" otherwise how else does it prove its power?
 
the worship of the Marker will not change, but for the chantry to retain its position and not be reigned in or become a puppet of the state it needs to prove its powerful. the Orlaisen nobles would jump on the chance and ensure the chantry served their needs. or other states would start having their own chantries pop up seeing the "white" chantry as weak.
 
the idea that everyone kisses and makes up defeats the entire purpose of what the series has been building to, 3 games and how many books? every single one with reference's to the conflict that's now happening. and 2 games and at least one book where the issue is ethier a central or large part of the plot. not to mention all the lore references the struggle for mage rights vs protect the people and of course the events of DA2 and dragon age asunder. 
which saw to a chantry being blown up killing 100's including a revered mother, an attack on the divine the magi openly rebelling and the templars going against the divines orders, going on a killing spree for 2 years with no intention of returning any mages to the circle system. And it all ends with everything going back to more or less normal with only the occasional reference here or there?
 
it sounds like a tv show that was only planned for 5 season's, so had no idea what to do when they go renewed for a 6th.

totally agree. Didnt gaider say he hated peace in ME3

[Sports72Xtrm]

The chantry is corrupt and bloated. Tevinter and the rest of Thedas would do well to aabandon it. Me personally, Dumat has shown me golden path. The temple of Dumat is always open, come embrace silence and hear the voice of Dumat the blessed.

 

Stop trying to make Dumat happen. It's not going to happen.

[raging_monkey]

Stop trying to make Dumat happen. It's not going to happen.

hes free to believe