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[Jedi Master of Orion]

In terms of who is stronger now, I'd have to say it's probably Orlais. The last time The Imperium was able to muster any attempt to at it's old conquering ways was way back in the aftermath of the Third Blight when Orlais and Tevinter opted to divide up Nevarra between them.

[pengwin21]

Pfft.

You can think that.

Gaspard doesn't fear them as a "predator" you figure the leader of Orlesian armies would know if Tevinter magically could match the strongest nation in White Thedas.

 

Well part of this is that Orlais and Tevinter don't even share a border really- Nevarra's in the middle.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Too bad that it seems Dorian has traiterous thoughts and motivations. 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=fQy-pJDVCSM (Replace Britannia with Tevinter!)

Don't you dare slander Britannia by saying Tevinter is like it. The Tevinter Imperium is an utter failure compared to the Holy Britannian Empire. 

[RobRam10]

In terms of who is stronger now, I'd have to say it's probably Orlais. The last time The Imperium was able to muster any attempt to at it's old conquering ways was way back in the aftermath of the Third Blight when Orlais and Tevinter opted to divide up Nevarra between them.

With the civil war and the breach Orlais will definitely loose some of its power.

[Loyal Tevinter]

For all who are interested, I started up a Tevinter fan group.

[RobRam10]

Joyous will be the day that the White Chantry falls and glory when the Imperial Chantry rules the spirit of the people.

[Tevinter Rose]

[source]

 

Old God Urthemiel before the corruption.

[The Ascendant]

[source]

 

Old God Urthemiel before the corruption.

Also, the son of Morrigan and Saruman Amell, his dragon form. Brings a tear to my eye.

[Tevinter Soldier]

HAH!  Keep that in your dreams bud.  Thats the ONLY place thats gonna happen.  The arrogance of humans is staggering.....they really think they are above all and can do whatever they want.  You think because elves are spineless and live under humans all races will.  I can't wait till all of Tevinter gets blown to bits and theres nothing left but Qunari sifting through the rubble.

 

You know what I'm going to do on every single Tevinter corpse I pass?

 

Check out Tevinter Rose's posts in the Qunari support thread for her Arishok gif.  ON ALL YOUR CORPSES.

 

Venhedis! you still don't get it. 

Race matter not, only skill and strength.

 

Elve's, Qunari, Human. it matter's not. Mundanes follow, Magi lead.

 

I feel sorry for you mundane, Thinking your pathetic horns and Gatlock mean anything.

 

It comes down to a simple truth, Enough time and dedication anyone can wield a sword, it is no more a blessing than riding a horse.

but no mundane will ever cast a spell, no matter the training, dedication, time.

they are inferior.

 

Why do you even oppose us Qunari?

followers of the Qun want to know there place, accept it, their position, unthinking, unquestioning, certainty.

Tevinter offers all of this!

 

you think Loyal Citizens of tevinter do not serve in our armed forces? of course they do!

Give up your heretically way's embrace the marker! pledge your loyalty to tevinter.

You can fight on the front lines slaying all those that oppose tevinter.

 

and the best part your master will provide you with all the answers and boundaries you require.

 

Truly a Mundane Qunaris dream is tevinter, we will rid you of your bigotry of other races, allay your fears about magic. 

we will educate you and show you that tevinter is kind fair and welcoming of all people.

You will learn to behave like a civilised person and learn your place.

Even if tradition teachings fail, you have a more intense training method involving the lash and rod.

or those truly having difficulties we will simply erase your memory and impart our teachings and acknowledge fresh.

and if all that fails we still have a role allowing you to give yourself fully to the Glory of Tevinter, Many Magisters desire such people to "assist" in their research.

 

No labour camps or re-education centres, no uncertainty, or being considered and outcast. Pledging fealty to Tevinter Guarantees your safety and security, you will be fed and housed all at the cost of your master.

 

Tevinter does not seek to conquer, Tevinter Liberates and places those that are born by the markers divine will to lead in charge! think about it! who knows better some mundane born in par vollen or the maker himself?

 

why bow before some person appointed by another person? who allowed them to have such a role over you? the Imperial chantry shows us that Magi are meant to rule are born to rule! it is only through a magocracy that all beings will enter the loving embrace of the marker. true peace and happiness for all.

 

Under the loving guidance of humble and kind Magisters.   

[Tevinter Soldier]

All fair points, but the Qunari seem very inventive and if they found a way to block access to their dwarven allies, the city would be doomed. Even the most fortified cities and castles have historically fallen to prolonged sieges, betrayal and internal strife.

 

You have seen what a single Gollum can do yes?

Minrathous has 3 gigantic Gollums that guard it. ships come into the bay the Gollums every movements through the water my very well stir up enough swell to break the ships before crushing them.

 

your also talking about a Culture that has already wiped out the capital city of an entire race and scattered them to the 4 winds, a culture to whom knowledge and research knows no bounds.  You act as if Tevinter itself is incapable of making inroads in areas of long range combat.

 

This is the biggest issue with people that support Qunari in conflicts its always "the qunari are inventive" as if they are the only race in all of thedas that is?

Tevinter has stood for 2000 years and defeated all enemies that came its way INCLUDING THE QUNARI!

 

and Tevinter did so before the useless South joined the conflict. there entire headway was catching Tevinter off guard, once the Armies were assembled and fought back Tevinter in fact when you look at it, Par Vollen was only ever "loosely" controlled by Tevinter and the Qunari were Entrenched before any counter attack could be mounted.

 

Yet, from 6:32 steel Qunari fought for control of all of tevinter, It took them to 8:58* Blessed (and only after the South abandoned the war which Tvinter had played a strong hand liberating several southern lands from the Qunari threat)  just to wrest lasting control of Seheron from tevinter. Thats 226 years to take lasting control over one island.

 

and if you look at it from when the south abandoned Tevinter it took 74 years 

 

forget the propaganda about the invisible ox-men that is ****** Dismal.

 

*they landed in 8:55 blessed but it took another 3 years to take control over Seheron and all their efforts to take Tevinter mainland failed.

 

While the South did not fare well against the Qunari the Qun has launched two great offensives against tevinter and yet Tevinter Prevails.

 

the narration makes the Bronze Giants sound nigh invincible but look at the timeline and the attacks. Tivinter had liberated all but Seheron from the Qunari Filth before the South even got involved.

 

in fact the Qunari once had seized almost all of tevinter except Minrathous itself, Yet not only did the city not fall it pushed back along with rebellions right across Tevinter and pushed the horned dogs into the sea.

 

and still today although the Qunari hold "control" over Seheron they fight a rebellion both from the local population (the most fearsome have been at it so long they have developed a name for themselves, dubbed the fog warriors) The tal-vashoth (the Iron Bull fought for years, yet they remain) and incursions by Tevinter Magisters (fenris's master)

 

Tevinter is not so easily conquered. 

[raging_monkey]

You have seen what a single Gollum can do yes?
Minrathous has 3 gigantic Gollums that guard it. ships come into the bay the Gollums every movements through the water my very well stir up enough swell to break the ships before crushing them.
 
your also talking about a Culture that has already wiped out the capital city of an entire race and scattered them to the 4 winds, a culture to whom knowledge and research knows no bounds.  You act as if Tevinter itself is incapable of making inroads in areas of long range combat.
 
This is the biggest issue with people that support Qunari in conflicts its always "the qunari are inventive" as if they are the only race in all of thedas that is?
Tevinter has stood for 2000 years and defeated all enemies that came its way INCLUDING THE QUNARI!
 
and Tevinter did so before the useless South joined the conflict. there entire headway was catching Tevinter off guard, once the Armies were assembled and fought back Tevinter in fact when you look at it, Par Vollen was only ever "loosely" controlled by Tevinter and the Qunari were Entrenched before any counter attack could be mounted.
 
Yet, from 6:32 steel Qunari fought for control of all of tevinter, It took them to 8:58* Blessed (and only after the South abandoned the war which Tvinter had played a strong hand liberating several southern lands from the Qunari threat)  just to wrest lasting control of Seheron from tevinter. Thats 226 years to take lasting control over one island.
 
and if you look at it from when the south abandoned Tevinter it took 74 years 
 
forget the propaganda about the invisible ox-men that is ****** Dismal.
 
*they landed in 8:55 blessed but it took another 3 years to take control over Seheron and all their efforts to take Tevinter mainland failed.
 
While the South did not fare well against the Qunari the Qun has launched two great offensives against tevinter and yet Tevinter Prevails.
 
the narration makes the Bronze Giants sound nigh invincible but look at the timeline and the attacks. Tivinter had liberated all but Seheron from the Qunari Filth before the South even got involved.
 
in fact the Qunari once had seized almost all of tevinter except Minrathous itself, Yet not only did the city not fall it pushed back along with rebellions right across Tevinter and pushed the horned dogs into the sea.
 
and still today although the Qunari hold "control" over Seheron they fight a rebellion both from the local population (the most fearsome have been at it so long they have developed a name for themselves, dubbed the fog warriors) The tal-vashoth (the Iron Bull fought for years, yet they remain) and incursions by Tevinter Magisters (fenris's master)
 
Tevinter is not so easily conquered.

somewhat agree

And kudos on the puns

Gollum(lotr) and golems well played

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Par Vollen was unexplored when the Qunari landed there. When they crushed Tevinter within single decade and ruled Tevinter and Seheron for 50 years (or more in some cases).The Qunari were already fighting southern Chantry nations by the time the Imperial rebellion freed itself. Personally, I doubt they could have done so if the Qunari weren't also divided fighting a counterattack on their front lines. It was only through the combined forces of both Divines that the Qunari were pushed. Seheron wasn't freed from Qunari until the Llomerryn Accord. The codexes indicate that the Qunari retreated from the Imperium as well after signing the treaty. They didn't return until they reconquered Seheron. The Qunari rule of Seheron isn't unchallenged, but they do control most of it and the Tevinter's attempts to retake it have failed. At the moment neither side has made further in roads but in the long term, the Imperium is losing the war.

[Daerog]

The Qunari occupied Tevinter, they never ruled it, the capital and the Tevinter government remained intact.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No Minrathous never fell but they ruled every other major city for at 50 years. That's what I meant.

[RobRam10]

This is beautiful!

[raging_monkey]

This is beautiful!

this is why magi are feared... wouldnt mind that much power thought* slowly moves over to tevinter ideology*

[RobRam10]

this is why magi are feared... wouldnt mind that much power thought* slowly moves over to tevinter ideology*

Why do you resist raging_monkey? Embrace your dark nature, embrace Tevinter.

[raging_monkey]

Why do you resist raging_monkey? Embrace your dark nature, embrace Tevinter.

*gives into rage* I am a...mage that believes in equality... but to bring equality to both mundanes and magi, i will join tevinter and embrace my dark side

[Jedi Master of Orion]

*gives into rage* I am a...mage that believes in equality...

 

i will join tevinter and embrace my dark side

 

I... don't think you're doing it right.

[Daerog]

Or just embrace Tevinter. Tevinter has a dark reputation, but not all Tevinters embrace their "dark nature," there are good magisters and such.

 

Also, be careful with blood magic:

 

Responsible Blood Magic

Let me correct you, apprentice. While it is true that blood magic is woven through the history of Tevinter, there are good reasons, quite aside from the Chantry's sermons, that such arts are now frowned upon. Consider the ancient magisters who once attempted to map the Fade itself. A worthy goal, perhaps, but a costly one. When their spells exhausted their lyrium supply, the magisters spilled the blood of countless slaves. To what end? The shifting nature of the Fade made the effort futile, and so much death left the magisters open to possession by demons. Wasteful!

 

Some still idolize Tirena of the Rock, who used blood magic against the Qunari during the Steel Age. They say she cut her flesh on the shore of Marnas Pell as the dreadnoughts sailed in, turned her spells against their crews, and boiled the very blood in their veins. A terrifying display, to be sure, but against Qunari? It only made them more determined when they besieged the ports of Carastes.

 

And what of Magister Calanthus, that fool who believed he could make himself the "Ascended Man" with blood magic? Thirty-three slaves died in that rite, and Calanthus became an abomination so horrific that his apprentices tore out their eyes at the sight of him.

 

You quote the example of the lovers Crescens and Seraphinian. Yes, Seraphinian offered his own blood to cure Crescens of her wasting disease, and Crescens lived a long life. But if the noblest use of blood magic still calls for the death of a good man, is that not enough reason to reconsider?

 

-Letter from Magister Aesthia to her apprentice, 7:71 Storm (WoT, p. 109)

[raging_monkey]

I... don't think you're doing it right.

ah but if i go full dark i lose some so of my goals. Ill eventually go full dark but its a adjustment

[Tevinter Soldier]

Par Vollen was unexplored when the Qunari landed there. When they crushed Tevinter within single decade and ruled Tevinter and Seheron for 50 years (or more in some cases).The Qunari were already fighting southern Chantry nations by the time the Imperial rebellion freed itself. Personally, I doubt they could have done so if the Qunari weren't also divided fighting a counterattack on their front lines. It was only through the combined forces of both Divines that the Qunari were pushed. Seheron wasn't freed from Qunari until the Llomerryn Accord. The codexes indicate that the Qunari retreated from the Imperium as well after signing the treaty. They didn't return until they reconquered Seheron. The Qunari rule of Seheron isn't unchallenged, but they do control most of it and the Tevinter's attempts to retake it have failed. At the moment neither side has made further in roads but in the long term, the Imperium is losing the war.

 

wrong Tevinter had pushed the Qunari back by 6:85 steel

by 7:23 Storm Qunari hold only Seheron and Rivaini

 

the South finally launches its first Exalted March in in 7:25 Storm 2 years after the Imperium had liberated itself.

[Tevinter Soldier]

*gives into rage* I am a...mage that believes in equality... but to bring equality to both mundanes and magi, i will join tevinter and embrace my dark side

 

there is no dark path, there is only knowledge.

 

the Mundanes cannot be trusted with Equality. look at what they do with it every time.

Murder, Rape, Mutilation, Torture.

 

They attempt to force mage's to bend to their will do their bidding.

 

Listen to the proper interpretation of the chantry, not the propaganda in the south that allows their chantry to leash mages

"magic must serve the greater good"

 

why would you trust someone who cannot even begin to understand how to heal a broken bone to decide what is and isn't in the name of the greater good? 

[raging_monkey]

there is no dark path, there is only knowledge.
 
the Mundanes cannot be trusted with Equality. look at what they do with it every time.
Murder, Rape, Mutilation, Torture.
 
They attempt to force mage's to bend to their will do their bidding.
 
Listen to the proper interpretation of the chantry, not the propaganda in the south that allows their chantry to leash mages
"magic must serve the greater good"
 
why would you trust someone who cannot even begin to understand how to heal a broken bone to decide what is and isn't in the name of the greater good?

perhaps... but i refuse having slaves... deal?* extends hand in friendship*