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[john-in-france]

It says you've been living in the lap of luxury until the game starts. It says you went to help your family, not that you went with the Chantry. It flat out says you're the youngest member of the House. Headcanon is one thing, but blatantly ignoring what's right in front of you is another. 

No it doesn't.

 

You grew up in the lap of luxury.

Yes, you went to help your relatives...at the Chantry conclave.

You can be the youngest member of the family at any age. Big brother/sister is married with no heirs, middle brother/sister is in the Circle, and you are the youngest...

 

I'm not ignoring what is in front of me, just reading it differently to you.

 

I am however quite happy to admit that we can both be right. Depending on our own interpretation. 

Anyway I've explained my take so that's the end of it.

[john-in-france]

theres bit of elitism regarding it.
Original concepts for chatacters(favored)
Loose interpetations of backgrounds(tolerated)
Self-inserts( lack of imagination and is such generally looked down on)~i fall into this category

Going by this heirarchy theres a clear level of acceptance on how to "correctly" play from what ive seen here on the bsn imo

Perhaps in some circles.

 

I grew up playing tabletop RPGs, so I RPG a game that is supposedly an RPG, but I accept that is my personal choice. What you do is up to you. Just enjoy DAI.

[raging_monkey]

Perhaps in some circles.
 
I grew up playing tabletop RPGs, so I RPG a game that is supposedly an RPG, but I accept that is my personal choice. What you do is up to you. Just enjoy DAI.

even in tabletops i insert. I fault no one one how to RP just that they do it respectfully. In short i agree with you

[Br3admax]

Ugh, I shouldn't even have to do this, but I guess it's needed. 

No it doesn't.

 

You grew up in the lap of luxury.

It also says you enjoy a life of privilege. Being a Templar is not a life of privilege. Yes, the Trevelyans are a noble family, but as long as they are Templars, that doesn't matter. They live within the confines of the Chantry.  There are certain vows that Templars must take, but even then they have not been a part of the Chantry for years by the time DA:I starts, so none of what you're suggesting makes sense given the reason the Human Inquisitor is there.  

Yes, you went to help your relatives...at the Chantry conclave.

That means you're there to assist your relatives because they are a part of the Chantry, not that you are assisting the Chantry along with your relatives. But as I said above, if you were a Templar, you wouldn't be there to help the Chantry either way. 

 

You can be the youngest member of the family at any age. Big brother/sister is married with no heirs, middle brother/sister is in the Circle, and you are the youngest...

You're trying to act like the Inquisitor has somehow can be any age they want and already an inducted member of the Templar Order, when that simply isn't possible. It also doesn't fit with the backstory. 

 

I'm not ignoring what is in front of me, just reading it differently to you.

 

I am however quite happy to admit that we can both be right. Depending on our own interpretation. 

Anyway I've explained my take so that's the end of it.

 

No, we can't "both be right," the backstory is given so that the Inquisitor has no strict obligations to either side besides the ones they set themselves. That is why they are still young and not a part of either organizations at the beginning, the Mage Trevelyan aside since that is a group that one must join from early childhood.  

[PrinceLionheart]

Ugh, I shouldn't even have to do this, but I guess it's needed. 

It also says you enjoy a life of privilege. Being a Templar is not a life of privilege. Yes, the Trevelyans are a noble family, but as long as they are Templars, that doesn't matter. They live within the confines of the Chantry.  There are certain vows that Templars must take, but even then they have not been a part of the Chantry for years by the time DA:I starts, so none of what you're suggesting makes sense given the reason the Human Inquisitor is there.  

That means you're there to assist your relatives because they are a part of the Chantry, not that you are assisting the Chantry along with your relatives. But as I said above, if you were a Templar, you wouldn't be there to help the Chantry either way. 

You're trying to act like the Inquisitor has somehow can be any age they want and already an inducted member of the Templar Order, when that simply isn't possible. It also doesn't fit with the backstory. 

No, we can't "both be right," the backstory is given so that the Inquisitor has no strict obligations to either side besides the ones they set themselves. That is why they are still young and not a part of either organizations at the beginning, the Mage Trevelyan aside since that is a group that one must join from early childhood.  

 

At most, I get the feeling that a Human Rogue/Warrior may have started their training like Alistair, but never actually joined the order.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Most of those were pride abominations and the rest were forced into tortured people. No lore says that a mage can't fight a lesser demon. 

Neither can most mages. What's your point? 

Oh they can can fight any demon but if you want as i said you want give demons power up send them mages because as we know mages as far shown they are great when it comes fight with demons except that they aren't and end possessed and no most of them weren't pride demons there was only 1 pride demon others were various types of demons what pretty much won't be hard to find now .

 

Yes they can as every mage can become an abomnation and they don't need become one to do that we don't need search far away just look like our dear mages destroy veil .  

[Br3admax]

Oh they can can fight any demon but if you want as i said you want give demons power up send them mages because as we know mages as far shown they are great when it comes fight with demons except that they aren't and end possessed and no most of them weren't pride demons there was only 1 pride demon others were various types of demons what pretty much won't be hard to find now . 

Uh, no. They're called pride abominations and most of them have detailings of how prideful they were. There were a few hunger abominations, but those were made from tortured mages. You have nothing backing up your claim except your own opinion, as always. 

 

 

Yes they can as every mage can become an abomnation and they don't need become one to do that we don't need search far away just look like our dear mages destroy veil . 

It take a very exceptional mage to tear the Veil or summon an army of demons to posses corpses. You're really grasping at straws if you think otherwise. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It take a very exceptional mage to tear the Veil or summon an army of demons to posses corpses. You're really grasping at straws if you think otherwise. 

While I deeply hate myself for helping TKS argue his points, I believe he's referring to what an abomination can do. Connor, for instance, was stated to be very weak on his own merits due to his young age, and yet he managed to use his summons to nearly solo Redcliffe. (Or to actually solo Redcliffe, if the player is capable of deeper evil than I managed to do even as my most utterly vile Warden.)

[SgtSteel91]

Since I'm going to be the warrior getting up close and personal with all the demons I want the dudes who can throw fireballs and lightning at a distance supporting me.

[Br3admax]

While I deeply hate myself for helping TKS argue his points, I believe he's referring to what an abomination can do. Connor, for instance, was stated to be very weak on his own merits due to his young age, and yet he managed to use his summons to nearly solo Redcliffe. (Or to actually solo Redcliffe, if the player is capable of deeper evil than I managed to do even as my most utterly vile Warden.)

He said mages could summon a demon army and start Blights, but mages have never done that without being the most powerful of their kind and with the aid of loads of lyrium and blood. They've never done it of their own merits. And that wasn't a lesser demon, so he's point still wrong either way. 

[In Exile]

You can easily justify the need to be a templar as concerns their skills - because mages and other fade creatures might be best countered by their skills - without adopting their fascist tendencies or views.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Uh, no. They're called pride abominations and most of them have detailings of how prideful they were. There were a few hunger abominations, but those were made from tortured mages. You have nothing backing up your claim except your own opinion, as always. 

It take a very exceptional mage to tear the Veil or summon an army of demons to posses corpses. You're really grasping at straws if you think otherwise. 

Ok so for you circle quest

1 battle

1 desire abomnation

1 hunger abomnation

1 rage abomination

 

2 battle

2 desire abomnations

1 hunger abomnation

1 rage abomnation

1 lesser rage demon

 

3 battle

still nor pride demon/abomnation pretty much same as above

 

<skips blood mages battle>

 

4 battle

2 rage abomnations

 

5 battle

1 abomnation we don't know what type

 

another battle

5 not known abomnations

and lesser rage demon

 

another battle (i don't count possessed/charmed templars)

desire demon

 

another battle

abomnation not known type

 

another battle

desire demon

 

well not rly battle but an abomnation in that case sloth abomnation 

 

another battle

2 sloth abomnations

1 desire abomnations

1 hunger abomnation 

1 rage abomnation

 

another battle

greater rage demon

some shades

 

and last battle with uldred not known abomnations save for 1 pride abomnation uldred.

 

Well have but well i guess it is better pull TKS is always wrong card and never provide nothing more than own opinion.

 

And about later part of post

Not rly mage can destroy veil by simple using magic for example avernus ,baroness ,qunari mage or simple current mages about second part not rly connor was just a child and yet he did that uldred did that as well.

 

 

He said mages could summon a demon army and start Blights, but mages have never done that without being the most powerful of their kind and with the aid of loads of lyrium and blood. They've never done it of their own merits. And that wasn't a lesser demon, so he's point still wrong either way. 

Read what i have wrote before

"Yes they can as every mage can become an abomnation and they don't need become one to do that we don't need search far away just look like our dear mages destroy veil" 

So yes every mage can do that by simple fact they can become abomnations and yes mages can tore veil without becoming abomntion same for creating huge disaster they proved that in main game.

 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And that wasn't a lesser demon, so he's point still wrong either way. 

Fair point.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Fair point.

To be honest not rly taking into account that he took part "lesser demon" from first part of discussion that was about something different and you were refering to second part of discussion as every mage can be possessed by "lesser demon" or those stronger demons so well by any demon as you said connor was child mage so all it took to bring down entire castle was brat and desire demon.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

To be honest not rly taking into account that he took part "lesser demon" from first part of discussion that was about something different and you were refering to second part of discussion as every mage can be possessed by "lesser demon" or those stronger demons so well by any demon as you said connor was child mage so all it took to bring down entire castle was brat and desire demon.

My mistake. What was the second bit about, again?

[TheKomandorShepard]

My mistake. What was the second bit about, again?

Well i would have to start from the beginning to explain it all but in short it was about what mages can do (why and how dangerous they are) then i pointed what they can do and what they did he disagreed on that what they can do and said that only exceptional mages can do that on what i said that every mage can do that by simple fact that every mage can become an abomnation there was also part that every mage can tore veil but i guess that part doesn't matter here.

[Br3admax]

Ok so for you circle quest

1 battle

1 desire abomnation

1 hunger abomnation

1 rage abomination

 

2 battle

2 desire abomnations

1 hunger abomnation

1 rage abomnation

1 lesser rage demon

 

3 battle

still nor pride demon/abomnation pretty much same as above

 

<skips blood mages battle>

 

4 battle

2 rage abomnations

 

5 battle

1 abomnation we don't know what type

 

another battle

5 not known abomnations

and lesser rage demon

 

another battle (i don't count possessed/charmed templars)

desire demon

 

another battle

abomnation not known type

 

another battle

desire demon

 

well not rly battle but an abomnation in that case sloth abomnation 

 

another battle

2 sloth abomnations

1 desire abomnations

1 hunger abomnation 

1 rage abomnation

 

another battle

greater rage demon

some shades

 

and last battle with uldred not known abomnations save for 1 pride abomnation uldred.

 

Not only are you ignoring the notes the enemies drop talking about their pride, these so called unknown abominations which make up a large fraction of the abominations faced, you're also ignoring the fact that almost all the rest are also of greater demons. Desire, Sloth, and even hunger are all powerful demons, and the number of desire demons alone is proof enough that the Circle was filled with some of the most powerful demons known to Thedas. 

 

Read what i have wrote before

"Yes they can as every mage can become an abomnation and they don't need become one to do that we don't need search far away just look like our dear mages destroy veil" 

So yes every mage can do that by simple fact they can become abomnations 

That's great. Too bad your first post spoke of them summoning undead/demon armies, not becoming abominations. 

 

and yes mages can tore veil without becoming abomntion same for creating huge disaster they proved that in main game.

Source? Most mages aren't all powerful forces of Arcane power, and the "huge disaster of the main game" isn't even explained. Good job claiming that somehow a mage of their own power was able to tear the Veil open even though that's never been possible anywhere in Theodosian history, where the Blight took 2/3 of all lyrium in the Empire, scores of slaves, and the powers of multiple magisters. Not one mage. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not only are you ignoring the notes the enemies drop talking about their pride, these so called unknown abominations which make up a large fraction of the abominations faced, you're also ignoring the fact that almost all the rest are also of greater demons. Desire, Sloth, and even hunger are all powerful demons, and the number of desire demons alone is proof enough that the Circle was filled with some of the most powerful demons known to Thedas. 

That's great. Too bad your first post spoke of them summoning undead/demon armies, not becoming abominations. 

Source? Most mages aren't all powerful forces of Arcane power, and the "huge disaster of the main game" isn't even explained. Good job claiming that somehow a mage of their own power was able to tear the Veil open even though that's never been possible anywhere in Theodosian history, where the Blight took 2/3 of all lyrium in the Empire, scores of slaves, and the powers of multiple magisters. Not one mage. 

1.Haha so what dude?You were talking about pride demons not "greater demons" trying change point of what you said from pride demons to greater demons pretty much their intensity says while they may be more powerful they aren't rly rare what in fact kills your entire point sending mages against them.

 

2.Not army of demons well they can do that too and technicaly that is in case im speaking about but undead army... and what abomnations can do? Can every mage turn into abomnation? here you go.

Avernus and qunari mage and source of that well dao and dragon age redemption as well simple by fact mage do can do that by simple using magic as asunder show us.That was used to get to black city not just tear veil what avernus just could do using blood magic...

 

 

[TTTX]

2.Not army of demons well they can do that too and technicaly that is in case im speaking about but undead army... and what abomnations can do? Can every mage turn into abomnation? here you go.

Avernus and qunari mage and source of that well dao and dragon age redemption as well simple by fact mage do can do that by simple using magic as asunder show us.That was used to get to black city not just tear veil what avernus just could do using blood magic... 

The Qunari mage tried to use a one of kind magical mask (as far as we know there is only one of these masks) to shatter the veil with his magic, without the mask, his own magic wouldn't be able to do the job and he was extremely lucky to find the mask, he simply just happened to be in the same prison as the dalish keeper was being held if I remember correctly.

 

So Qunari mage is a pretty poor example.

[raging_monkey]

The Qunari mage tried to use a one of kind magical mask (as far as we know there is only one of these masks) to shatter the veil with his magic, without the mask, his own magic wouldn't be able to do the job and he was extremely lucky to find the mask, he simply just happened to be in the same prison as the dalish keeper was being held if I remember correctly.
 
So Qunari mage is a pretty poor example.

argeed

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Qunari mage tried to use a one of kind magical mask (as far as we know there is only one of these masks) to shatter the veil with his magic, without the mask, his own magic wouldn't be able to do the job and he was extremely lucky to find the mask, he simply just happened to be in the same prison as the dalish keeper was being held if I remember correctly.

 

So Qunari mage is a pretty poor example.

It is very good example he found "very rare" magical artefact that he found with with almost no effort of course (yes he was extremly lucky he found it in dalish camp...) good luck with counting on luck that another mage won't be "extremely lucky" and won't find another artefact to cause disaster (possible even it is in case now) not mention that another guy (mage of course how that would be any differently) not so far from those events found way to brainwash entire humanity to be slaves.

[TheEternalStudent]

It is very good example he found "very rare" magical artefact that he found with with almost no effort of course (yes he was extremly lucky he found it in dalish camp...) good luck with counting on luck that another mage won't be "extremely lucky" and won't find another artefact to cause disaster (possible even it is in case now) not mention that another guy (mage of course how that would be any differently) not so far from those events found way to brainwash entire humanity to be slaves.

Why assume it was luck? He wne t almost directly toward the Dalish camp hat had an artifact whose power he knew how to unlock and made sure to bring the necesary sacrifice by chance? It seems more likely the opnly role luck played was in his gaining freedom close enough to the camp that he could reach it before it moved on.

[TTTX]

It is very good example he found "very rare" magical artefact that he found with with almost no effort of course (yes he was extremly lucky he found it in dalish camp...) good luck with counting on luck that another mage won't be "extremely lucky" and won't find another artefact to cause disaster (possible even it is in case now) not mention that another guy (mage of course how that would be any differently) not so far from those events found way to brainwash entire humanity to be slaves.

I count the chances of that happening around the same of nuclear war happening or a super volcano exploding in my life time, in other words very unlikely.

[TTTX]

Why assume it was luck? He wne t almost directly toward the Dalish camp hat had an artifact whose power he knew how to unlock and made sure to bring the necesary sacrifice by chance? It seems more likely the opnly role luck played was in his gaining freedom close enough to the camp that he could reach it before it moved on.

He probably got all he needed from the Dalish Keeper who was apparently held at the same location as he was. It was pure and utter luck.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why assume it was luck? He wne t almost directly toward the Dalish camp hat had an artifact whose power he knew how to unlock and made sure to bring the necesary sacrifice by chance? It seems more likely the opnly role luck played was in his gaining freedom close enough to the camp that he could reach it before it moved on.Bec

Dalish keeper told him about it so it was about being "in right time in right place" what pretty much happens all time in real life well in fiction even more often.

 

 

I count the chances of that happening around the same of nuclear war happening or a super volcano exploding in my life time, in other words very unlikely.

What chances are that 1 mage will find way to brainwash entire humanity , another will find mask to destroy entire humanity , and another will find way to do the same in pretty much in same 10 year peroid of time?Well it seems pretty much chances aren't so small if that happened at least 3 times during 10 years... so pretty much there is plenty ways for mages to screw over human kind.