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Plot holes:why developers in the ending of DA2 they use the state of disappeared for warden and now confirm the not appearence in the game?


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Navoletti

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i not understood why bioware start a expectation with the ending of da2 and the missing state of warden and hawke....they only bring back hawke but not the warden....

 

 

what is your plan with the hero of ferelden/orlesian warden?you have a idea and now decide change the opinión or what?

 

 

much people since the ending of da2 have expectation.

 

why generate false expectations?

 

bioware decide change the state of warden alive for disappeared well now my question is he continue alive or he is death?is very simple respond this for bioware?

 

have a plan for wardens commander(hero or orlesian warden)for future games?please confirm this and stop of generate expectations in the fans of wardens.



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It's been stated elsewhere, but I'll just say it again:

 

All we've said is that you won't see your DAO Warden appear in-game.

 

That does not mean he/she is not mentioned. It does not mean he/she is not in any way involved in the story, or that you won't find out what happened to him/her with regards to the "disappearance". It also doesn't mean that any of these things definitely will happen either, of course, but to assume the lack because it's not stated outright doesn't really follow. We're not going to re-assure you further, other than to let you play the game and find out for yourselves.

 

If the suggestion is that saying the DAO Warden went missing at the end of DA2 meant implying they would play a larger role in the sequel, however, as in that they would appear in person...sorry if someone finds that disappointing, but as cool as that might (potentially) have been, I don't think that follows either.

 

We collect a lot of information on the choices in previous games to let you build a consistent world state, and those choices will play into DAI in various ways. That's all I'll really say on the topic.


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David Gaider

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thanks for respond David gaider,well much people wait for warden after of hawke is confirmed in the tráiler and bioware never say nothing.

 

why wait much time for say "warden not appear in DAI only is mentioned?developers have the idea of a cameo of him and cancel the decisión for  technical problems?

 

have a plan for future games(protagonist or npc) or the fate of him finish in this game?

 

We haven't said anything about deciding to put the DAO Warden in the game and then removing him/her... where are you getting this, exactly?

 

As for why we didn't say so right away--probably because we don't make a habit of revealing all story elements ahead of time, nor answering every story-related question just because people think to ask them. Those questions will, after all, be answered once you play the game.


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David Gaider

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That's only if you take exactly what was said, word for word, as cannon. The question of which narrator to trust, Teddy or Leonard makes it very ambiguous. 

 

You seem to have a very specific of definition, whereas many people consider ambiguous endings and cliffhangers to be equal. 

 

Many people are wrong.

 

Cliffhangers are when the central conflict of the story has not been resolved, and where the viewer is left "hanging" in anticipation as to what's going to happen next--usually because the story (or the current chapter) ended in dramatic suspense.

 

I'm aware there's been a widespread blurring of dramatic terms, mainly from their misuse, but broadening "cliffhanger" to mean "any ending where the every plot thread is not neatly wrapped up or explained" blurs it so as to make it apply to almost anything.


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David Gaider

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Then when it was confirmed that it wasn't the Warden and we found out we could import the Warden's appearance into the Keep <snip>

 

Just to chime in that it's never been said you can import the Warden's appearance into the Keep.

 

Mike Laidlaw said that, if a previous PC was going to appear in-game, we'd ensure you'll be able to customize their appearance.

 

We do, however, allow you to set a great deal of information regarding the Warden's choices and status in DAO in the Keep.


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David Gaider

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I don't think it necessarily has to be the central conflict that remains unresolved. It could also be new problem that pops up right before the end, which is what the mysterious disappearances are.

 

A new problem that pops up right before the end is, at best, "sequel bait". It's a new story. If the conflict of the current story has been resolved, it is not a cliffhanger. Not knowing the answer to every existing question does not make it one.


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David Gaider

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In a sense it's Cassandra's story that has the cliffhanger, not Hawke's. She's been in the "sequel bait" time-frame for the whole game.

 

Okay, let me put it this way. Picture the very end of DA2.

 

"...and then, as Leliana turns to speak to Cassandra, a dagger flies from off camera and plunges into her chest. Her eyes widen, and she falls. Cassandra spins, drawing her sword, but a blast of magic hits her and she also falls to the ground. The camera pans down, and we see the black boots of an unseen figure walking between the fallen pair as the sounds of battle are heard. Ominous music, fade to black."

 

Cliffhanger.

 

"...Leliana and Cassandra look puzzled. Then, the camera showing Cassandra's perspective, we see Leliana's eyes widen and she gasps, as if seeing something behind Cassandra. Cassandra spins around, and we see her shocked face but not who she's looking at. "You?" she cries. Smash cut to black. Ominous music."

 

Cliffhanger.

 

Posing a question, which is unresolved as they walk off?

 

Just an unresolved question, and a hint at the future. Not a cliffhanger.


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David Gaider

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Sequel bait is a form of cliffhanger. A subcategory. A cliffhanger is simply an ending that leaves the audience in suspense. Introducing a new problem immediately after the initial one is resolve is just one way of doing that.

 

So every movie that hints that there might be another story to come in a sequel, like most Marvel movies, is actually a cliffhanger?

 

Such anticipation. Much suspense. Wow.

 

I'll just say I disagree and leave you to it, I guess.


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