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[Dutchess]

Oh! Thought of another reaaally good one: Memento!

 

Memento did not end with a cliffhanger. You knew who had committed the murder and that the main character had discovered it but purposefully allowed himself to forget to give himself a purpose for the rest of his life (at least if I remember the story right, it's been years since I saw that movie). Therefore the movie ends with the suggestion he will just keep repeating the process of searching for the murderer and forgetting when he finds out. That's not a cliffhanger. An open ending, if you wish (though I don't find it that open). Open ending are not the same as cliffhangers. A cliffhanger is what daily soaps do, or series with weekly episodes like the Vampire Diaries. 

[Navoletti]

ok thanks David Gaider for clarify i understand and i accept the decisión,after of see hawke in the tráiler we think in the cameo of warden but well i am happy with see what happen with him.

 

really i hope(a desire)see in a dlc(same of leliana song of the calling or other theme that involved the warden) or future game if they continue with life,the voices personally for my not is a problem.

[BrodbeckChris]

Looking ahead to future DA games, it would be unwise to "waste" all major characters at once for one entry in the franchise. I highly doubt that it would be a good decision to include the warden from DAO into Inquisition because of the fact that the story elements we do know at this point do not call for the warden to be involved.

 

Hawke's appearence makes sense because of the aftermath of DA2 and the templer-mage conflict.

[Lady Luminous]

 

Hmm, I would like to answer, but I'd have to first watch those series . Unfortunately I'm not familiar with either. 

 

I would also say that Pretty Little Liars is another good example of this. Many, many questions throughout the series remain unresolved and characters are stranded in flux. 

[Lady Luminous]

Memento did not end with a cliffhanger. You knew who had committed the murder and that the main character had discovered it but purposefully allowed himself to forget to give himself a purpose for the rest of his life (at least if I remember the story right, it's been years since I saw that movie). Therefore the movie ends with the suggestion he will just keep repeating the process of searching for the murderer and forgetting when he finds out. That's not a cliffhanger. An open ending, if you wish (though I don't find it that open). Open ending are not the same as cliffhangers. A cliffhanger is what daily soaps do, or series with weekly episodes like the Vampire Diaries. 

 

That's only if you take exactly what was said, word for word, as cannon. The question of which narrator to trust, Teddy or Leonard makes it very ambiguous. 

 

You seem to have a very specific of definition, whereas many people consider ambiguous endings and cliffhangers to be equal. 

 

Edit: Can I say though - We don't actually know how Leonard's wife died due to an untrustworthy narrative. She could have been overdosed with insulin or killed during the break-in. (I personally change my mind every time I watch it.)

[Nicholas Nunes]

i not understood why bioware start a expectation with the ending of da2 and the missing state of warden and hawke....they only bring back hawke but not the warden....

 

 

what is your plan with the hero of ferelden/orlesian warden?you have a idea and now decide change the opinión or what?

 

 

much people since the ending of da2 have expectation.

 

why generate false expectations?

 

bioware decide change the state of warden alive for disappeared well now my question is he continue alive or he is death?is very simple respond this for bioware?

 

have a plan for wardens commander(hero or orlesian warden)for future games?please confirm this and stop of generate expectations in the fans of wardens.

Your warden might be in the game. Like in a refrence 

[David Gaider]

That's only if you take exactly what was said, word for word, as cannon. The question of which narrator to trust, Teddy or Leonard makes it very ambiguous. 

 

You seem to have a very specific of definition, whereas many people consider ambiguous endings and cliffhangers to be equal. 

 

Many people are wrong.

 

Cliffhangers are when the central conflict of the story has not been resolved, and where the viewer is left "hanging" in anticipation as to what's going to happen next--usually because the story (or the current chapter) ended in dramatic suspense.

 

I'm aware there's been a widespread blurring of dramatic terms, mainly from their misuse, but broadening "cliffhanger" to mean "any ending where the every plot thread is not neatly wrapped up or explained" blurs it so as to make it apply to almost anything.

[Lady Luminous]

Many people are wrong.

 

Cliffhangers are when the central conflict of the story has not been resolved, and where the viewer is left "hanging" in anticipation as to what's going to happen next--usually because the story (or the current chapter) ended in dramatic suspense.

 

I'm aware there's been a widespread blurring of dramatic terms, mainly from their misuse, but broadening "cliffhanger" to mean "any ending where the every plot thread is not neatly wrapped up or explained" blurs it so as to make it apply to almost anything.

 

Well, I wouldn't widen it that far. But i understand your meaning... I should probably stop and let this thread get back to topic about DA anyways... 

[Sifr]

We haven't said anything about deciding to put the DAO Warden in the game and then removing him/her... where are you getting this, exactly?

 

After people saw Hawke in the Enemy of Thedas trailer beside a Warden, they immediately assumed it was the Warden. Then when it was confirmed that it wasn't the Warden and we found out we could import the Warden's appearance into the Keep, people took the two bits of information and began assuming the EoT Warden was a placeholder for the real Warden, much like Padok Wiks was for Mordin in ME3.

 

Basically a case of 1 +1 = 2, but 2 + 2 = 5, because people thought the extra +1 was imported from the previous sum.

[David Gaider]

Then when it was confirmed that it wasn't the Warden and we found out we could import the Warden's appearance into the Keep <snip>

 

Just to chime in that it's never been said you can import the Warden's appearance into the Keep.

 

Mike Laidlaw said that, if a previous PC was going to appear in-game, we'd ensure you'll be able to customize their appearance.

 

We do, however, allow you to set a great deal of information regarding the Warden's choices and status in DAO in the Keep.

[Sifr]

Just to chime in that it's never been said you can import the Warden's appearance into the Keep.

 

Mike Laidlaw said that, if a previous PC was going to appear in-game, we'd ensure you'll be able to customize their appearance.

 

We do, however, allow you to set a great deal of information regarding the Warden's choices and status in DAO in the Keep.

 

Ah, cheers for clearing that up, I did think it sounded a little off when I first heard it? The demon of misunderstanding strikes again!

[Dutchess]

 

Cliffhangers are when the central conflict of the story has not been resolved, and where the viewer is left "hanging" in anticipation as to what's going to happen next--usually because the story (or the current chapter) ended in dramatic suspense.

 

I don't think it necessarily has to be the central conflict that remains unresolved. It could also be new problem that pops up right before the end, which is what the mysterious disappearances are.

 

 

Just to chime in that it's never been said you can import the Warden's appearance into the Keep.

 

Mike Laidlaw said that, if a previous PC was going to appear in-game, we'd ensure you'll be able to customize their appearance.

 

We do, however, allow you to set a great deal of information regarding the Warden's choices and status in DAO in the Keep.

 

I don't follow news on the Keep very closely but I believe there were some (player) reports that the Wardens portrait could appear on the Keep page (if that Warden got uploaded to the Bioware servers). This led to the idea that the Keep did get information on the Warden's appearance. It's probably just the portrait picture, which contains no true information about the Warden's looks.

[CronoDragoon]

Ah, cheers for clearing that up, I did think it sounded a little off when I first heard it? The demon of misunderstanding strikes again!

 

Basically the misunderstanding is that when the Keep read your Wardens' profiles from your Origin account, it showed their little profile pic. People assumed this meant the appearance would be imported but it wasn't.

[dutch_gamer]

I don't follow news on the Keep very closely but I believe there were some (player) reports that the Wardens portrait could appear on the Keep page (if that Warden got uploaded to the Bioware servers). This lead to the idea that the Keep did get information on the Warden's appearance. It's probably just the portrait picture, which contains no true information about the Warden's looks.

It is indeed the portrait only with no additional information. People wrongly assumed for a long time the Keep would allow for customization of previous characters but considering the Keep doesn't run on the Frostbite engine this never made much sense, not without actual face codes.

[David Gaider]

I don't think it necessarily has to be the central conflict that remains unresolved. It could also be new problem that pops up right before the end, which is what the mysterious disappearances are.

 

A new problem that pops up right before the end is, at best, "sequel bait". It's a new story. If the conflict of the current story has been resolved, it is not a cliffhanger. Not knowing the answer to every existing question does not make it one.

[AlanC9]

In a sense it's Cassandra's story that has the cliffhanger, not Hawke's. She's been in the "sequel bait" time-frame for the whole game.

[TheJediSaint]

In a sense it's Cassandra's story that has the cliffhanger, not Hawke's. She's been in the "sequel bait" time-frame for the whole game.

Good point.  Inquisition is supposed to pick up after the events of her interrogation of Varric.

[David Gaider]

In a sense it's Cassandra's story that has the cliffhanger, not Hawke's. She's been in the "sequel bait" time-frame for the whole game.

 

Okay, let me put it this way. Picture the very end of DA2.

 

"...and then, as Leliana turns to speak to Cassandra, a dagger flies from off camera and plunges into her chest. Her eyes widen, and she falls. Cassandra spins, drawing her sword, but a blast of magic hits her and she also falls to the ground. The camera pans down, and we see the black boots of an unseen figure walking between the fallen pair as the sounds of battle are heard. Ominous music, fade to black."

 

Cliffhanger.

 

"...Leliana and Cassandra look puzzled. Then, the camera showing Cassandra's perspective, we see Leliana's eyes widen and she gasps, as if seeing something behind Cassandra. Cassandra spins around, and we see her shocked face but not who she's looking at. "You?" she cries. Smash cut to black. Ominous music."

 

Cliffhanger.

 

Posing a question, which is unresolved as they walk off?

 

Just an unresolved question, and a hint at the future. Not a cliffhanger.

[boraxalmighty]

What ever happened to letting a story play out before asking the questions? You want to know the wardens fate? wait for the damn game to come out. if it still goes unexplained then ******. this is an ongoing series with plenty of questions unanswered because (gasp) ITS STILL ONGOING! if they answer all your questions in the beginning whats the point of even playing the games?

[frankf43]

A new problem that pops up right before the end is, at best, "sequel bait". It's a new story. If the conflict of the current story has been resolved, it is not a cliffhanger. Not knowing the answer to every existing question does not make it one.

 

Just to be picky the main conflict of the last game was the Mage/Templar conflict, that hasn't been resolved. I still don't believe the end was a cliffhanger because no characters were left in immediate danger or a suspense filled situation.

[Lady Luminous]

What ever happened to letting a story play out before asking the questions? You want to know the wardens fate? wait for the damn game to come out. if it still goes unexplained then ******. this is an ongoing series with plenty of questions unanswered because (gasp) ITS STILL ONGOING! if they answer all your questions in the beginning whats the point of even playing the games?

 

Killing things  

 

((Just teasing, I agree with having patience. ))

[frankf43]

Okay, let me put it this way. Picture the very end of DA2.

 

"...and then, as Leliana turns to speak to Cassandra, a dagger flies from off camera and plunges into her chest. Her eyes widen, and she falls. Cassandra spins, drawing her sword, but a blast of magic hits her and she also falls to the ground. The camera pans down, and we see the black boots of an unseen figure walking between the fallen pair as the sounds of battle are heard. Ominous music, fade to black."

 

Cliffhanger.

 

"...Leliana and Cassandra look puzzled. Then, the camera showing Cassandra's perspective, we see Leliana's eyes widen and she gasps, as if seeing something behind Cassandra. Cassandra spins around, and we see her shocked face but not who she's looking at. "You?" she cries. Smash cut to black. Ominous music."

 

Cliffhanger.

 

Posing a question, which is unresolved as they walk off?

 

Just an unresolved question, and a hint at the future. Not a cliffhanger.

 

Totally agree.

[veeia]

I never read the ending of DA2 as a cliffhanger, fwiw. I'm happy Hawke is coming back, as her story seemed like it could still go on, but the Warden's story was pretty intense and satisfying. I don't expect her to solve every problem ever...as far as I'm convened, she and Zevran are getting some well deserved massages while drinking Antivan wine until I hear otherwise.

[Kantr]

I expect people will still try and argue that it is a cliff hanger or sequel bait. Or that they deserve to find out and see the warden

They probably would have liked to know the whole story of Inquisiton so that they can have no suprises and can dislike it in advance.

[Zu Long]

A new problem that pops up right before the end is, at best, "sequel bait". It's a new story. If the conflict of the current story has been resolved, it is not a cliffhanger. Not knowing the answer to every existing question does not make it one.

Sequel bait is a form of cliffhanger. A subcategory. A cliffhanger is simply an ending that leaves the audience in suspense. Introducing a new problem immediately after the initial one is resolve is just one way of doing that.

You're almost as wrong on this one as you are on comma use. ;P