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[senorbluez88]

I agree with Gaider on this matter, but this is a strange perspective. If people aren't satisfied with his explanation, it's perfectly normal for them to discuss it without needing therapy. its super cool he engages with us, but that doesn't mean stop the conversation and nod along with rapt expressions of joy and amazement. I'm sure he'd accept that (or die of shock), but as long as people are being respectful, discussion is what this place is for, no?

Agreed, to a degree. But how much more can one discuss about an outcome that we honestly know nothing about; particularly when it pertains to a story. See, as a musician and composer, if people were to come on stage and tell me how to phrase a passage I created, well, I don't know how much debate there would be. I would accept criticism in kind, but would probably be satisfied with telling them if ya don't like it, sit at the piano and do it better. Unless it was Chick Corea or Keith Jarrett, then I would just..make rapt expressions of joy and amazement.

It most def is super cool. And super humbling that Mr. Gaider comes onto the forums to talk to his fans in light of criticism, some very harsh (again, of an unreleased product). Most artists won't do that. Ever. So all I was saying is having the talent respond in person is the best answer you could possibly get. All love and respect.

[Zu Long]

That's an awfully subjective rule. If I apply that rule DA2 isn't a cliffhanger, since I didn't have that moment. It's not at all apparent to me that anything bad is likely to happened to either the Warden or Hawke. Certainly my Hawkes have had enough of bailing people out of their own damn problems.

( Just to put down a marker here, i'm not personally very invested in the argument. Whether something is or is not a "cliffhanger" doesn't strike me as a question with any consequences. It's like all those ME3 board arguments about what is or isn't a deus ex machina.)

 

*shrug* Stories are subjective things. People will react differently to them. That session of the class was about the "audience ending trajectory" IIRC- basically the idea that where a story ends is important because it determines the 'trajectory" of the audience's path out of the story and influences the feelings the audience takes with them. It's a rule of convenience, not a contract for your soul. I'm sure if you hated the character of Neo or Jack Sparrow what happened to them wasn't particularly important to you. However, I think this topic itself can be taken as proof that a great many people had an "Oh snap! What happened to 'x'!?" moment at the end of DA2.

 

(For my own marker, while I'm disappointed the Warden won't be in DAI, I'm glad enough that Hawke will be, and I have faith that even without an appearance, we will find some answers to the questions we have regarding what happened. I just enjoy arguing about the tools of fiction.)

[Mecha Elf]

So has bioware legitimately stated that there is no warden?

[Zu Long]

So has bioware legitimately stated that there is no warden?

 

Yeah, Gaider himself said it point blank on Twitter. Warden is Sir-Not-Appearing-In-This-Game, though we may still hear or read of their exploits.

[KC_Prototype]

I am deeply sadden the Warden won't be making an appearance, especially since all of his buddies are coming back or at least the main ones. But there's always hope for DLC and an expansion.

[9TailsFox]

So has bioware legitimately stated that there is no warden?

It is we have Blackwall he is warden. I am sorry i just really wanted to write something. 

[GDog89]

He said The DAO Warden doesnt Mean The DAA warden so they still have a chance if imported or the Orleasion might appear as a support charcter for a short quest and be gone again.

[Zannana]

I will just express my personal opinion here and say that though it would be awesome to have the Warden in the game, I don't mind just the mention of him/her. After all Hawke seems to be more involved with the events in DAI than the Warden. Not only that, but in essence, the story of the Warden has been told. This is our Inquisitor's time to have his story unfold and that should be the main focus. If there are too many cameos of other characters, I think it would detract from that, especially since they may not have a good place in the story.

 

Cameos for the sake of it may be annoying, like Zevran's in DA2.

[XMissWooX]

I assume that DAO's Warden not physically appearing in Inquisition also extends to DAA's Warden-Commander not physically appearing in Inquisition too?

[frankf43]

The main conflict was the Mage/Templar conflict in Kirkwall, which has.

No, It didn't end anything it was the opening salvo in a war that is just coming to a head as we start DA:I. The whole game was the world is in turmoil falling to pieces around our ears and we need someone to help resolve the conflict. The two main heroes that the world had are nowhere to be found.

 

The game was an interrogation taking place between Cassandra and Varric while the war raged on around them, it was an interlude in a war, not it's culmination.

[Little Princess Peach]

It's been stated elsewhere, but I'll just say it again:

 

All we've said is that you won't see your DAO Warden appear in-game.

 

That does not mean he/she is not mentioned. It does not mean he/she is not in any way involved in the story, or that you won't find out what happened to him/her with regards to the "disappearance". It also doesn't mean that any of these things definitely will happen either, of course, but to assume the lack because it's not stated outright doesn't really follow. We're not going to re-assure you further, other than to let you play the game and find out for yourselves.

 

If the suggestion is that saying the DAO Warden went missing at the end of DA2 meant implying they would play a larger role in the sequel, however, as in that they would appear in person...sorry if someone finds that disappointing, but as cool as that might (potentially) have been, I don't think that follows either.

 

We collect a lot of information on the choices in previous games to let you build a consistent world state, and those choices will play into DAI in various ways. That's all I'll really say on the topic.

to be fair Mr David, having Hawke come back might of been a dumb move, if you can't bring back the warden from Origins, why would you add Hawke, maybe leaving them both out would of been better

[PhroXenGold]

to be fair Mr David, having Hawke come back might of been a dumb move, if you can't bring back the warden from Origins, why would you add Hawke, maybe leaving them both out would of been better

 

Maybe becuase Hawke has some relevance to the story but the Warden doesn't?

[VanillaSun]

The Warden won't be in the game, so what? There's always DLC and expansions, r-right guys? I mean, they are doing the character creator thing with Hawke, this doesn't rule out the Warden for future content.

 

*crosses fingers*

[In Exile]

Okay, let me put it this way. Picture the very end of DA2.

"...and then, as Leliana turns to speak to Cassandra, a dagger flies from off camera and plunges into her chest. Her eyes widen, and she falls. Cassandra spins, drawing her sword, but a blast of magic hits her and she also falls to the ground. The camera pans down, and we see the black boots of an unseen figure walking between the fallen pair as the sounds of battle are heard. Ominous music, fade to black."

Cliffhanger.

"...Leliana and Cassandra look puzzled. Then, the camera showing Cassandra's perspective, we see Leliana's eyes widen and she gasps, as if seeing something behind Cassandra. Cassandra spins around, and we see her shocked face but not who she's looking at. "You?" she cries. Smash cut to black. Ominous music."

Cliffhanger.

Posing a question, which is unresolved as they walk off?

Just an unresolved question, and a hint at the future. Not a cliffhanger.

The disagreement, I think, comes from a disagreement as to whether DA2 actually resolved its own story. If you see the action as sorrounding what really happened in Kirkwall, then it does. If you see it as being about who Hawke actually was as a person, it does.

The problem is that for a lot of people the story isn't about about what happened in the past, but what Hawke will do in the future. DA2 feels incomplete because it never goes forward into the present to show the consequences that Cass alludes to at the outset of the game - the chantry being in pieces - that frames the story. People taken the framing element to be the story, basically.

[Heimdall]

I think Mr. Gaider has an exrtremely narrow definition of cliffhanger, one that, much as I admire him, I disagree with.

This is not intended as an all inclusive definition, but I have to think that any ending that calls the fate of the protagonist into question falls under 'cliffhanger'. In the case of DA2, a greater conspiracy or issue is implied by the "Just like the Warden". A cliffhanger doesn't require an action sequence cut off midway as Mr. Gaider seems to imply, not in my experience with the term anyway.

[dsl08002]

It is very funny if they had put that same ending of DA2 in a detective movie then the audience would have said  

 

"what the hell was that all about, why was it there anyway"  

[Navoletti]

David Gaider say each time this is the story of inquisitor...well why you work in a cameo with imported faces with hawke and not with the warden?

 

 

Also anyone notice how even now bioware seems to be catering more to the DA2 crowd than DAO

 

this stinks of what happened the last time before of DA2 now again,they seem to be deciding to get hawke back for got in DA2 while all the fans who've been around since the first one are being treated as a second class.

 

hero of ferelden have more feeling he have importance in all thedas but is only mentioned,fans of dragon age only have back hawke,a carácter very mediocre,this guy fail each time and is the classic looser.

 

BIOWARE HAVE IN THE HANDS THE REVOLUTION OF GAMES,THEY HAVE THE GOTY WITH THREE CHARACTERS PROTAGONIST IN A SAME GAME BUT THEY DECIDE CANCELL THE CAMEO OF WARDEN.

 

 

EXAMPLE IN WITCHER 2 WE HAVE A PART THAT CHANGE THE CONTROL OF CHARACTER FOR STENNIS OR HENSELT....WELL IMAGINE THIS HAPPEN WITH INQUISITOR AND AFTER OF TIME YOU HAVE A MINI PART WITH THE CONTROL OF WARDEN?

[Almostfaceman]

David Gaider say each time this is the story of inquisitor...well why you work in a cameo with imported faces with hawke and not with the warden?

 

 

Also anyone notice how even now bioware seems to be catering more to the DA2 crowd than DAO

 

this stinks of what happened the last time before of DA2 now again,they seem to be deciding to get hawke back for got in DA2 while all the fans who've been around since the first one are being treated as a second class.

 

hero of ferelden have more feeling he have importance in all thedas but is only mentioned,fans of dragon age only have back hawke,a carácter very mediocre,this guy fail each time and is the classic looser.

 

BIOWARE HAVE IN THE HANDS THE REVOLUTION OF GAMES,THEY HAVE THE GOTY WITH THREE CHARACTERS PROTAGONIST IN A SAME GAME BUT THEY DECIDE CANCELL THE CAMEO OF WARDEN.

 

 

EXAMPLE IN WITCHER 2 WE HAVE A PART THAT CHANGE THE CONTROL OF CHARACTER FOR STENNIS OR HENSELT....WELL IMAGINE THIS HAPPEN WITH INQUISITOR AND AFTER OF TIME YOU HAVE A MINI PART WITH THE CONTROL OF WARDEN?

 

 

There are no imported faces, and they've already answered you. Now you're spamming. 

[LonewandererD]

You're unhappy, we get it. But if possible can we limit the unhappiness to one thread. Multiple threads on essentially the same topic will not help your stance. If you reiterate the same point in multiple threads it only draws ire at spam and not discussion. You are hurting your point

 

-D-

[Lady Luminous]

David Gaider say each time this is the story of inquisitor...well why you work in a cameo with imported faces with hawke and not with the warden?

 

 

Also anyone notice how even now bioware seems to be catering more to the DA2 crowd than DAO

 

this stinks of what happened the last time before of DA2 now again,they seem to be deciding to get hawke back for got in DA2 while all the fans who've been around since the first one are being treated as a second class.

 

hero of ferelden have more feeling he have importance in all thedas but is only mentioned,fans of dragon age only have back hawke,a carácter very mediocre,this guy fail each time and is the classic looser.

 

BIOWARE HAVE IN THE HANDS THE REVOLUTION OF GAMES,THEY HAVE THE GOTY WITH THREE CHARACTERS PROTAGONIST IN A SAME GAME BUT THEY DECIDE CANCELL THE CAMEO OF WARDEN.

 

 

EXAMPLE IN WITCHER 2 WE HAVE A PART THAT CHANGE THE CONTROL OF CHARACTER FOR STENNIS OR HENSELT....WELL IMAGINE THIS HAPPEN WITH INQUISITOR AND AFTER OF TIME YOU HAVE A MINI PART WITH THE CONTROL OF WARDEN?

 

Little bit overzealous there. Calm down, m'dear. 

[Ajna]

Oh god *rocks back and forth*

[Kieran G.]

To be blunt. Get over it. We didn't see Morrigan or Shale or Wynne in DA2. and i wished i had, but i got over it because it wasn't their story. This story isn't about The Warden or Hawke. 

 

And what you said they are catering to DA2 fan's i really don't get that. you see Hawke in a trailer so he/she must just be there for a dumb companion quest instead of a well thought out story reason which it seems like to me. 

 

This series isn't about any one personal story its about the world its self at different times and we find out new things because of that. Morrigan disappeared in DA:O we didn't see her back until now. so these "cliffhangers" didn't get resolved until now so why would the one about the warden have to be resolved in DA:I except for the fact you want it to.

 

Again i will say this simply. Get over it, its not a big deal, and you should be appreciative David Gaider actually came into your thread to try to discuss this with you but really what it is, is that you're just scorned he won't appear, Even though like in real life, not every issues will be resolved at the same time, and that's what the DA series does, we gets hints and clues, messages and questions that are for a game to come.

 

I mean the Qunari aren't invading yet and Sten left us with that threat in 2009. so shouldn't of that be resolved in DA:2 according to your logic? this is an entire continent so why would everything be resolved in one part of it all in one year or however long inquisitions timeline is. 

 

Just get over it. And obviously they aren't Catering to DA2 fans since many DA2 companions have been confirmed to not return, yet we have Leliana and Morrigan as main characters of the game and we know Alistair is making a cameo.

[Ajna]

I didn't even know DA:O and DA2 fans were seperate things...I thought we were all DA fans, regardless of preference..*shakes head*

[Roxy]

Oh god *rocks back and forth*

 

It'll be okay Ajna!   

 

 

As for the OP you need to calm down you are taking this too seriously, what's done is done.  Get over it!