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[New Kid]

This. I'm resigned to see My neutral Hawke acting like a pro-mage.

Well you won't know how Hawke will act until the game releases 

[The Elder King]

Well you won't know how Hawke will act until the game releases 

I know, but for seeing My Hawke as a neutral The choice to say so should be in the keep...which it doesn't have it.

[sylvanaerie]

I know, but for seeing My Hawke as a neutral The choice to say so should be in the keep...which it doesn't have it.

Nuetral is only head canon I'm afraid.  My pacifist, Lily, was nuetral.  But in the end you have to choose a side.

 

At first, I didn't want the warden back.  But after all these whiny threads posted by OP, I hope he does show up.  Bounds over the hills and dales, aged mabari by his side, cape flowing in the wind.  Sun glinting off his armor.  With his blank eyes and blank face, staring at my Inquisitor for all the world like a mannequin.

 

Three seconds later a giant tosses a rock on him.  

 

No cry because he's silent, he simply dies, the same bland expression on his face.

 

Splat.

 

Warden's End.

[Kantr]

What are the problems with a living Warden in DA:I? There aren't any problems with the transfer of Shepard from ME 1 to 2 and 3, so it can't be appearance. And if you only make reference to very important decisions, e.g. if he walked through Eluvian, there also can't be any difficulties in this regard.

 

So again, where is the problem?

Mass Effect is the story of Shepard.

 

Dragon Age isn't "The Continuing Adventures of the Warden"

[The Elder King]

Nuetral is only head canon I'm afraid.  My pacifist, Lily, was nuetral.  But in the end you have to choose a side.
 
At first, I didn't want the warden back.  But after all these whiny threads posted by OP, I hope he does show up.  Bounds over the hills and dales, aged mabari by his side, cape flowing in the wind.  Sun glinting off his armor.  With his blank eyes and blank face, staring at my Inquisitor for all the world like a mannequin.
 
Three seconds later a giant tosses a rock on him.  
 
No cry because he's silent, he simply dies, the same bland expression on his face.
 
Splat.
 
Warden's End.

It's not really headcanon. In act 3 you do have a choice in supporting neither when The act starts, resulting in not receiving a bonus equipment by neither Orsino or Meredith.
You are Indeed forced in picking a side after anders' actions, but even then you can say you don't want to pick a side (without results).

[sylvanaerie]

It's not really headcanon. In act 3 you do have a choice in supporting neither when The act starts, resulting in not receiving a bonus equipment by neither Orsino or Meredith.
You are Indeed forced in picking a side after anders' actions, but even then you can say you don't want to pick a side (without results).

 

But you still have to pick a side.  Ultimately, no matter what you do, you must choose one or the other, or simply don't finish the game.  Lily was nuetral all the way through (with a nudge toward the mages).  At the end she was forced to choose.  You can still say "I don't want to" but you still have to choose a side.

 

*Edit* TBH I am sorry they're bringing Hawke back.  I'd have preferred to never see her or my warden ever again.  Just hearing about them is fine with me.  Their tales are done.  Time to move on. 

[KoorahUK]

Honestly, I'm so tired of all these "Whuuurs mah Warden" threads, I'm hoping DA:I's promised Warden related content is all about recovering their corpse from somewhere.

 

[The Elder King]

But you still have to pick a side.  Ultimately, no matter what you do, you must choose one or the other, or simply don't finish the game.  Lily was nuetral all the way through (with a nudge toward the mages).  At the end she was forced to choose.  You can still say "I don't want to" but you still have to choose a side.
 
*Edit* TBH I am sorry they're bringing Hawke back.  I'd have preferred to never see her or my warden ever again.  Just hearing about them is fine with me.  Their tales are done.  Time to move on.

You Indeed have to, but it'll be different from a pro-mage. They might a Hawke that picked mages say something pro-mage, with My Hawke wouldn't say.
Not to mention another Major problem: you can play as a pro-mage and pro-templar through The whole game
And support The other in The end. The keep won't reflect this.

[Grieving Natashina]

Okay OP, you're officially getting obsessed over this.  You have made several threads over the last few days about this topic, one of which was locked yesterday.  Look, I have some dissatisfaction with the story and with some of the direction the DA team has taken as well.  Yet, if I didn't trust them with the story, I wouldn't be spending money on them.

 

Is it a little better use of your time and energy to spend the next two weeks looking forward to the game rather than acting demanding towards the head writer?  In case you didn't know, the game went gold.  That means it's in its final state, the base game without any DLC.  This also means that, aside from bug fixes, this is going to be the final result of the game.  I can understand you're frustrated, but this isn't the way to express it constructively.  

 

I would suggest either accepting the answer that David provided for us, or just not buy the game.  Simple.  They aren't going to add in the Warden to the base game; there could be some problems with adding him/her down the road due to a lot of variables; and you might not be getting what you want.  That sucks, but thems the breaks.

[CrazyMooNew]

Perhaps...the devs. just don't want to tell you if The Warden Commander is in the game? And I'm not sure how this would be considered a plot hole...at all....Perhaps we will learn more about it in the game itself, perhaps there will be mentions of The Warden Commander, and perhaps we will see him/her in some DLC.....

 

The thing is...we don't know....and Bioware would probably like to keep some things secret until the release of the game.

[The Elder King]

Perhaps...the devs. just don't want to tell you if The Warden Commander is in the game? And I'm not sure how this would be considered a plot hole...at all....Perhaps we will learn more about it in the game itself, perhaps there will be mentions of The Warden Commander, and perhaps we will see him/her in some DLC.....
 
The thing is...we don't know....and Bioware would probably like to keep some things secret until the release of the game.

They're not trying to keep it a secret. They explicitely said The Warden won't appear.

[sylvanaerie]

You Indeed have to, but it'll be different from a pro-mage. They might a Hawke that picked mages say something pro-mage, with My Hawke wouldn't say.
Not to mention another Major problem: you can play as a pro-mage and pro-templar through The whole game
And support The other in The end. The keep won't reflect this.

Well, maybe they had only so many flags you can trip without it completely fubaring your game.  I don't know anything about programming.  It may have something to do with limited dialogue as well.  Have to wonder why someone would be one side throughout the entire game only to flip flop at the end though I know it's an option, just doesn't make much sense to me.  I think they may be going for generalizations.  My 'canon' Hawke is a snarky rogue who was pro-mage the entire game so i won't have that issue.  But I did have other mindsets (one of them being nuetral--and that's in one of my other saved world states).  

[CrazyMooNew]

They're not trying to keep it a secret. They explicitely said The Warden won't appear.

 Oh...well that perfectly fine too, but we don't know about DLC, and I also said that the Warden will likely be mentioned throughout the game.

[Grieving Natashina]

Perhaps...the devs. just don't want to tell you if The Warden Commander is in the game? And I'm not sure how this would be considered a plot hole...at all....Perhaps we will learn more about it in the game itself, perhaps there will be mentions of The Warden Commander, and perhaps we will see him/her in some DLC.....

 

The thing is...we don't know....and Bioware would probably like to keep some things secret until the release of the game.

This was DG's quote from earlier in the thread:

 

 

It's been stated elsewhere, but I'll just say it again:

 

All we've said is that you won't see your DAO Warden appear in-game.

 

That does not mean he/she is not mentioned. It does not mean he/she is not in any way involved in the story, or that you won't find out what happened to him/her with regards to the "disappearance". It also doesn't mean that any of these things definitely will happen either, of course, but to assume the lack because it's not stated outright doesn't really follow. We're not going to re-assure you further, other than to let you play the game and find out for yourselves.

 

If the suggestion is that saying the DAO Warden went missing at the end of DA2 meant implying they would play a larger role in the sequel, however, as in that they would appear in person...sorry if someone finds that disappointing, but as cool as that might (potentially) have been, I don't think that follows either.

 

We collect a lot of information on the choices in previous games to let you build a consistent world state, and those choices will play into DAI in various ways. That's all I'll really say on the topic.

 

[The Elder King]

Well, maybe they had only so many flags you can trip without it completely fubaring your game.  I don't know anything about programming.  It may have something to do with limited dialogue as well.  Have to wonder why someone would be one side throughout the entire game only to flip flop at the end though I know it's an option, just doesn't make much sense to me.  I think they may be going for generalizations.  My 'canon' Hawke is a snarky rogue who was pro-mage the entire game so i won't have that issue.  But I did have other mindsets (one of them being nuetral--and that's in one of my other saved world states).

To be clear, it's not a big deal for me. I understand The problems in implementing all The choices, and it's Possibly Hawke won't say anything about mages and templars. Maybe The choice will only reflect in how mages and templars feel about Hawke.

[Navoletti]

if they add hawke playable in the game David Gaider have the more big contradiction of fórum.

 

 

the rumour talk of a part of game with the control of Hawke,if this is true this fórum will be on fire

 

 

if hawke have a part playable in the game we have the evidence of they ignore the warden and the story open of him.

[Kantr]

What you said makes no sense. The HoF (and sometimes the OW) have done their roles

 

We know from the Trailer and Cameron Lee that Hawke has a Significant role, likely as Hawke released Corepheus and the game takes over the exalted march planned dlc.

[Itkovian]

if they add hawke playable in the game David Gaider have the more big contradiction of fórum.

 

 

the rumour talk of a part of game with the control of Hawke,if this is true this fórum will be on fire

 

 

if hawke have a part playable in the game we have the evidence of they ignore the warden and the story open of him.

 

This makes absolutely no sense.

 

Because they involve Hawke in DAI, and not the Warden, means that they "ignore the warden" and anything unresolved about him/her? This is some sort of contradiction, or something worthy of outrage?

 

You do realize that Hawke is ALREADY linked to the events of DAI, right? He played a major role in the start of the mage rebellion, AND the whole narrative of DA2 was that Cassandra was interrogating Varric to find out what happened to Hawke. You know, Cassandra and Varric, two of the Inquisitor's companions?

 

It should come as no surprise that Hawke plays a role in DAI, because he's obviously linked to its events and characters, and the whole POINT of the previous game was that his help was needed to deal with events sparked during DA2.

 

The Warden, on the other hand, has no obvious link to DAI. His role was ending the Fifth Blight, which is now done. There's no reason in the narrative to bring him back, and no reason to even think he'd be back.

[Kantr]

Much better to be a new person while hearing reports of the warden kicking Darkspawn butt.

[Chari]

Mentioning the Warden and not making them appear later is a pretty damn bad mistake on their part. But it's not uncommon among writers in every genre of media. One mentiones an event, a character and willingly/unwillingly creates tension, suspence, mystery and of course the readers/watchers/players want it to be solved. So obviously they are going to be disappointed when it turns out to be nothing. When you write a story you need to be able to forsee the potential influence on the reader/player and how they may percieve this

Mentioning a specific character as important and then doing nothing to resolve the mystery which due to the mentioning appeared (or not seeing that it did create a mystery) is just bad writing 

[Dutchess]

Nuetral is only head canon I'm afraid.  My pacifist, Lily, was nuetral.  But in the end you have to choose a side.

 

At first, I didn't want the warden back.  But after all these whiny threads posted by OP, I hope he does show up.  Bounds over the hills and dales, aged mabari by his side, cape flowing in the wind.  Sun glinting off his armor.  With his blank eyes and blank face, staring at my Inquisitor for all the world like a mannequin.

 

Three seconds later a giant tosses a rock on him.  

 

No cry because he's silent, he simply dies, the same bland expression on his face.

 

Splat.

 

Warden's End.

 

Psht, that description might fit your Warden. My Warden could do this:

 

 

Not blank at all!

[xkg]

Psht, that description might fit your Warden. My Warden could do this:

 

[snip]

 

Not blank at all!

 

Mine was on fire during the convrsations, literally.

 

 

One of the bugs in DA:A

[Semyaza82]

   I'm actually kind of glad the Warden isn't appearing in person. Our Warden was silent for the whole of DA:O and huge numbers of the choices we made, both in quests and conversations, don't correspond to the 'aggressive, diplomatic, funny' options we had for Hawke. As a result of this, and I'm sure i'm not alone in it, I have very clear personalities for my various Warden's that exist largely as my own personal 'head cannon'. I don't know that there would be any real way of reconciling that with having them appear again. I mean they could be silent again and let us pick responses, but in a game where everyone else is voiced it would feel very odd.

   Also, I really didn't feel my Warden's story was unfinished in any way. There are still things I want to know, especially the mysterious disappearing, but I don't feel I need to play the Warden again to get answers to that. I love all my various Wardens but I'm pretty happy with there story being finished. Thedas is a big place - a lot of stories to be told

[Otter-under-the-mountain]

if they add hawke playable in the game David Gaider have the more big contradiction of fórum.

 

 

the rumour talk of a part of game with the control of Hawke,if this is true this fórum will be on fire

 

 

if hawke have a part playable in the game we have the evidence of they ignore the warden and the story open of him.

Let's put it this way:

 

Play the game. Once you're done, if you still feel the Warden got unfair treatment, come back and talk about it. People might not agree with you then, but at least you'll have something to base your argument on that isn't rumor and speculation.

[Meltemph]

You Indeed have to, but it'll be different from a pro-mage. They might a Hawke that picked mages say something pro-mage, with My Hawke wouldn't say.
Not to mention another Major problem: you can play as a pro-mage and pro-templar through The whole game
And support The other in The end. The keep won't reflect this.

"Your hawk wouldnt say"? We were not exactly in control of WHAT exactly he said, only the tone and what not. His motivations for exactly why he said anything was head-canon. In fact him being "pro" or "anti" I dont see him saying anything to extensively pro or anti at all, I'd think the dialogue you pick for him in the game will shape that out.