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[Sifr]

I'm not talking about the Warden showing up to save the day, where on earth did you get that from?  I'm in the closure camp, that's all...I'd like resolution for my warden, especially since she's the Queen of sodding Ferelden.

 

Ah, I misunderstood, so many people seem to want to see the Warden to show up just because.

 

I agree that the Queen ending probably needs to have some resolution and yeah, it's a little weird that if you romanced Leliana you apparently skipped town after a while, but for most endings I think that there was a lot of closure at the end of Awakening, with Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt just being one last job you did before you entered semi-retirement.

 

For the Warden I played, who romanced Morrigan, I felt that the pay off in Witch Hunt was a great closure to that plot-thread that had been running from Origins and into Awakening, where the ending-slides made it clear that finding Morrigan was never from the forefront of your mind. Hopefully the two are still together in DAI, but I'm fine with Morrigan simply hinting she knows where the Warden is. And it'd be in-character, since we know she was never fond of sharing the Warden with others anyway.

 

But if we're talking about characters who need story resolution, Hawke again makes more sense to appear than the Warden, since with Exalted Marches being cancelled, Hawke's story was cut short and just left hanging?

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

So, The Warden is confirmed not to return?

Anyway, This is fine with me and I can understand why its difficult to add the warden. I'm more than sure they will be mentioned however, especially considering Morrigan and Leliana are in game.This doesn't mean we will never see The Warden again.

[PhroXenGold]

It would only be a plothole if the Warden's absence wasn't explained in DA:I. Which it will be.

 

Why will it be explained? Hell, it would feel more contrived and plot-hole-esque if all the answers just happen to be revealed. Leaving things un-answered is not a plot hole. A plot hole is when things happen for reasons that don't make sense. If simply you never find any information that leads to an explanation of what happened to a warden, that's not a plot hole. In fact it makes a lot of sense.

[Itkovian]

Why should the wrap the story up? A mysterious unexplained diappearance is fine. Leave the Warden's fate as one of the great unknowns of Thedas.

 

Indeed, that's quite dramatically appropriate, and it fits with all the ending (Cassandra says the same thing about the Ultimate Sacrifice Warden... he's gone too, after all *grin*).

 

One thing that has been said repeatedly in the past several years: the story of the Warden is over, now we move on to other stories.

 

That doesn't mean we might not hear from the Warden again, of course, but his part in shaping events is pretty much done (and really, he's done enough).

 

That we see Hawke again is not a function of "our old characters are coming back", but rather that DA2 was about Hawke's involvement in world-shaking events that he helped set into motion. It's only natural that we see him again in an important capacity (in fact, I imagine that the original goal was to keep Hawke as the main DA protagonist, but the negative reaction to DA2 forced a change of plan).

[raging_monkey]

Bioware has large stock in plot-holes and rubbing some fans wrong...

[NUM13ER]

Thats another reason not to resolve things. Whatever resolution they go for will likely ****** off more people than it satisfies...

To be honest I felt Awakening was a send off of sorts. Establishing a badass fortress, saving a town, a new order of silver knights and crushing the remnants of the blight. 

The Warden's end being somewhat ambiguous isn't so bad when you consider that kind of legacy.

[Itkovian]

Why will it be explained? Hell, it would feel more contrived and plot-hole-esque if all the answers just happen to be revealed. Leaving things un-answered is not a plot hole. A plot hole is when things happen for reasons that don't make sense. If simply you never find any information that leads to an explanation of what happened to a warden, that's not a plot hole. In fact it makes a lot of sense.

 

Exactly, moreover it's very fitting for the Warden. It allows us to just imagine our own headcanon when thinking about the fate of our Warden. Nothing wrong with that.

 

He saved the world already, let's leave the Warden some privacy.

[Jaison1986]

While it's understable that the warden would have no relevance to the plot if they just stayed with the wardens, that's not the case if you either follow Morrigan or become royalty. These particular kind of wardens are directly related to the plot. Especially with Morrigan being an main character and both Alistair and Anora confirmed to return. And yet they get sidelined either way. 

[PhroXenGold]

While it's understable that the warden would have no relevance to the plot if they just stayed with the wardens, that's not the case if you either follow Morrigan or become royalty. These particular kind of wardens are directly related to the plot. Especially with Morrigan being an main character and both Alistair and Anora confirmed to return. And yet they get sidelined either way. 

 

I will say this, I hope the Warden's disappearance is not glossed over, for the exact reasons you bring up here. It should still be a major event in the world. The disappearance of the Queen/King of Ferelden will have a serious impact on the world, and even the loss of a Warden which went on to other activities would still be noted. I just hope it's a major event that isn't explained. That you see the effects of the Warden's diappearance, just not the cause of it, or the resolution of it.

[CIA]

I think we all knew deep down after DA2 we'd never see our Warden again. I'll be fine with a 'calling' explanation tbh, I just hope the Inquisitor is more customisable character-wise.

[SurelyForth]

Man, if anything, it's Awakening that is the basis for these plotholes, because that was when the initial "the Hero is missing" rumors started. DA2 just confirmed them.

 

And I am joining those who would rather never see my Warden again than have their story resolved in a way I don't think is fitting. Realistically, short of having them be the protagonist of the next game, nothing is going to satisfy everyone. 

[AlexiaRevan]

 

And I am joining those who would rather never see my Warden again than have their story resolved in a way I don't think is fitting. Realistically, short of having them be the protagonist of the next game, nothing is going to satisfy everyone. 

Yup . Same here , I rather never hear about the warden and Imagine all kind of stuff for each origins then have the Warden be stuck with 'Become Queen with Alistair' or....'the calling..badaboum...warden die . The End' . 

[Jaison1986]

Man, if anything, it's Awakening that is the basis for these plotholes, because that was when the initial "the Hero is missing" rumors started. DA2 just confirmed them.

 

And I am joining those who would rather never see my Warden again than have their story resolved in a way I don't think is fitting. Realistically, short of having them be the protagonist of the next game, nothing is going to satisfy everyone. 

 

And what of those that feel that the Warden staying in the shadows all the time is an unfitting conclusion for them? i for example, find very unrealistic for my warden to sit still somewere while Morrigan and their kid face all these perils on their own.

[PlasmaCheese]

Is this entire topic about that tweet saying something like: "The Warden won't be in DAI...sort of..."? Or did I miss something more concrete?

[polemists02]

I think it has been mentioned before. Regardless of how you ended the game, the wardens final act is the calling. Time passed between da1 and da2 and DAI. Regardless of race te affect of drinking the blood would be taking hold by now. I am not sure how they could do the calling other then a very bleak dlc. I assume that is why you will only hear of him. Time has passed and he or she went to the deep roads one last time. I could be wrong but it makes sense. Then again maybe thy show up in da4 as others say.

I do agree this is more hawkes sequel story wise.

[AlexiaRevan]

And what of those that feel that the Warden staying in the shadows all the time is an unfitting conclusion for them? i for example, find very unrealistic for my warden to sit still somewere while Morrigan and their kid face all these perils on their own.

I don't know about you , but Morrigan never came off as a lady who need to be shielded and protected . She was shape shifting and wondering the wild where humans troops wouldn't dare go and at mere mention of those places they go shaking . And as for their kid , it isn't even a normal kid that need a baby sitter . Her showing up in DAI with no kid in toe...may just mean she may have left him beind in the mirror . Or maybe it grew faster then any human due to it not being...err..human ? 

 

As for the warden just sitting somewhere , we don't even know that . Usually someone who dissapear mean they are traveling in unkown region for some reasons . They are not hold up in some tower reading spells books . 

 

And because of this..tis why the warden won't be showing up . The DAI is about the Inquisitor . Maybe futur games will be about the warden (Everyone warden and everyone gender and everyone Li) . 

[CIA]

Is this entire topic about that tweet saying something like: "The Warden won't be in DAI...sort of..."? Or did I miss something more concrete?

Gaider confirmed Warden wasn't in DA:I, this is the obligatory shitstorm

[dutch_gamer]

And what of those that feel that the Warden staying in the shadows all the time is an unfitting conclusion for them? i for example, find very unrealistic for my warden to sit still somewere while Morrigan and their kid face all these perils on their own.

You can never satisfy everyone. If you get what you want, others like me don't. I believe that at some point we as the player should be able to fill in the blanks as we can with almost any source of entertainment considering most of it never ends at the end of the protagonist's life. I don't want BioWare to tell us what happened to our Warden by having him/her play yet another role in a game.

Also, there is a good possibility Morrigan wouldn't even accept the help of the warden. I would find it less realistic if she happened to need someone to protect her and her child.

[PlasmaCheese]

*heart shatters into a million pieces* ;;;;;______;;;;

[wicked cool]

I think the wardens story may end in this game. I have a feeling we will see the corpse of our warden or ghoul/ghost and depending on choices we get reaction from say morrigan or leliana . I cant see future dlc or the next game as he/she is 2 powerful for a low level game/no connection to new gamers/2 much time has passed

Not going to be shocked if hawke also dies in this game. I bet he/she dies in the begining before the inquisition is formed. The inquisition reminds me of the fellowship of the ring and we are the ringbearer. Why else wouldnt hawke help

[raging_monkey]

Gaider confirmed Warden wasn't in DA:I, this is the obligatory shitstorm

while im calmed down but i revel in the outrage. This is a insult to older fans that loved our wardens. BW spat on my shoes on this decision

[PhroXenGold]

I think the wardens story may end in this game. I have a feeling we will see the corpse of our warden or ghoul/ghost and depending on choices we get reaction from say morrigan or leliana . I cant see future dlc or the next game as he/she is 2 powerful for a low level game/no connection to new gamers/2 much time has passed

Not going to be shocked if hawke also dies in this game. I bet he/she dies in the begining before the inquisition is formed. The inquisition reminds me of the fellowship of the ring and we are the ringbearer. Why else wouldnt hawke help

 

Beacuse he couldn't care less?

[Ajna]

I'm really ok with it, I've got invested in the new companions and the thought of my Inquisitor and I'm ready to step into her shoes. But as others have said...missing Queens/Kings don't usually get forgotten about... My other Wardens that aren't ruling Ferelden? I'm cool with headcanon in those cases.

[raging_monkey]

I think the wardens story may end in this game. I have a feeling we will see the corpse of our warden or ghoul/ghost and depending on choices we get reaction from say morrigan or leliana . I cant see future dlc or the next game as he/she is 2 powerful for a low level game/no connection to new gamers/2 much time has passed
Not going to be shocked if hawke also dies in this game. I bet he/she dies in the begining before the inquisition is formed. The inquisition reminds me of the fellowship of the ring and we are the ringbearer. Why else wouldnt hawke help

fortunatly they wont kill him or else risk complete G1 fans hate

[modernfan]

Wild speculation here, but considering Leliana's comment that the disappearance of the Warden & Hawke was no coincidence & Mr. Gaider's statement that the Warden wouldn't be in Inquisition 'sort of' - I'm dreaming of a Warden DLC where you can recreate your Warden's face & get a substantive story which offers closure.  I could not throw enough money at my tv screen for such a DLC.