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Plot holes:why developers in the ending of DA2 they use the state of disappeared for warden and now confirm the not appearence in the game?


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#76
Fearsome1

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Still?

 

Every so often yet another voice cries out for "resolution" over the fate of their Warden. The fact remains that for quite a few players the Warden died slaying the Archdemon, plus this is the very scenario for one of Bioware's main default backgrounds (dalish female warden); so it's pretty obvious that any possibility of a DA:O Warden/Warden-Commander appearing again is - problematical.

 

I've always felt that Bioware deserves a bit of leeway and understanding over the open ended fate of their original franchise character. However if some way is found to have our surviving Warden make the scene during Inquisition, that would be a nice surprise!


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I will say this, I hope the Warden's disappearance is not glossed over, for the exact reasons you bring up here. It should still be a major event in the world. The disappearance of the Queen/King of Ferelden will have a serious impact on the world, and even the loss of a Warden which went on to other activities would still be noted. I just hope it's a major event that isn't explained. That you see the effects of the Warden's diappearance, just not the cause of it, or the resolution of it.

 

On the other hand, since sparing the Architect in Awakening apparently made you something of a Base Breaker within the Wardens, I could see half of the Wardens being glad to be shot of you and your maverick antics. As much as a hero as you are, the Warden does tend to make a lot of unilateral decision without any oversight, as well as break a whole ton of the rules of the Order, only bothering to inform their superiors after the fact.

 

I'm eager to see what Blackwall's opinion of the Warden is going to be. Instead of worshipping us as an icon, having another Warden absolutely hate us for our antics and call us out on some of our decision would be a nice little "Take That, Player".


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Wild speculation here, but considering Leliana's comment that the disappearance of the Warden & Hawke was no coincidence & Mr. Gaider's statement that the Warden wouldn't be in Inquisition 'sort of' - I'm dreaming of a Warden DLC where you can recreate your Warden's face & get a substantive story which offers closure.  I could not throw enough money at my tv screen for such a DLC.

Can't see this happening as for many people there Warden sacrificed themselves at the end of Origins to slay the Arch Demon, thus people may feel jaded for being locked out of DLC (or playing a different Warden) based on a choice they made in a previous game.  That could also cause people to not make that choice in future playthroughs or world generations if they feel it locks them out of a substantial amount of content.



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Please no, please don't make a warden DLC in Inquisition. I know people want to see their warden, but I'd rather play as the Inquisitor in DA:I.
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Please no, please don't make a warden DLC in Inquisition. I know people want to see their warden, but I'd rather play as the Inquisitor in DA:I.

 

If they do, you don't have to buy it and folks who want it are happy.

 

I don't care either way, though I'm interested in what they're going to reveal about the Warden, if anything. I don't have to play him again, though.

 

I don't think anyone should worry, they'll resolve the disappearance in one way or another, I'd bet money on it.



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If they give you an ending , it mean the story of the Warden is OVER . DOne witH ! 

If they leave as it is , it give them more opening for more stories about your warden . 

The next game isn't about your warden but the Inquisitor . Which is fine , maybe the one after it will be about the warden..or Hawke..or Flemeth..or Gamlen....

They already gave the Warden an ending. Several you could pick from actually.

Then they decided they were going to do something with him again in DA:II's sequel and threw the original ending out the window.

 

Of course that was all before DA:II's poor reception, and they decided to cancel the "Exalted March" expansion, and in the process left two characters just hanging.

So yes, I would like to see them resolve these things. And as far as I can gather, they're actually planning on doing this.

 

IIRC Bioware once stated that each game would be about a different protagonist, so the Warden and Hawke's stories were pretty much done anyway, except for the brief cameo the Warden would get in Exalted March (Where I assume Hawke would've still been the protagonist since it was to be an expansion).

It's probably also why Hawke is likely to have a greater role in DA:I. The character was originally meant to do more.


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No matter what choice they made, regarding the Warden, they were screwed. A portion of the fans would be crying and "preorder cancel"ing even if the Warden was present but now had a voice. All I care about is that the choices I made in DAO are respected. I didn't like the way Leliana seemed to just move on in DA2 when she said we'd be together forevs.

 

I'm looking to the future. The Warden is the past and has a good chance of being dead in many World States. If not killed while slaying the archdemon, then his/her Calling will be coming up in a decade or so.



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*scratches head*

 

While I'd like some closure for my surviving Wardens that 'went missing'....for me all it needs to be is a mention, like another grey warden mentions something about the HoF. Or we find codex entries in a Warden stronghold and we read about the fate of the HoF. Plus, it's mentioned that Wardens who join during a blight, the blight sickness progresses faster, and everyone responds differently to the clight sickness.....so a decent possibility that BW could just say 'Your Warden went to their calling' There, end of Warden story. (I mean, anyone with a Warden knows that's likely the ending for them anyway) and.....it's been over 10 years (10 years!!) since the end of DA:O.......

 

Wardens go after Dark spawn.

 

DAI looks to be issues with fade and demons. Why would the Wardens be strongly involved? (although I like the idea of the Quizzy having to liberate Wardens from Corphy)

 

Hawke kind of makes sense that they would be around, after all, the hapless-wonder Hawke either set some things in motion (Corphy), was there when stuff went down and may feel some responsibility......or Hawke could just be one of those really bad-luck types that is always in the wrong place at the right time.



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*scratches head*

 

While I'd like some closure for my surviving Wardens that 'went missing'....for me all it needs to be is a mention, like another grey warden mentions something about the HoF. Or we find codex entries in a Warden stronghold and we read about the fate of the HoF. Plus, it's mentioned that Wardens who join during a blight, the blight sickness progresses faster, and everyone responds differently to the clight sickness.....so a decent possibility that BW could just say 'Your Warden went to their calling' There, end of Warden story. (I mean, anyone with a Warden knows that's likely the ending for them anyway) and.....it's been over 10 years (10 years!!) since the end of DA:O.......

 

Wardens go after Dark spawn.

 

DAI looks to be issues with fade and demons. Why would the Wardens be strongly involved? (although I like the idea of the Quizzy having to liberate Wardens from Corphy)

 

Hawke kind of makes sense that they would be around, after all, the hapless-wonder Hawke either set some things in motion (Corphy), was there when stuff went down and may feel some responsibility......or Hawke could just be one of those really bad-luck types that is always in the wrong place at the right time.

 

By that mindset Alistair should be dead as well by Inquisition, and he is not. This whole "we won't see the warden because they went to their calling" feels more like an convenient excuse rather then an actual reason.


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#85
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Maybe have the Warden's disappearance be the subject of rumours in the tavern, with people creating wild theories on what happened to them?

 

My personal theory;

 

Spoiler

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#86
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Not really, considering every single person I know that plays DA both on and off these forums want resolution.  It's not just about me, it's about a huge swathe of the fanbase that would like it.  I can even live without an appearance, but I would like closure one way or another.

 

I imagine we will get closure at some point, even if it's not this game.  Unfortunately, it's really difficult to bring the Warden back.  So many variables to account for, and whatever they do, so many people are gonna be disappointed.  We all have expectations of what our Wardens have been doing, and how we want them to end up (mine ideally dying alone, swarmed by darkspawn, going through with the Calling).  

 

But we'll see.  We know we won't see them in Inquisition, but we may hear of what they've been up to.  



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I imagine we will get closure at some point, even if it's not this game.  Unfortunately, it's really difficult to bring the Warden back.  So many variables to account for, and whatever they do, so many people are gonna be disappointed.  We all have expectations of what our Wardens have been doing, and how we want them to end up (mine ideally dying alone, swarmed by darkspawn, going through with the Calling).  

 

But we'll see.  We know we won't see them in Inquisition, but we may hear of what they've been up to.  

 

Many people are already disappointed because the warden won't show up. I personally hate this whole rumor thing. It just scream lazy because the devs didn't wanted to bother in making something a little more complex.



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You left out sandal. :)

 

and Ser PounceCerlot don't forget him



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and Ser Pounce Cer lot don't him

But doesn't the cat come with Anders....?  <_< 



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Have they officially stated that the HoF will not be back. The only comment I have heard was the one that the warden in the last trailer was not our warden.



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Have they officially stated that the HoF will not be back. The only comment I have heard was the one that the warden in the last trailer was not our warden.

 

Mark Darrah said they aren't going to include the Warden in Inquisition...sort of. The sort of was part of his quote, don't remember the exact quote but I remember the "sort of".


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Please no, please don't make a warden DLC in Inquisition. I know people want to see their warden, but I'd rather play as the Inquisitor in DA:I.

Uh, I'm not too fond of the Warden DLC in Inquisition idea either because usually a DLC is short and can be easily discarded or doesn't feel like it's truly connected to the main story. I want to see my Warden in Inquisition, but I know better than dwelling on it at this point...that said the Inquisitor have 150+ hours of screen time so I fail to see how the Warden or Hawke will overshadow the Inquisitor. I also noticed you don't seem to have a problem with Hawke presence in DAI so it's pretty bias don't you think? :P



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Mark Darrah said they aren't going to include the Warden in Inquisition...sort of. The sort of was part of his quote, don't remember the exact quote but I remember the "sort of".

 

Okay, I missed that one. Thanks for clearing it up.



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Bioware should have said straight off the bat if the Warden wasn't going to appear in Inquisition.  With the mention of him/her being missing, which was odd and out of place and therefore built up some sort of expectation as to where we might see the Warden next, it was going to disappoint a lot of people when it turned out they weren't going to pick up that thread in Inquisition.


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Mark Darrah said they aren't going to include the Warden in Inquisition...sort of. The sort of was part of his quote, don't remember the exact quote but I remember the "sort of".

 

So we get more convos about our warden or a codex entry that would be more than enuff for me, sides I honestly thing it too hard to have my warden in the game cos as RPG heroes goes he's near Super Saiyan level of power and Bioware would need sagas that last ages to document his awesomeness which would mean an entire game stretching into the next gen perhaps beyond i'm sure your own Wardens just as OP DAO's combat system being what it was


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If they do, you don't have to buy it and folks who want it are happy.

I don't care either way, though I'm interested in what they're going to reveal about the Warden, if anything. I don't have to play him again, though.

I don't think anyone should worry, they'll resolve the disappearance in one way or another, I'd bet money on it.

If they do make one, they will use time and money. Time and money they could use for a DLC with the Inquisitor.

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So we get more convos about our warden or a codex entry that would be more than enuff for me

If we get a convos that's reference to the Warden it's expected and accpetable, but codex entry is just lazy.



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Hawke is for sure alive at the end f DA2.

 

the warden can very well be dead at the end of DAo, it's as simple as that if you ask me and was the proper decision by bioware.



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By that mindset Alistair should be dead as well by Inquisition, and he is not. This whole "we won't see the warden because they went to their calling" feels more like an convenient excuse rather then an actual reason.

 

No, he shouldn't. The time a Grey Warden has before they go on their Calling depends on the person. It could always be that the Warden/Hero of Ferelden goes on their Calling after 12 years, whereas Alistair goes on his Calling in twenty years.


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At the end of Dragon Age 2, when Cassandra leaves the Hawke estate, Leliana approaches her. Cassandra informs Leliana that Hawke is missing... "just like the Warden."

 

EDIT:  :ph34r: 'ed

And Leliana counters w/ "That is no coincidence ... it is in the Maker's hands now."

 

Who knows, maybe the Warden and Hawke got into a drinking contest and Hawke won.


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