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Plot holes:why developers in the ending of DA2 they use the state of disappeared for warden and now confirm the not appearence in the game?


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#151
PhroXenGold

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Did you shut the game off before Leliana said that it was no coincidence?

 

Leliana thinks it's no coincidence. And that's not an unreasonable conclusion - two of the most important figures in recent history both disappearing around the same time. But it doesn't necessarily meant she's right.



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but sticking with disappearing act is hardly not a good stand point. Nobody likes loose ends.

 

From what the original tweet about it stated it sounds like we probably will find out the wardens fate we just won't see him/her/it.



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It should probably be taken into consideration an expansion to DAII was planned when they made that ending.



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Anyone read this? Just FYI: http://forum.bioware...dai/?p=17414031

 

 

A couple of things, to clarify without giving away much in the way of spoilers:

 

The Warden of DAO will not be seen in-game, as you already know.

 

He/she is more than simply mentioned in passing, however. There is some story, though I won't say more than that.

 

If you were expecting DAI to be "the continued adventures of the DAO Warden", however, then no, it will definitely not be that. I feel quite comfortable in saying that will never happen, sorry.

 

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I think i'll hear about the Warden for sure!

 

He's dead in my story anyway :P



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Apparently "Disappear forever" is the new slogan for DA protagonist. funny

After DAI the inquisitor and Hawke will do that to
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Anyone read this? Just FYI: http://forum.bioware...dai/?p=17414031

 

 At least that's....something.



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Apparently "Disappear forever" is the new slogan for DA protagonist. funny

After DAI the inquisitor and Hawke will do that to

 

Hawke already disappeared forever. Just not doing a very good job of it, apparently.

 

*Joke about Hawke being inept goes here*


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Apparently "Disappear forever" is the new slogan for DA protagonist. funny

After DAI the inquisitor and Hawke will do that to

 

Bioware said early on, that once the game is finished the Protagonist from the game is no longer the player's. Bioware can, and will do what they want with the character. Nothing wrong with that at all. They have been upfront and frank about that bit from the get-go. The warden is tied to Darkspawn trouble anyway. Its his job. DA:I doesn't have darkspawn as the main threat at all. No reason for the warden to be too involved. Hawke I can easily see why he is involved. The mage + Templar war is raging on, and he is very much tied to it. Hawke makes sense in DA:I, the warden (as far as we know) doesn't really have any reason to be involved.


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Bioware said early on, that once the game is finished the Protagonist from the game is no longer the player's. Bioware can, and will do what they want with the character. Nothing wrong with that at all. They have been upfront and frank about that bit from the get-go. The warden is tied to Darkspawn trouble anyway. Its his job. DA:I doesn't have darkspawn as the main threat at all. No reason for the warden to be too involved. Hawke I can easily see why he is involved. The mage + Templar war is raging on, and he is very much tied to it. Hawke makes sense in DA:I, the warden (as far as we know) doesn't really have any reason to be involved.

 

Have they actually said The Warden will not be in the game? It seems like they are just being coy about it just like how they were about multiplayer ,and we all know how that turned out:whistle:



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Have they actually said The Warden will not be in the game? It seems like they are just being coy about it just like how they were about multiplayer ,and we all know how that turned out :whistle:

 

 

Look at the Gaider quote posted further up on this page ;)



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Apparently "Disappear forever" is the new slogan for DA protagonist. funnyAfter DAI the inquisitor and Hawke will do that to

It's a Bioware thing.

Hero of Neverwinter (Neverwinter Nights)
Revan (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)
Hero of Ferelden (Dragon Age: Origins)
Commander Shepard, in a way (Mass Effect)

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It's a Bioware thing.

Hero of Neverwinter (Neverwinter Nights)
Revan (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)
Hero of Ferelden (Dragon Age: Origins)
Commander Shepard, in a way (Mass Effect)

 

Hey, they resolved Revan's story.

 

 

Sure, given how it turned out, I wish they hadn't, but they did resolve it...



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Have they actually said The Warden will not be in the game? It seems like they are just being coy about it just like how they were about multiplayer ,and we all know how that turned out :whistle:

 

Yeah, they confirmed The Warden wouldn't appear in the game either yesterday or the day before or this morning. I lose track of time. They were PREVIOUSLY being coy about it, which is why people are complaining that they've left it this late (after being coy about it for so long) to just suddenly say "Nope, not in the game."

 

Of course, not appearing in the game doesn't mean not mentioned, nor that the disappearance won't be explained.



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Look at the Gaider quote posted further up on this page ;)

 

Huh well thats some wackness, oh well it most likely be story  DLC :lol:



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Hey, they resolved Revan's story.

 

 

Sure, given how it turned out, I wish they hadn't, but they did resolve it...

 

Alternate timeline. Didn't happen ;)


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The warden will be resolved eventually. Probably DA4 or maybe you start to find out stuff in Inquisition or future inqusition dlc.

 

As for the warden disappearing being a plothole: Its not. If you go through the eluvian no one but morrigan would no where you ended up and if you don't, you go missing  investigating whatever the 'big super curious really important tome that I want to know what it is soooo badly' that morrigan gives you at the end of witch hunt.



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Yeah, they confirmed The Warden wouldn't appear in the game either yesterday or the day before or this morning. I lose track of time. They were PREVIOUSLY being coy about it, which is why people are complaining that they've left it this late (after being coy about it for so long) to just suddenly say "Nope, not in the game."

Of course, not appearing in the game doesn't mean not mentioned, nor that the disappearance won't be explained.

That is what I don't understand why they didn't say it in the first place what could they possibly had to gain by holding this out for so long and giving people false hopes. that is cruel, even for them. Very cruel.

maybe they like the whole swooping the rugg from peoples feet.

Swooping is bad right

Probably lay blame that we interpretate the messages wrong, but overall the responsibility lies whoever makes the statesment.

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They have said that you will be able to customize the Warden and Hawke in the actual game.  So, if your Keep import says "Custom Warden" then it will ask you to customize your warden's appearance at the same time as your Inquisitor, same with Hawke.

 

EDIT: OKay, just read last post... I'd not seen that latest thing that they finally said an absolute no to the Warden returning.  That kinda sucks.



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That is what I don't understand why they didn't say it in the first place what could they possibly had to gain by holding this out for so long and giving people false hopes. that is cruel, even for them. Very cruel.

maybe they like the whole swooping the rugg from peoples feet.

Swooping is bad right

Probably lay blame that we interpretate the messages wrong, but overall the responsibility lies whoever makes the statesment.


Do you ever listen to yourself? You sound like a child. No one is "to blame". Bioware didn't do anything wrong. There are numerous problems with putting the warden in the game. You got excited that they would be one. They're not in. Be disappointed, then get over it.
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Yeah, they confirmed The Warden wouldn't appear in the game either yesterday or the day before or this morning. I lose track of time. They were PREVIOUSLY being coy about it, which is why people are complaining that they've left it this late (after being coy about it for so long) to just suddenly say "Nope, not in the game."

 

Of course, not appearing in the game doesn't mean not mentioned, nor that the disappearance won't be explained.

 

I think the fact that they won't further desecrate the battered corpse of the Warden after the character assassination in DA:A is a good thing. 



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Bioware should have said straight off the bat if the Warden wasn't going to appear in Inquisition.  With the mention of him/her being missing, which was odd and out of place and therefore built up some sort of expectation as to where we might see the Warden next, it was going to disappoint a lot of people when it turned out they weren't going to pick up that thread in Inquisition.

Saying something straight out off the bat is never a great marketing strategy.



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I think the fact that they won't further desecrate the battered corpse of the Warden after the character assassination in DA:A is a good thing.

What character assassination?

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The argument that "The Warden would have solved Kirkwall!" makes no sense to me.  She's not Superman, going around and solving the world's problems.  She's a Grey Warden, she fights darkspawn.  Why would she go to Kirkwall and solve the Mage-Templar Conflict before it even begins?  

 

No one could have solved Kirkwall. The Band of Three codex entries make that pretty clear and it's a shame that such crucial plot information was hidden in a very spotty collection game that most players miss. The entire city is an old Tevinter blood engine and everyone in it is slowly being driven insane by the thinness in the Veil. That's why you're tripping over blood mages every few feet as opposed to the rest of Thedas. That's why the Arishok went bonkers. That's why there are demons around every corner. No one is immune except, maybe, Hawke (The Only Sane Man/Woman). But Hawke was pretty insane to begin with.

 

Everyone is going mad. The Warden would have gone mad too because there's no way they could've known. (Unless the devs put in a quest where you chase the Band of Three and even then, short of advocating a peaceful solution to a problem for which both sides are too far round the bend to see sense, there would be very little they could do except abandon the city).

 

Dragon Age 2 works on a different moral system than Dragon Age: Origins. In DAO, the only fanatic you really had to deal with was Loghain. Everyone else could be intractable, but they were mostly reasonable. In Dragon Age 2, everyone is fanatical about something and more than that the entire story dealt with politics between extreme factions for which there was no compromise. Yay, religion. *waves flag*

 

However, I do think the developers opened a can of worms when Cassandra states that Hawke is "gone, just like the Warden". Implying that these two disappearances are linked and therefore suggesting there's something going on which will involve them. No, it doesn't promise a satisfactory conclusion or even state we'll see them again in the flesh. It just implies that there will be more from both of them, that they're involved in whatever crisis is occurring, that this is not the end. It's a cliffhanger and it acts as a denial of headcanon closure for players. The Warden is sitting in the Nether Realm at present, lingering on as a tease for future games. Hopefully, DA:I will provide some sort of closure to their story and we can finally be done with them.


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I wonder is they meant the warden will not appear as they were inDao rather as The Warden Commander from DAA which has yet to be confirmed or denied. Loophole I say :o Because DAA is consider a new begininng and the WC is alive