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[Lady Shayna]

Maybe I'm in the extreme minority, but I liked what they did with Revan. The fight with him was cool in SWTOR.

And I despise it. That's fine - we just have very different expectations is all.

[AshesEleven]

And I despise it. That's fine - we just have very different expectations is all.

 

Yeah, and I completely understand why it's despised.  Which is why I think it's a bad idea for Bioware to show us the Warden.  It just won't end well.  

[Lady Shayna]

Yeah, and I completely understand why it's despised. Which is why I think it's a bad idea for Bioware to show us the Warden. It just won't end well.

Agreed. And to be clear, I don't believe they're going to pull a Revan. Based on what I've read on The Keep, they are going through extraordinary measures to bring in your choices, including who was romanced and such.

It's my opinion that no cameos for The Warden shows more respect, not less, and though I will admit to a little wariness about what's going to happen, my worst case scenarios (the Warden as completely different NPC and The Warden as boss fight) seem unlikely, so I'll wait and see.

[Sifr]

Which sucks. Indeed, I absolutely, positively Refuse to believe it's the real Revan. If that's really their be philosophy, I would prefer they not bother and just starting making games with predefined protagonists.

I mean, I likely wouldn't play the games, but I would consider it more honest.

But considering their current emphasis on player choice and freedom, I truly don't believe that...stuff like Revan is what they're getting at. I would prefer a reference to a quote to clarify, but historically their stance has been significantly different, and stuff like the Revan Thing is an extreme outlier.

 

I think SWTOR needed to make it more obvious that Revan was protesting too much when he insisted that the Emperor wasn't able to get inside his head even after 300 years of constant torture.

 

Because, well... I know that you're well-intention extremist at the best of times Revan, but stop for a moment and think about it? Doesn't unleashing a robot army bent on galactic genocide of anyone with Sith DNA sound exactly like what an insane megalomaniac like the Emperor would brainwash you to do? Given that Sith regularly kill their underlings, would sacrificing half his side to kill half of the Sith descendants and defectors in the Republic, really stop him from going ahead with this plan?

[Lady Luminous]

i not accept a state missing i hope see what happen with my protagonist a consistent ending,if he died,if he now is live or retired etc but a state of missing not is a good close for the more important protagonist of franchise.

 

 

warden need a state but the solution not is a disappeared state.

 

Actually, cliffhangers are a very revered ending to lots of stories. Just because it's not the ending you want doesn't mean it's a bad ending.

[Lady Luminous]

I don't know about you , but Morrigan never came off as a lady who need to be shielded and protected . She was shape shifting and wondering the wild where humans troops wouldn't dare go and at mere mention of those places they go shaking . And as for their kid , it isn't even a normal kid that need a baby sitter . Her showing up in DAI with no kid in toe...may just mean she may have left him beind in the mirror . Or maybe it grew faster then any human due to it not being...err..human ? 

 

As for the warden just sitting somewhere , we don't even know that . Usually someone who dissapear mean they are traveling in unkown region for some reasons . They are not hold up in some tower reading spells books. 

 

And because of this..tis why the warden won't be showing up . The DAI is about the Inquisitor . Maybe futur games will be about the warden (Everyone warden and everyone gender and everyone Li) . 

 

Unless they're Avernus  

[Verly]

Once again,  the warden disappears at the end of Awakening. They just mentioned it again in DA2.   it also does not matter if you never played Awakening as it happens regardless.  

[dsl08002]

Actually, cliffhangers are a very revered ending to lots of stories. Just because it's not the ending you want doesn't mean it's a bad ending.

you have to elaborate that point. which stories?

[leaguer of one]

you have to elaborate that point. which stories?

Many series: Ender's shadow, ME, Hunger games, Lord of the rings, Harry potter,Doctor Who, star trek, star wars....

[leaguer of one]

I think SWTOR needed to make it more obvious that Revan was protesting too much when he insisted that the Emperor wasn't able to get inside his head even after 300 years of constant torture.

 

Because, well... I know that you're well-intention extremist at the best of times Revan, but stop for a moment and think about it? Doesn't unleashing a robot army bent on galactic genocide of anyone with Sith DNA sound exactly like what an insane megalomaniac like the Emperor would brainwash you to do? Given that Sith regularly kill their underlings, would sacrificing half his side to kill half of the Sith descendants and defectors in the Republic, really stop him from going ahead with this plan?

This is a guy who blow up a planet to end a war.......

[dsl08002]

Many series: Ender's shadow, ME, Hunger games, Lord of the rings, Harry potter,Doctor Who, star trek, star wars....

none of these alternative has cliffhangers in it.

[Lady Luminous]

you have to elaborate that point. which stories?

 

Let's see... Of the top of my head there is... Inception, Shutter Island, most horror movies ever..., Pretty Little Liars is going on 5 seasons worth of clifhangers... If I Stay (Gayle Forman), So Yesterday (Scott Westerfeld), This is Not a Test (Courtney Summers), The Giver (Lois Lowry), The Fault in Our Stars,...

 

I'll admit some are ambiguous more than cliffhangers, but I find them to still be in the same realm. 

 

That's all I can think of right now. I'd have to do more research, but is that enough? 

[Tielis]

Mark Darrah said they aren't going to include the Warden in Inquisition...sort of. The sort of was part of his quote, don't remember the exact quote but I remember the "sort of".

 

http://forum.bioware...-dai/?bioware=1

[dsl08002]

Let's see... Of the top of my head there is... Inception, Shutter Island, most horror movies ever..., Pretty Little Liars is going on 5 seasons worth of clifhangers... If I Stay (Gayle Forman), So Yesterday (Scott Westerfeld), This is Not a Test (Courtney Summers), The Giver (Lois Lowry), The Fault in Our Stars,...
 
I'll admit some are ambiguous more than cliffhangers, but I find them to still be in the same realm. 
 
That's all I can think of right now. I'd have to do more research, but is that enough?

Shutters island was a movie that the audience went in with high hopes and left with a depressing and suicidal look. The others I cannot say. but usually movies or series that has cliffhangers usually is only watched once then they can be found further back in your movie drawer. This are not my words, but from a movie critic

[Lady Luminous]

Shutters island was a movie that the audience went in with high hopes and left with a depressing and suicidal look. The others I cannot say. but usually movies or series that has cliffhangers usually is only watched once then they can be found further back in your movie drawer. This are not my words, but from a movie critic

 

Really? I adore cliffhangers/ambiguous endings. Everything I've listed I watch and read over and over. 

 

As I said in my other post: just because you don't like the ending doesn't make it a bad story. 

[leaguer of one]

none of these alternative has cliffhangers in it.

What?

ME-How are we going to bet the reapers, the dlc arrival

Lotr-every book ends of a cliffhanger but the last one.

Star war-revenge of the sith.

Doctor who-every 2 parter story, every series long plot.

Harry potter-every book except the last one.

[Jester]

What?

ME-How are we going to bet the reapers, the dlc arrival

Lotr-every book ends of a cliffhanger but the last one.

Star war-revenge of the sith.

Doctor who-every 2 parter story, every series long plot.

Harry potter-every book except the last one.

These are not cliffhangers, because in instances that you mentioned, the story isn't over.

 

"Inception" is an example of a cliffhanger, because the story is over, and you don't really know how it was resolved.

[David Gaider]

It's been stated elsewhere, but I'll just say it again:

 

All we've said is that you won't see your DAO Warden appear in-game.

 

That does not mean he/she is not mentioned. It does not mean he/she is not in any way involved in the story, or that you won't find out what happened to him/her with regards to the "disappearance". It also doesn't mean that any of these things definitely will happen either, of course, but to assume the lack because it's not stated outright doesn't really follow. We're not going to re-assure you further, other than to let you play the game and find out for yourselves.

 

If the suggestion is that saying the DAO Warden went missing at the end of DA2 meant implying they would play a larger role in the sequel, however, as in that they would appear in person...sorry if someone finds that disappointing, but as cool as that might (potentially) have been, I don't think that follows either.

 

We collect a lot of information on the choices in previous games to let you build a consistent world state, and those choices will play into DAI in various ways. That's all I'll really say on the topic.

[Lady Luminous]

These are not cliffhangers, because in instances that you mentioned, the story isn't over.

 

"Inception" is an example of a cliffhanger, because the story is over, and you don't really know how it was resolved.

 

Although you could argue in the sense of something like... Lost or Gossip Girl that while the story was eventually resolved, the series was made up of individual cliffhangers? 

[Lady Luminous]

It's been stated elsewhere, but I'll just say it again:

 

All we've said is that you won't see your DAO Warden appear in-game.

 

That does not mean he/she is not mentioned. It does not mean he/she is not in any way involved in the story, or that you won't find out what happened to him/her with regards to the "disappearance". It also doesn't mean that any of these things definitely will happen either, of course, but to assume the lack because it's not stated outright doesn't really follow. We're not going to re-assure you further, other than to let you play the game and find out for yourselves.

 

If the suggestion is that saying the DAO Warden went missing at the end of DA2 meant implying they would play a larger role in the sequel, however, as in that they would appear in person...sorry if someone finds that disappointing, but as cool as that might (potentially) have been, I don't think that follows either.

 

We collect a lot of information on the choices in previous games to let you build a consistent world state, and those choices will play into DAI in various ways. That's all I'll really say on the topic.

 

Thanks for popping in David, I personally appreciate your reassurance on the topic.  

[TheEternalStudent]

These are not cliffhangers, because in instances that you mentioned, the story isn't over.

 

"Inception" is an example of a cliffhanger, because the story is over, and you don't really know how it was resolved.

A cliffhanger is when you syop before the story is over, when nerves are high. Cliff hangers are pauses, if you end without resolving your plot, that's not a cliffhanger, that's ending without resolving the plot threads.

[Lady Luminous]

Let's see... Of the top of my head there is... Inception, Shutter Island, most horror movies ever..., Pretty Little Liars is going on 5 seasons worth of clifhangers... If I Stay (Gayle Forman), So Yesterday (Scott Westerfeld), This is Not a Test (Courtney Summers), The Giver (Lois Lowry), The Fault in Our Stars,...

 

I'll admit some are ambiguous more than cliffhangers, but I find them to still be in the same realm. 

 

That's all I can think of right now. I'd have to do more research, but is that enough? 

 

Oh! Thought of another reaaally good one: Memento!

[Jester]

A cliffhanger is when you syop before the story is over, when nerves are high. Cliff hangers are pauses, if you end without resolving your plot, that's not a cliffhanger, that's ending without resolving the plot threads.

Well, you can hardly say, that a story which is planned from the beginning but released in pieces that each tell a separate story of its own, have each episode ending in a cliffhanger.

 

Okay, each example in detail:

 

ME-How are we going to bet the reapers, the dlc arrival

Lotr-every book ends of a cliffhanger but the last one.

Star war-revenge of the sith.

Doctor who-every 2 parter story, every series long plot.

Harry potter-every book except the last one.

 

ME - you know you are fighting Reapers, Sovereign is destroyed along with Saren in the end of Mass Effect 1 - that particular plot is resolved. Collectors are destroyed in ME2, ending that plot line - so it doesn't end in a cliffhanger. Reapers coming at the end of Arrival/base game is merely a preview of the story that will be dealt in the third game.

LotR - Every book/movie ends the particular part of the journey. Fellowship disbands, Saruman is defeated, Sauron is defeated. 

SW - RotS is a prequel, and everybody knows what follows after the Sith victory. Each individual movie also ends a particular plot line. (Death Star, Yoda training and truth about Vader, the Emperor, Trade Federation and mysterious Sith, Clone army, Anakin's fall)

Doctor Who - While you can argue, that particular episodes end in cliffhangers, a whole season never does.

Harry Potter - Each book - one semester in Hogwarts'. Each is a story on it's own.

 

Now, I can give you an example of a cliffhanger - the last episode of fourth season of The Walking Dead. It leaves all heroes in a nasty, unresolved situation, and you have to wait till next season to see the resolution. Previous 3 seasons did NOT end in cliffhangers, because - as in examples before - they each finalize a particular part of a larger journey.

 

Although you could argue in the sense of something like... Lost or Gossip Girl that while the story was eventually resolved, the series was made up of individual cliffhangers? 

 

Hmm, I would like to answer, but I'd have to first watch those series . Unfortunately I'm not familiar with either. 

[Navoletti]

thanks for respond David gaider,well much people wait for warden after of hawke is confirmed in the tráiler and bioware never say nothing.

 

why wait much time for say "warden not appear in DAI only is mentioned?developers have the idea of a cameo of him and cancel the decisión for  technical problems?

 

have a plan for future games(protagonist or npc) or the fate of him finish in this game?

[David Gaider]

thanks for respond David gaider,well much people wait for warden after of hawke is confirmed in the tráiler and bioware never say nothing.

 

why wait much time for say "warden not appear in DAI only is mentioned?developers have the idea of a cameo of him and cancel the decisión for  technical problems?

 

have a plan for future games(protagonist or npc) or the fate of him finish in this game?

 

We haven't said anything about deciding to put the DAO Warden in the game and then removing him/her... where are you getting this, exactly?

 

As for why we didn't say so right away--probably because we don't make a habit of revealing all story elements ahead of time, nor answering every story-related question just because people think to ask them. Those questions will, after all, be answered once you play the game.