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[emark.mark20]

I know this may sound weird but I was just looking at the DA wikia and had a Mike Laidlaw tweeting something about rogues being  "able to do superhuman things due to guile"

https://twitter.com/...331684926881793

 

http://dragonage.wik...on)#cite_note-0

 

This got me thinking, how the heck can a Rogue Hawke and Isabela disapear and reapear in the back of an enemy just like that?

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Backstab

 

I was given the impression that they are just normal people who happen to be badass like Batman. Furthermore, Cole from Dragon age Inquisition is stated to be some sort of spirit (Like justice from awakening) but gameplay wise, he is a Rogue.

 

Could I be misinterpretimg this tweet or am I reading this right? If the latter, that would be so cool if the rogue can use magic. Could justify some of their stealth abilities. What do you think?

[Elhanan]

From the little I know from past games, Rogue abilities are intertwined with skill and items. Rather than a spell that allows for stealth, both skill and possible alchemical use explains the Rogue's ability to vanish from sight.

[Icy Magebane]

Even Batman can't do the stuff DA rogues can... I chalk it up to the people of that universe being metahumans.  Depending on how they train their skills, they can pull of superhuman abilities... or at least, things that would mark them as superhumans on Earth.  On their own world, it's considered normal.  Mages, on the other hand, go far beyond this due to their connection to the Fade.  That is why you can't concentrate really hard and learn to throw fireballs... etc... just some wild theories so feel free to disregard them and instead chalk it up to gameplay/story segregation or something.  I think my explanation is more fun though...

[Chernaya]

Skill over power. I just see rogues as masters of illusion. 

[NoForgiveness]

For Cole, magic does make him invisible but for varric or Sera, no.

[Serza]

Smoke pellets. Do you even Batman?

 

This man should know.

 

He's the Dark Knight.

[PrinceLionheart]

Well the Tempest Specialization essentially makes you an Alchemist, so there's that.

[AresKeith]

Even Batman can't do the stuff DA rogues can... I chalk it up to the people of that universe being metahumans. Depending on how they train their skills, they can pull of superhuman abilities... or at least, things that would mark them as superhumans on Earth. On their own world, it's considered normal. Mages, on the other hand, go far beyond this due to their connection to the Fade. That is why you can't concentrate really hard and learn to throw fireballs... etc... just some wild theories to feel free so disregard them and instead chalk it up to gameplay/story segregation or something. I think my explanation is more fun though...

Batman can do anything

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I know this may sound weird but I was just looking at the DA wikia and had a Mike Laidlaw tweeting something about rogues being  "able to do superhuman things due to guile"

https://twitter.com/...331684926881793

 

http://dragonage.wik...on)#cite_note-0

 

This got me thinking, how the heck can a Rogue Hawke and Isabela disapear and reapear in the back of an enemy just like that?

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Backstab

 

I was given the impression that they are just normal people who happen to be badass like Batman. Furthermore, Cole from Dragon age Inquisition is stated to be some sort of spirit (Like justice from awakening) but gameplay wise, he is a Rogue.

 

Could I be misinterpretimg this tweet or am I reading this right? If the latter, that would be so cool if the rogue can use magic. Could justify some of their stealth abilities. What do you think?

You're not the first one to come to that conclusion, but I believe what's happening is instead similar to the concept of an "Extraordinary Ability" from Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 edition. This is an ability that comes through serious physical training of some sort and allows non-magical characters to do things that nonetheless leave you wondering. To quote the SRD: "Extraordinary abilities, though they may break the laws of physics, are nonmagical, don’t become ineffective in an antimagic field, are not subject to any effect that disrupts magic... They are, however, not something that just anyone can do or even learn to do without extensive training."

 

(This is of course not true when we're speaking of Cole, since while he probably usually follows the laws of physics and optics he is not in any way bound by them. He really is a magical being.)

[The Baconer]

Visuals in combat are an approximation of what is really happening. Tempests and Artificers will allow Rogues to have their own brand of in-universe pseudo-magic via SCIENCE.

[Lulupab]

Cole is possibly the first "magical rogue".

[Dragons74]

Even Batman can't do the stuff DA rogues can... I chalk it up to the people of that universe being metahumans. Depending on how they train their skills, they can pull of superhuman abilities... or at least, things that would mark them as superhumans on Earth. On their own world, it's considered normal. Mages, on the other hand, go far beyond this due to their connection to the Fade. That is why you can't concentrate really hard and learn to throw fireballs... etc... just some wild theories to feel free so disregard them and instead chalk it up to gameplay/story segregation or something. I think my explanation is more fun though...

This is the theory I subscribe too. Also Batman companion dlc would be hilarious/awesome.

[Icy Magebane]

Batman can do anything

I wasn't aware that he had something in his utility belt that let him move faster than the Flash and instantly appear behind an opponent.    Maybe that's something in the New 52 Universe that I'm not familiar with...

[Incantrix]

Science is magic. Rogues will excel at science. 

 

And honestly, warriors aren't magical at all unless you include the Templars bootleg magic skills from lyrium over-dose. 

[In Exile]

Even Batman can't do the stuff DA rogues can... I chalk it up to the people of that universe being metahumans.  Depending on how they train their skills, they can pull of superhuman abilities... or at least, things that would mark them as superhumans on Earth.  On their own world, it's considered normal.  Mages, on the other hand, go far beyond this due to their connection to the Fade.  That is why you can't concentrate really hard and learn to throw fireballs... etc... just some wild theories to feel free so disregard them and instead chalk it up to gameplay/story segregation or something.  I think my explanation is more fun though...

 

Batman does things that are obviously superpowered. Besides being an what basically amounts to a magician except with technobabble instead of spells. 

[metatheurgist]

I wasn't aware that he had something in his utility belt that let him move faster than the Flash and instantly appear behind an opponent.    Maybe that's something in the New 52 Universe that I'm not familiar with...

Superheroes can do anything their writers want them to do. Whether the fans are happy about it is another matter.

[In Exile]

I wasn't aware that he had something in his utility belt that let him move faster than the Flash and instantly appear behind an opponent.    Maybe that's something in the New 52 Universe that I'm not familiar with...

 

Batman thinks so fast he can anticipate the Flash, and he knew where they were fighting anyway because he was Batman so he already booby trapped the whole place, but he built this anti-flash gun/net/blowhorn soo too bad. 

 

Batman stories amount to a five year old going "Nuh-uh, he's got an anti super speed shield!" 

[Icy Magebane]

Superheroes can do anything their writers want them to do. Whether the fans are happy about it is another matter.

lol... truer words have never been spoken...

 

Whoops... that is no longer true now that I've noticed this...

 

Batman thinks so fast he can anticipate the Flash, and he knew where they were fighting anyway because he was Batman so he already booby trapped the whole place, but he built this anti-flash gun/net/blowhorn soo too bad. 

 

Batman stories amount to a five year old going "Nuh-uh, he's got an anti super speed shield!" 

 

The DA rogues haven't quite reached this point, but that's probably because I don't consider them to be on the level of normal humans in the first place...

[Solrest]

Cole will definitely be the first actual magic rogue we've seen due to reasons found in Dragon Age: Asunder. The previous rogues moved as they did in game simply for style and gameplay.

[Icefalcon]

Batman thinks so fast he can anticipate the Flash, and he knew where they were fighting anyway because he was Batman so he already booby trapped the whole place, but he built this anti-flash gun/net/blowhorn soo too bad. 

 

Batman stories amount to a five year old going "Nuh-uh, he's got an anti super speed shield!" 

Reminds me of the old "Prep Time" arguments on the DC board of how Batman could do anything with enough prep time.  There was lots of nah nah nah about it and thumbing noses

[karushna5]

I mean the Tempest is an alchemist which is kinda magical, so that is pretty cool but not beyond what we have heard they are capable of.

[metatheurgist]

Reminds me of the old "Prep Time" arguments on the DC board of how Batman could do anything with enough prep time.  There was lots of nah nah nah about it and thumbing noses

Batman's real power is time travel. He actually goes back in time and sets up his winning conditions each time he looses (Bill and Ted style). He built his time machine because he wanted to go back and save his parents. The real reason he's so dark is because after he built the machine he realised due to a quirk in the way the machine works he couldn't travel back beyond the point of the machine's initial creation. This is why he's always so pissed off.

[thats1evildude]

Batman has a superpower: he's able to inflict potentially life-threatening injuries on his adversaries and somehow not fill up several entire graveyards with dead street thugs and costumed psychopaths.

"Doctor, the victim has two broken arms, several broken ribs, a broken collarbone, numerous cuts and severe head trauma. His legs are shattered in 15 places and he was left suspended by his ankles for over an hour, which caused him to lose consciousness."

'"My God, how is he still alive?"

"Batman inflicted the wounds."

"Oh, well, that explains it. Just slap some bandages on him and put him in the Batman recovery ward. He should be fine."

[Reptillius]

Really. As corny and boring as it sounds.  DA Rogues are much more "Look! Over there!" *runs around behind you as you are bizarrely that easily distracted*  Than they are magical for the most part.  Them kind of teleport backstabbing didn't really come about until DA:II when they wanted to make combat much flashier and action oriented.

 

As for Cole. Cole is Batman and Batman Cheats. He even admits it.