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[Remmirath]

I'd be more concerned if it was confirmed that we were going to see the Warden, given that there's essentially no chance we'd actually be able to play the character.

The only way I ever want to see a previous PC show up is if they are again a PC. I realise that this is almost certainly not going to happen, and apparently that's not even going to mean that we never will see them again, but that doesn't change my opinion. I'd far rather only see the effects they have had on the world and assume they're still out there somewhere than run into any NPC-ified PCs. Even with the Champion I'm dreading it a bit, but it would've been so much worse with the Warden.

I suppose that just goes to show how far removed computer roleplaying games are from tabletop roleplaying games in most people's minds (and I even agree that they are quite different in general). I've a hard time imagining anybody who would be happy if their DM told them they'd always have the chance of running into their old PCs, only under DM control, but apparently a significant number of people are happy and even more not unhappy with hearing the same thing about Dragon Age. Eh.

This Doesn't seem like a cop out to you?

Speaking for myself, seeing an old PC and not being able to play the character would feel a great deal more like a copout. Sometimes nothing is better than something.

[In Exile]

I'd be more concerned if it was confirmed that we were going to see the Warden, given that there's essentially no chance we'd actually be able to play the character.

The only way I ever want to see a previous PC show up is if they are again a PC. I realise that this is almost certainly not going to happen, and apparently that's not even going to mean that we never will see them again, but that doesn't change my opinion. I'd far rather only see the effects they have had on the world and assume they're still out there somewhere than run into any NPC-ified PCs. Even with the Champion I'm dreading it a bit, but it would've been so much worse with the Warden.

I suppose that just goes to show how far removed computer roleplaying games are from tabletop roleplaying games in most people's minds (and I even agree that they are quite different in general). I've a hard time imagining anybody who would be happy if their DM told them they'd always have the chance of running into their old PCs, only under DM control, but apparently a significant number of people are happy and even more not unhappy with hearing the same thing about Dragon Age. Eh.


Speaking for myself, seeing an old PC and not being able to play the character would feel a great deal more like a copout. Sometimes nothing is better than something.

 

I agree. They'd be this weird doppelganger that says that they're my old PC, but they're not. 

[RealityMachina]

 Also the Dark Ritual by its very nature need to be almost pointless and non-world affecting. It is not canon and if the storyline is too important you can not build world states for those that did not do it.

Um...

 

To quote the Keep thread's OP in Scuttlebutt:

 
What choices will be reflected?
We don't know much about that yet, but it will definetly be a lot of choices. Cameron Lee said, there will be 300+ choices in the Keep.
It will contain all choices from Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age: Awaikening, Dragon Age 2 and all DLCs, no matter if you have bought and/or played them.
If you leave some choices uncecked, they will be filled with a default decision. That goes for DLCs aswell, everthing has happend, one way or another.

Witch Hunt is canon (along with every other plot DLC). A huge chunk of the reasons for the Keep is to allow being able to factor in decisions from DLCs without having to worry about the "but what about the people who didn't buy it and thus don't have set plot flags for it?" aspect. (I know some friends were irritated by ME3 basically penalizing you for not having bought Arrival if you imported a Shepard that didn't do that DLC.)

[LoudAngryJerk]

Minor Spoilers ahead, those of you that haven't finished Dragon Age 2 stop reading now!!!



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Anyone else besides me feel we've got a...Mass Effect 3 situation going on here with the confirmation the Hero of Ferelden, AKA The Warden, AKA The Warden-Commander will not be appearing in Inquisition? Despite the hints at the end of DA 2 that Hawke and The Warden's Disappearences are connected?

well for starters, even if this game turns out to be bad (which I doubt), mass effect and dragon age are two very different game franchises. Mass effect set out to tell a very specific trilogy (and now a potential second trilogy). Dragon Age was always intended to be much more like elder scrolls, where each game impacts the next, but theyre not making a trilogy or a specific number of games leading up to a final encounter. 

 

Second, given how little this game actually has to do with origins and the events therein, its not like it would be anything other than a minor disappointment. 

 

Third, mass effect 3 was an awesome game, with at worst a mediocre ending. 

 

Fourth, I don't have to worry because my warden died at the end anyway

[LoudAngryJerk]

I agree. They'd be this weird doppelganger that says that they're my old PC, but they're not. 

especially if they started doing things that you wouldnt have had them do. then it wouldnt be your character anymore.

 

no, it makes much more sense for characters who were influenced by the WC to show up, like Ogren, or Alistair 

[Nayawk]

Um...

 

To quote the Keep thread's OP in Scuttlebutt:

 

Witch Hunt is canon (along with every other plot DLC). A huge chunk of the reasons for the Keep is to allow being able to factor in decisions from DLCs without having to worry about the "but what about the people who didn't buy it and thus don't have set plot flags for it?" aspect. (I know some friends were irritated by ME3 basically penalizing you for not having bought Arrival if you imported a Shepard that didn't do that DLC.)

You do know you can play Witch Hunt on a PC that never did the Dark Ritual right?

 

Of course the choices from all DLC are taken into account. This doesn't make the Dark Ritual an official canon event.  Morrigan going through the mirror might be, but there being a OGB on the other side waiting for her is not.

[WazzuMan]

They do have plans for the "OGB", always have. That is why it was a choice in the first place and by making it a choice they also knew they'd have to make an alternative for those who sacrificed one of the Wardens instead. They kept telling us it will pay off, though I wouldn't expect it to before the "child" becomes an adult. I do expect al least a vague reference from Morrigan just to remind us he's still out there, doing whatever Old God Children do when their mothers are away.

[Nayawk]

They do have plans for the "OGB", always have. That is why it was a choice in the first place and by making it a choice they also knew they'd have to make an alternative for those who sacrificed one of the Wardens instead. They kept telling us it will pay off, though I wouldn't expect it to before the "child" becomes an adult. I do expect al least a vague reference from Morrigan just to remind us he's still out there, doing whatever Old God Children do when their mothers are away.

 

I agree it will be addressed for those that did it. But my original point was that the OGB can't have some huge major world shaping impact, if the OGB is a big massive deal then you end up with 2 world states that you can never have a single story run through and be coherent for both states. As I said earlier, by its very nature the OGB impact has to be relatively minor on the world.

 

The only way around the OGB not existing in a big chunk of the play throughs and still having it be a massive impact on the world states is to have a powerful figure rise and if its a non OGB run then its a new dude with a new backstory, if its a OGB run then its Morrigans bouncing joy. Personally I think thats a little weak in story telling but they really wrote themselves into to sticky mess with a damn god baby.

[Roses]

Personally, I would be completely fine with my Warden not appearing. I kind of had my game time with her and thanked her for the memories. Time to move on. I would of course like a conclusion as to where she went after the events in Awakening, but not more than that.

[WazzuMan]

I agree it will be addressed for those that did it. But my original point was that the OGB can't have some huge major world shaping impact, if the OGB is a big massive deal then you end up with 2 world states that you can never have a single story run through and be coherent for both states. As I said earlier, by its very nature the OGB impact has to be relatively minor on the world.

 

The only way around the OGB not existing in a big chunk of the play throughs and still having it be a massive impact on the world states is to have a powerful figure rise and if its a non OGB run then its a new dude with a new backstory, if its a OGB run then its Morrigans bouncing joy. Personally I think thats a little weak in story telling but they really wrote themselves into to sticky mess with a damn god baby.

 

 

Whose to say it has to be a new character. The idea of the Dark Ritual is basically making a deal with the devil to save your own life, so whose to say that in the absence of the OGB, you may be forced into making a deal with Flemeth later on. What I'm saying is whose to say Bioware doesn't have major world-shaking plans that revolve around whether the Warden did OR did not perform the Dark Ritual. Whose to say there won't be specific outcomes or repercussions depending on the choice you made and not whether or not you made a specific choice at one time. The writers at Bioware knew generally where they were going and what it could mean and even if they didn't that doesn't mean they can't work with it later on to make that choice meaningful.

 

In other words, wait and see. Like I said before given the point in the timeline, it's not likely relevant for Inquisition.

 

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As for the Warden (be they the Hero of Fereldan or Orlesien Warden-Commander), I'm fine with them not showing up. Their story for the most part has already been told and if they chose to bring them back it wouldn't really be the same. You can't copy/paste the characters from Origins, not with the new engine and visuals and then you have the voice thing. Too many complications and for those new to Dragon Age, it won't mean anything. Better to leave the Warden be. Let them do their own thing elsewhere until they eventually drop dead.

 

I noticed some people took that conversation at the end of DAII as some confirmation that the Warden AND Hawke both disappearing meaning they both have major roles to play later. I did not. What I interpreted it as is that the world is in chaos and two of its most recent living heroes suddenly going AWOL meant they were both otherwise occupied by something that was potentially related to what was happening. Meaning the Seekers couldn't count on their support so they needed new heroes to step up. That interpretation is more inline with what the devs have said about Dragon Age being more a story about a world with many heroes, rather than A hero's story. While there is a story surrounding the Warden's absence that we will be hearing about in some form according to the devs, it is not just the Warden's story, it never was.

[ShadesX1]

I'd honestly be happy to hear the Warden-Commander is directing all the Wardens in areas and that's why they don't appear...yes it would seem somewhat...cheap to me but I'd like to know WHERE the warden is. Honestly if your Warden survives this is the type of character to get involved in big messes (depending on how you like to play) it stands to reason their presence would be noticed.

[Muspade]

As far as I know, there will be a quest (Chain?) concerning The warden however he won't appear but will be referenced a lot.

I'm honestly satisfied, as I doubt they'd be able to portray a voiceful character with that many different endings "correctly" according to millions of people.

[ShinsFortress]

The Warden not being in it (if true) would not surprise me.

 

DA:O, awesome.  No Warden in DA:I.

DA2, bad.  Hawke's in.

 

The way Bioware does things now, I would not be surprised.

 

Unless of course Bioware are planning a new mini-series about the Warden, separate from the events of DA:I.  One can hope.

[Todrazok]

No warden doesn't really concern me, ultimately the game is about the inquisition. I do think though we'll get some hints if not concrete info on what the warden is up to. Trailers have shown the wardens as enemies, and i imagine whatever the warden is up to will have some connection to that.

[ShadesX1]

The Warden not being in it (if true) would not surprise me.

 

DA:O, awesome.  No Warden in DA:I.

DA2, bad.  Hawke's in.

 

The way Bioware does things now, I would not be surprised.

 

Unless of course Bioware are planning a new mini-series about the Warden, separate from the events of DA:I.  One can hope.

I actually like Hawke, both Origins and 2 had their faults. Origins was a little better but it had things I didn't like same with 2. But I didn't hate Hawke, I missed selecting races but Hawke was a fun character and so were his/her companions. I just want some resolution with the warden really, I can see HOW Hawke is easier to bring into Inquisition physically after all. Hawke already has 2 voice actors for their gender; the player defined hawkes personality and appearence and decisions (which will be dragged along should you choose that) so naturally Hawke's easier the warden a little more difficult. I really just want resolution after all I had 2 male wardens both who went through the dark ritual, both who chased morrigan and went with her at the end of witch hunt so I NEED to know where that leads! That seemed pretty bloody important to me?!

[Savvie]

In the beginning, I wanted my warden to reappear just like Hawke, but I have come to accept why it's not happening. This is a bit off-topic,but if Bioware continues with future DA games, I hope they go in a similar direction like ME 4. I would like to see a future DA game that has a whole new group of people (including no reoccuring characters), brand new storyline (not tied to storylines in the prior DA games), and even a different time period within Thedas. I think that's what Bioware initially wanted DA franchise to be was a whole new world created where different stories will be developed overtime.

[JudgeOverdose]

As far as the topic goes, I'm pretty sure they said back after the Awakening expansion to DAO that, "the Warden's story is over."

 

I'm pretty sure we will never actually see the character in game again, and that is not a big deal to me, really. I do remember seeing Alistair in DA2 for the first time, and being really excited, and I remember seeing some of the other characters and being really excited about that, too. I even went so far as to replay part of Origins to ensure that Zevran wouldn't turn on me, just so I could see him.

 

It would be cool to see our Warden again, but I'm pretty sure it's not in the cards; I've kind of let the dream die; if it happens someday, sweet -- otherwise, it's not a big deal to me.

[dsl08002]

The warden is not appearing and i have come to terms with it. I dont agree with that decision, thinking its a mistake not to include the warden.

But i have come to terms with it.

But my fear is this: they have said that it will be a story behind it. But im not so sure i want to take that leap of faith. the story itself may be quite cheap. I just hope that they will address and conduct this seriously. And not simply throwing a quickly made up story.

[PhroXenGold]

The warden is not appearing and i have come to terms with it. I dont agree with that decision, thinking its a mistake not to include the warden.

But i have come to terms with it.

But my fear is this: they have said that it will be a story behind it. But im not so sure i want to take that leap of faith. the story itself may be quite cheap. I just hope that they will address and conduct this seriously. And not simply throwing a quickly made up story.

 

A crappy explanation is my biggest concern regarding the warden. I'd much rather they just left it a mystery than throw in some cheap story that doesn't fit my character...

[ShadesX1]

A crappy explanation is my biggest concern regarding the warden. I'd much rather they just left it a mystery than throw in some cheap story that doesn't fit my character...

Seconded, it's a fine line really...cheap explanation bad, full explanation good.

[TruffleMeister]

The Dark Ritual and Witch hunt are things that carry over; but let's not also forget that Morrigan and Leiliana are both in Inquisition to some degree and who knows who else being that those two alone were Warden Companions as well as love interests makes it all the more annoying the warden won't appear. HOW can you do that and not expect fans to get annoyed? "Oh your Warden was there but now their gone and their love interest is just wandering around doing whatever with no concern for them whatsoever"...What? Let's not forget you have the option in Origins of becoming King/Queen alongside Alistair or Anora. So in the case of the people who went that route...the King/Queen just VANISHES?! NO it's lazy stupid writing.

OMG PREAAAAAAAAAAAAACH!!! Especilly the King/Queen part, that's exactly what I've been saying!!!

[PhroXenGold]

The Dark Ritual and Witch hunt are things that carry over; but let's not also forget that Morrigan and Leiliana are both in Inquisition to some degree and who knows who else being that those two alone were Warden Companions as well as love interests makes it all the more annoying the warden won't appear. HOW can you do that and not expect fans to get annoyed? "Oh your Warden was there but now their gone and their love interest is just wandering around doing whatever with no concern for them whatsoever"...What? Let's not forget you have the option in Origins of becoming King/Queen alongside Alistair or Anora. So in the case of the people who went that route...the King/Queen just VANISHES?! NO it's lazy stupid writing.

 

I don't neccesarily agree that it is lazy writing not to have them appear (and indeed I feel this holds true even if they don't explain the disappearance - not everything needs to be revealed) provided the consequences of their disappearace are properly explored. Leliana should, if indeed she was the Warden's lover, be deeply torn between her duty to the Divine and the Inquisition and her desire to discover what happened to her partner. In the Warden became ruler of Ferelden, then that nation whould be in turmoil due to their disappearance. The diappearance of such an important figure should have consequences.

[dogstar12]

I don't neccesarily agree that it is lazy writing not to have them appear (and indeed I feel this holds true even if they don't explain the disappearance - not everything needs to be revealed) provided the consequences of their disappearace are properly explored. Leliana should, if indeed she was the Warden's lover, be deeply torn between her duty to the Divine and the Inquisition and her desire to discover what happened to her partner. In the Warden became ruler of Ferelden, then that nation whould be in turmoil due to their disappearance. The diappearance of such an important figure should have consequences.

 

The fate of the Warden needs to be told. The disappearance of a important character is to vital not to be explained. If Bioware don't put the warden in the game then they are lazy like with the Mass Effect 3 ending .

[PhroXenGold]

The fate of the Warden needs to be told. The disappearance of a important character is to vital not to be explained. If Bioware don't put the warden in the game then they are lazy like with the Mass Effect 3 ending .

 

Why is it too vital not to be explained? What's wrong with leaving it a mystery? I just can't see the problem with leaving things like this unresolved. Now, I would expect the writers to have some idea of why the warden disappeared, but I don't feel it in anyway necessary to explain that to us. What if the explanation is just not something the Inquisitor can be in a position to discover? In many ways, I find that not discovering such things makes the world more believable and immersive. Things aren't always resolved in real life, why should they be in games? (I can see why some people don't like it, but I don't see why it it is lazy or bad writing or whatever not to explain it)

[dsl08002]

The Dark Ritual and Witch hunt are things that carry over; but let's not also forget that Morrigan and Leiliana are both in Inquisition to some degree and who knows who else being that those two alone were Warden Companions as well as love interests makes it all the more annoying the warden won't appear. HOW can you do that and not expect fans to get annoyed? "Oh your Warden was there but now their gone and their love interest is just wandering around doing whatever with no concern for them whatsoever"...What? Let's not forget you have the option in Origins of becoming King/Queen alongside Alistair or Anora. So in the case of the people who went that route...the King/Queen just VANISHES?! NO it's lazy stupid writing.

it does actually seem cheap and beige not to act on it.