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[dantares83]

truce. No matter who your Inquisitor supports in DAI, it would be like DA2 (both mages and templars revolted no matter who you support; a common complaint about the lack of consequences of your choices), it will once again be on middle-ground.

 

It is the only way to continue making more Dragon Age games without creating vastly different worlds. They cannot have a game where one playthrough have mages run about freely and the other where they are still locked in towers. This is why the boon you made in DAO is retcon because it will take so much resource to create two different worlds.

 

So unless they are willing to conclude Dragon Age (and perhaps bring about the next age where there is new conflict), no matter who you support in DAI, it would not matter much.

 

Prepare yourself before all the complaints about the lack of directconsequences for your choices (aka DA2 and ME3).

[Master Warder Z_]

It's what I've been saying for years.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I suspect that may be in case but pretty much if this will happen i will end with da series im rly not intrested in dealing with same conflicts and problems over and over again.

 

As i said if they can't handle imports anyway so they bring every world states into same thing save for minor stuff they should leave that and focus making choices matter in game and provide with real epilogues that show how thing went after game and then make next game canon showing scenario with certain choice.

 

Somehow i doubt that series will go for long if they will touch same stuff and ignore choices because of save import.  

[thesuperdarkone2]

Didn't Gaider say that he disapproved of the fact that ME3 had a peace option between the Geth and Quarians? In that case, I believe there will likely be no peace option and you will have to choose a side. However, I wonder if it is mandatory to get involved in the war or will it be reduced to a side quest type deal.

[raging_monkey]

At first i wanted a truce and still do but it adds to the story to pick a side

[veeia]

Dance party!!

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

They stand in a circle around the campfire, holding hands and sang songs of peace.

[Sifr]

Didn't Gaider say that he disapproved of the fact that ME3 had a peace option between the Geth and Quarians? In that case, I believe there will likely be no peace option and you will have to choose a side. However, I wonder if it is mandatory to get involved in the war or will it be reduced to a side quest type deal.

 

I liked the fact you got to make peace, but I hated the fact that the only ending that permanently rid the universe of Reapers (ie. the goal since day one) forced you to sacrifice the Geth  and EDI to do it.

 

Of course, the Geth-Quarian conflict was rather easy to resolve when you get down to basics, so I can see why some might have seen that option as being somewhat unrealistic. It would be kind of like if someone walked into the Middle East and immediately managed to end the many thousands of year-long conflicts between various groups just by shouting at them... when honestly, even a Paragon Shepard wouldn't be able to pull that off in a million years!

 

Realistically, a truce is the only thing that can possibly happen between the Mages and Templars, with the ideal outcome being more autonomy and more freedoms so they can live outside of the Circle once they passed the Harrowing. Just those two things would probably be enough of a win for most Mages to want to end the conflict.

[dantares83]

Didn't Gaider say that he disapproved of the fact that ME3 had a peace option between the Geth and Quarians? In that case, I believe there will likely be no peace option and you will have to choose a side. However, I wonder if it is mandatory to get involved in the war or will it be reduced to a side quest type deal.

 

i think we would choose a side and then it is all 'let's all just settle down and dance once the breach is fixed' moment.

 

because unless the next DA is a prequel (another age) or a sequel where right at the start of the game, the Mages and Templars are fighting again after a few years, they would have to create two vastly different worlds to 'respect' your choices, it is not gonna happen as the resources needed will not justify (especially if accordingly to statistics, one side is overwhemely the other).

 

just look at the games produced by Telltale games, no matter who you choose to save, they always die in the next few chapters (and that is becoming minor characters prior to that).

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Realistically, a truce is the only thing that can possibly happen between the Mages and Templars, with the ideal outcome being more autonomy and more freedoms so they can live outside of the Circle once they passed the Harrowing. Just those two things would probably be enough of a win for most Mages to want to end the conflict.

Ideal for who because for sure not me who will have to clean even more mess after them.

[Dark Helmet]

I'd hope they would have a bit more of a difference between choices but the pessimist in me knows that is unlikely.

[Althix]

complaints about the lack of 

as i mentioned many times before, there is no such thing as choices that matters, however there is an illusion of choice. so i am fine with somekind of canon story or canon events in the games. (like Arishok being killed by Champion or Alistair is a King of Ferelden.)

 

Honestly such approach gives more to me as a player, because i don't faceplam as often as i could. (for example zombie Leliana)

So, there should be something which will hold setting together, with minor changes in order to provide this illusion of power or choice for a player.

 

Another reason to actually appreciate game mechanics and design of these mechanics over, than let say... some kind of offshoots from the main plot.

[Lazarillo]

Depends on your definition of a "truce".  Most wars end with both sides eventually laying down arms against each other.  Of course, usually one side is forced to sacrifice more to get the other side to agree to that laying down of arms.  Just because the war ends with such doesn't mean that there can't necessarily be a winner and a loser.  And just because there's a winner and a loser doesn't mean that the player character will get to pick who the winner is.  Since we know very little about the whole story of the game still (and that will likely continue until maybe November 20-ish when people first start finishing it), it's very possible that there will be a compelling story reason for the player to have to remain on one side or the other in the end, just like how, say, Hawke couldn't help Arishok conquer Kirkwall.

[Sifr]

Ideal for who because for sure not me who will have to clean even more mess after them.

 

You're forgetting that a Mage Hawke kills just as many people as a Muggle Hawke, so it's not like Mages are the only ones causing havoc.

[Solrest]

There are plenty of other areas of Thedas that future stories could take us where The Mage/Templar issue is not the focus. I don't believe we're going to be doomed to the illusion of choice that seems to be the concern.

[TheJediSaint]

I was hoping it would end in an epic rap battle, myself.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You're forgetting that a Mage Hawke kills just as many people as a Muggle Hawke, so it's not like Mages are the only ones causing havoc.

They are protagonists they can take army of demons so well... pretty sure i didn't hear about non-mages causing blight or something like zathrian curse or single person that took down entire castle while creating army of undead.

[raging_monkey]

1...2.....3..

[Sifr]

They are protagonists they can take army of demons so well... pretty sure i didn't hear about non-mages causing blight or something like zathrian curse or single person that took down entire castle while creating army of undead.

 

True, but things like Loghain leaving half the army at Ostagar to get slaughtered by Darkspawn, the resultant Ferelden Civil War and Howe's attack on Castle Cousland all left huge death tolls in their wake and had absolutely nothing to do with mages.

 

The Ferelden Civil War probably caused more death and destruction in a month than a half dozen rogue apostates working together on Project Mayhem could manage in a year.

[Xilizhra]

I liked the fact you got to make peace, but I hated the fact that the only ending that permanently rid the universe of Reapers (ie. the goal since day one) forced you to sacrifice the Geth  and EDI to do it.

 

Of course, the Geth-Quarian conflict was rather easy to resolve when you get down to basics, so I can see why some might have seen that option as being somewhat unrealistic. It would be kind of like if someone walked into the Middle East and immediately managed to end the many thousands of year-long conflicts between various groups just by shouting at them... when honestly, even a Paragon Shepard wouldn't be able to pull that off in a million years!

 

Realistically, a truce is the only thing that can possibly happen between the Mages and Templars, with the ideal outcome being more autonomy and more freedoms so they can live outside of the Circle once they passed the Harrowing. Just those two things would probably be enough of a win for most Mages to want to end the conflict.

Keep in mind that this would be tantamount to defeat for the Circle, which is now independent. So it'd be a sizable blow to the idea that siding with the mages would have any meaning.

[Sifr]

Keep in mind that this would be tantamount to defeat for the Circle, which is now independent. So it'd be a sizable blow to the idea that siding with the mages would have any meaning.

 

This is of course, assuming that Circle is a benefit to Mage freedom, rather than a hindrance.

 

It was originally set up as a place of learning to advise mages seeking the proper use of their powers, before being morphed into a mandatory institution they were corralled into by force, so reforming the Circle along the same lines as before would probably lead to history repeating itself further down the line? We'd end up right back where we started in another millennium or two.

[Xilizhra]

This is of course, assuming that Circle is a benefit to Mage freedom, rather than a hindrance.

 

It was originally set up as a place of learning to advise mages seeking the proper use of their powers, before being morphed into a mandatory institution they were corralled into by force, so reforming the Circle along the same lines as before would probably lead to history repeating itself further down the line? We'd end up right back where we started in another millennium or two.

What would you do instead?

[Dark Helmet]

I was hoping it would end in an epic rap battle, myself.

 

Dance battle or a battle of the bands.

 

Mages have superior special effects but the Templars are more coordinated.

[Sifr]

What would you do instead?

 

I figure that the Circle would probably work more as a type of school, where you stay on until you've passed a rigid set of tests (similar to the Harrowing but much less lethal) to prove that you're trustworthy and responsible enough with magic, at which point you're free to come and go as you please.

 

Of course, you'd be required to live by the laws and codes of conduct set forth by the Circle, but the Mages are given more say in the enforcement of those laws. Basically, the legal system would have both the Mages and Templars holding equal powers and keeping each other in check, allowing the enforcement the rules as the Circle sees fit, without one side dominating the other as it does at the moment.

 

That way, the Mages would be able to put a legal defence to combat unfair accusations of things like Blood Magic, without the Templars simply branding you as Maleficar and putting you through Tranquility with zero-to-no proof, preventing such abuses of power like we saw in Kirkwall. This would also prevent people like Ser Alrik making people Tranquil simply to create a harem of neutered mages to serve as his playthings.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Just to make sure has it been 100% confirmed that we cannot pick a middle ground in the war and that we HAVE to choose a side