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[Xilizhra]

In the name of Ladylionhart, I will remake the thread that was tragically locked earlier.

This is the thread in which we may discuss the elven race and their various cultures, constructively and peacefully. In the interest of civil discourse, I request that no one here just spout unconstructive vitriol, hatred, ideas for creative mutilation/execution/rape, or any other form of pure negativity without providing reasonable and constructive suggestions for improvement (reasonably likely to be followed by the group in question) about any given race, ethnicity or cultural group, or personal attacks on other posters, as none of that is at all conducive to elven support (or any thread at all, really). Those who wish to do so have an abundance of other places in which to fulfill their wishes.

 

That being said, it's a fascinating and risky time for the elves at present, as evidenced by the introduction to the Dalish Inquisitor, whose Keeper sent them on a mission to spy on the peace summit. "What happened there, she said, would impact not only the Dalish but indeed all elves. She could not have known how right she was."

It seems that we have a somewhat optimistic forecast of the future of Inquisition as it pertains to elf-specific issues; with luck, they may be somewhat more related to the main plot than the Dalish were in Origins, and our race may even have more of an impact than it that game. With the year delay, they could do a lot of interesting things.

[Geth Supremacy]

Well they do need all the support they can get thats for sure.  Guess its good to keep the thread going.

[RobRam10]

You're right! Elven mages in Tevinter need to catch some break from the predujice wouldn't mind seeing an Elven Magister! But the mundanes? They're better off as slaves.

[Master Warder Z_]

City elves simply are infinitely more interesting to me then the Dalish and thus my interest in the elves featured in DAI is fairly limited when it comes to the PC.

Maybe a few city elves will be featured though.

Would be nice.

Certainly a step up from DA 2 where if they weren't a companion or a Dalish they don't exist.

[Xilizhra]

City elves simply are infinitely more interesting to me then the Dalish and thus my interest in the elves featured in DAI is fairly limited when it comes to the PC.

Maybe a few city elves will be featured though.

Would be nice.

Certainly a step up from DA 2 where if they weren't a companion or a Dalish they don't exist.

I would say that this is virtually certain, given that we're going to visit the Dales. Maybe we can help repair the damage Celene caused to Halamshiral.

[Drasanil]

Here's hoping the Dalish can manage one, just one, quest line with out doing this...

 

 

 

You're right! Elven mages in Tevinter need to catch some break from the predujice wouldn't mind seeing an Elven Magister! But the mundanes? They're better off as slaves.

 

Tevinter, the land of opportunity

[Dabrikishaw]

So it begins...

[Tevinter Rose]

You're right! Elven mages in Tevinter need to catch some break from the predujice wouldn't mind seeing an Elven Magister! But the mundanes? They're better off as slaves.

 

I was planning my first playthrough to be an elven mage that pledges fealty to Tevinter. I got the inspiration for her character from Devara in DAO.

[Xilizhra]

I was planning my first playthrough to be an elven mage that pledges fealty to Tevinter. I got the inspiration for her character from Devara in DAO.

Isn't Tevinter a bit too far away from the setting of this game for this to work?

[Tevinter Rose]

Isn't Tevinter a bit too far away from the setting of this game to work?

 

It probably won't be possible but I'm hoping there are a few times my character will be able to work with a faction related to them perhaps.

[Xilizhra]

It probably won't be possible but I'm hoping there are a few times my character will be able to work with a faction related to them perhaps.

Are you planning on romancing Dorian, by any chance?

 

And do you hope for this to lead to a benefit to elves as a whole, somehow?

[Frogtoad51]

The Shemlens can lock our elf threads as many times as they want but we will not be silenced!

[Tevinter Rose]

Are you planning on romancing Dorian, by any chance?

 

And do you hope for this to lead to a benefit to elves as a whole, somehow?

 

I am planning on romancing Dorian with a human in a later playthrough. I'm going to bombard him with questions about Tevinter.

Will it lead to a benefit for the elves as a whole? Maybe, maybe not it's hard to say, on the surface it would seem not, it depends on what options my character will have in the game. That character is more concerned for her well being than anything. I plan on creating a more Dalish focused elf as well, her agenda is going to be more for elven independence. I plan on making a variety of different elves with very different viewpoints.

[AresKeith]

I'd gladly support better lives for the City Elves

 

Dalish however, I dunno about them yet

[Xilizhra]

I am planning on romancing Dorian with a human in a later playthrough. I'm going to bombard him with questions about Tevinter.

Will it lead to a benefit for the elves as a whole? Maybe, maybe not it's hard to say, on the surface it would seem not, it depends on what options my character will have in the game. That character is more concerned for her well being than anything. I plan on creating a more Dalish focused elf as well, her agenda is going to be more for elven independence. I plan on making a variety of different elves with very different viewpoints.

Hmm, fair enough.

 

On another note, it's a shame about the vallaslin not being explained... but hopefully their meanings can be logically extrapolated. It's possible that not all will be dedicated to the Creators.

[JudgeOverdose]

The Dalish are a difficult nut to crack. Because there are different clans spread all over Thedas, and because those clans move frequently, it becomes a bit difficult to categorize the Dalish as a whole, or even form a solid opinion on them. Different clans have different leaders, and have been shaped by different experiences.

 

I think the general concept that the Dalish seek to reclaim their history and rise from the proverbial ashes of their past is awesome. I am excited to learn more about them if possible, because I think that their past could be one of the most interesting collections of lore in the game.

 

I know that the city elves are in a rough spot, and there is little for them to look forward to in most cases. With that in mind, I mean no offense in saying the following: They are generally a very defeated folk who have given in the despair that their former culture is lost and will not be reclaimed. But, there is nothing wrong with starting anew, and I think that if the right circumstances present themselves, the city elves will be able to rise above being second class citizens. The Masked Empire spoilers:

Spoiler

Especially if Briala can do something worthwhile with the Eluvian pathways. I know that her priority is the elves as a whole, but she will focus on the city elves first and foremost, due to her experiences with Dalish and their opinions of "flat ears." I'm hoping that we run into her during Inquisition, and to find out who Felassan was meeting with at the end of the book.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens with the elves, but I am hopeful that the Inquisition can do something to help make their lives easier.

[HiroVoid]

Dalish vs City Elves: Who wins?

[HiroVoid]

Eh.  It seems like City Elves have more numbers, but Dalish have way better training.  I guess it depends on the conditions you want to place too since it probably wouldn't even be much of a fight if city elves couldn't get access to proper weapons.  It can also help decide who could possibly contribute more to a military force for an elven army.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So since this threads covering tevinter, city, and dalish elves, why not add some chaos to the mix.

 

Elves used humans as slaves, teaching them magic in order to use them as attack dogs against their fellow elven kind. Hundreds of years of infighting and eldar death later, and the humans have outnumbered elves, both population wise and in terms of how many of them are mages. The humans rebel, the elves are forced into the positions humans were in centuries before, and the humans keep the elves governmental and cultural system going, thus leading to what is now known as the tevinter imperium. Centuries later, with humans now firmly sold on their superiority, they decide to erase that part of their history, leaving both the elves and the humans to live the ultimate lie, that humans arrived from a far off land, and conquered the seperate elf land, and that the elf kingdom was wiped out, instead of changed into the human civilization it is today.

[TK514]

I'm glad to see this, Xil.

 

I imagined earlier that there are three types of Elf fans related to the BSN: 

• The ones that let the elf detractors run over them and then ask for threads to be locked, admitting defeat and relegating elf discussions to threads where they are of secondary or tangential importance.
• The ones that allowed elf detractors to run them completely off the BSN, where they isolate themselves in pro-elf enclaves as far from non-elf fans as possible.
• And those, such as yourself, who are willing to 'die for the Dales', so to speak.

Good on you.

 

As for the elven content of DA:I, I hope you're right and they turn out to have decent story hooks, rather than simply being 'humans with pointy ears' for most of the game.

 

If the Elves do get some significant story, I hope it is them actually starting some positive change.  Thus far our exposure to the Dalish has been almost universally self-destructive.  Zathrian repeatedly taking his clan back to werewolf infested woods, Merethari ultimately causing the death or dissolution of her clan through obsession, Clan Virnehn summoning demons, and information stating that the clans basically just don't get along anymore all paint a picture of a people not ready for their own nation yet.

 

The Inquisitor could, potentially, be the start of turning that around.  Not the  conclusion, or even the whole solution, but a beginning.

 

The City Elves that follow Briala, however, would seem to be in for a rough time.  With a fresh demonstration of what happens when untrained peasants mistakenly believe that they are somehow safe from armed reprisal, open rebellion doesn't seem to be in the cards, and Briala's plan is too nebulous to actually offer any chance of success.  But again, it is possible they could offer something that allows them to negotiate for official support to address some grievances.  Nothing that will change almost a thousand years of prejudice overnight, but, again, a start.

 

Ultimately, I suppose it comes down to how much non-human content they've really managed to write and include in a single year of trying to get the game ready for release.  Given that for most of its development life the game was 'human PC only', and that the elves are sharing writer, artist and programmer resources with two other races, plus whatever else needed to be finished for humans, my expectations are modest.

[Drasanil]

So since this threads covering tevinter, city, and dalish elves, why not add some chaos to the mix.

 

Elves used humans as slaves, teaching them magic in order to use them as attack dogs against their fellow elven kind. Hundreds of years of infighting and eldar death later, and the humans have outnumbered elves, both population wise and in terms of how many of them are mages. The humans rebel, the elves are forced into the positions humans were in centuries before, and the humans keep the elves governmental and cultural system going, thus leading to what is now known as the tevinter imperium. Centuries later, with humans now firmly sold on their superiority, they decide to erase that part of their history, leaving both the elves and the humans to live the ultimate lie, that humans arrived from a far off land, and conquered the seperate elf land, and that the elf kingdom was wiped out, instead of changed into the human civilization it is today.

 

Honestly, too planet of the apes-y for my liking. 

[Lulupab]

Honestly, too planet of the apes-y for my liking. 

 

That's actually somewhat copied from Warcraft universe. High elves taught humans magic and in return used them in fighting trolls. Besides its full of contradiction as magic is not "taught", even Ghasts can be mages.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Honestly, too planet of the apes-y for my liking. 

 

It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Or lack precedence in the DA setting. After all, something similar happened with the elves being stricken from the chant of light. Give it a few more years, and a lot more proactively to keep the stricken part hidden, and before you know it, you've rewritten history.

[Roamingmachine]

Spoiler

 

 

These threads are the groundhogs day of bsn.  And oh look, the adb creatures are allready here.  Oh well, round 234. Come at me brah!

[Drasanil]

It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Or lack precedence in the DA setting. After all, something similar happened with the elves being stricken from the chant of light. Give it a few more years, and a lot more proactively to keep the stricken part hidden, and before you know it, you've rewritten history.

 

It's not so much the re-writing history part, as the elves using humans as attack dogs. If that was the case wouldn't 1) the humans be taking the brunt of the casualties through out, therefore preserving the elven population and preventing the humans from reaching critical mass for a rebellion and 2) even if they really, really, liked their attack dogs why would the elves ever teach the humans their most powerful magics, like blood magic, if anything they'd keep them like saarebas so that rebellion wouldn't be much of a possibility.

 

That aside, the idea of mass migration shifting indigenous populations feels more natural to me.