I am pretty unclear with the bubble and weapon damages anymore
IIRC, this precious biatch has on host DR when bubbled (i hacked that to 30% or smtg) but suffers double hits ? How much penetration wld U need ? (1 m wld be my guess)
Theres a thing with hitscan weapon damaging health directly ? What does that mean anway ? U ceretianly cant kill her without removing her barrier at some point
I shall go and search peddro's thread
Braindead Easy Method To Kill Phantoms On-Host (works even better Off-Host):
1. Use any high powered Shotgun or Sniper Rifle with Drill Rounds III or Armor Piercing Rounds IV
2. Use a projectile power on her
3. Make her bubble up
4. Quickly shoot her while she is bubbled up, preferably in the head
5. Move on to the next Phantom
YEah, should have gone read corlist's test.
I m feeling its a kind of shield gate, the 75 % DR on direct health damage.
You have everything that's known right there, no need for us to reply anymore. However yeah, it's assumed it is DR, but since it's the same amount that shieldgate, we can't really know without looking at the code I guess. Don't even know if such a difference is meaningful...
However, let me point out something that wasn't very clear for me at the start when I read those tests: the damage loss you ahve with hitscan weapons without enough penetration when they bubble is sometimes much higher than 75%. That's because *surprise!* you can't headshot them when they bubble, unless you have enough penetration for a double hit. So you're doing something like 10% of the damage you'd usually do. That's why there is SO MUCH difference between a headshot with a powerful weapon without enough penetration, and the same shot with the same loadout but with enough penetration for a double hit.
She has DR with the bubble because she is in evade. When you hit the bubble with weapon fire it does direct health damage. Appropriate ammo except for Phasic will do damage to her barrier. Phasic does zero damage to her when she is bubbled for some reason.
You need 2m to double hit her with a headshot.
You can tell that shieldgate isn't making a difference there because you can see the shot damage her health and potentially leave barrier at the same time.
Braindead Easy Method To Kill Phantoms On-Host (works even better Off-Host):
Another method:
Use any stagger weapon (Venom, Falcon, etc.)
Shoot Phantom with stagger weapon
Repeat until Phantom is dead
Optionally, you can throw a power at her to encourage her to bubble up first, but you don't have to.
You have everything that's known right there, no need for us to reply anymore. However yeah, it's assumed it is DR, but since it's the same amount that shieldgate, we can't really know without looking at the code I guess. Don't even know if such a difference is meaningful...
However, let me point out something that wasn't very clear for me at the start when I read those tests: the damage loss you ahve with hitscan weapons without enough penetration when they bubble is sometimes much higher than 75%. That's because *surprise!* you can't headshot them when they bubble, unless you have enough penetration for a double hit. So you're doing something like 10% of the damage you'd usually do. That's why there is SO MUCH difference between a headshot with a powerful weapon without enough penetration, and the same shot with the same loadout but with enough penetration for a double hit.
You need 2m to double hit her with a headshot.
You can tell that shieldgate isn't making a difference there because you can see the shot damage her health and potentially leave barrier at the same time.
For the shieldgate thing, it s a bit like U bypass barrier, so... I guess it s only making a difference on silver and bronze 
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I am pretty disapointed at the 2m thing, means AP IV is not enough. I m prety sure i do damge to bubbled phantom with my hurricane and only AP IV. Maybe not when she is bubbled .... I guess i m going drill rounds next time (gold solo hurricane HE vs cerb on glacier)
You might be able to double bodyshot her with less, I am not sure. The headshot normally needs 2m, you can tell because it takes Drill and not APIV on "headshot" weapons with no innate penetration.
You can also run into this on the GI Javelin setups with only HVB and spare clips if you ever try to bubble her while she is slightly behind cover... standard Phasic ammo setups can leave her with a sliver of health if you shoot at her through a little cover on Platinum. On Gold it doesn't matter as much since Javelin GI can potentially kill her just by shooting the bubble.
You might be able to double bodyshot her with less, I am not sure. The headshot normally needs 2m, you can tell because it takes Drill and not APIV on "headshot" weapons with no innate penetration.
You can also run into this on the GI Javelin setups with only HVB and spare clips if you ever try to bubble her while she is slightly behind cover... standard Phasic ammo setups can leave her with a sliver of health if you shoot at her through a little cover on Platinum. On Gold it doesn't matter as much since Javelin GI can potentially kill her just by shooting the bubble.
Well, i went drill, and it felt easier to deal wth bubble , i ll keep that in mind with those well rested drill rounds
Well, i went drill, and it felt easier to deal wth bubble
Drill round is a better choice than AP against Cerberus, usually.
Another method:
Use any stagger weapon (Venom, Falcon, etc.)
Shoot Phantom with stagger weapon
Repeat until Phantom is dead
Optionally, you can throw a power at her to encourage her to bubble up first, but you don't have to.
Or, this-
Shoot Phantom with stagger weapon
Headbutt/falcon punch/grenade to the face phantom while staggered
Dead phantom
Cobra gets around Phantom DR as well.
Not always, my friend... Not always 
Or edit coalesced, because screw Phantoms.
I feel this bubble DR is not the same as the moving flipping one, is it ?
I feel this bubble DR is not the same as the moving flipping one, is it ?
I'm pretty sure it's the same.
I think she has two different DR stats, and I reduced both to 30% each for Gold. "Evade" and "Shield" I think? I've seen it mentioned around here before.
Yeah but I'm not sure they apply one while flipping and on while bubbling... Could be tho, never tested. All I know is that changing both of them makes them have no DR whatsoever, more or less.
Acolyte + BURN ALL THE THINGS!!!!!!
Although my favorite is AH Cloak+Dark channel and leave..... she squeak a bit but eventually dies...
Braindead Easy Method To Kill Phantoms On-Host (works even better Off-Host):
1. Use any high powered Shotgun or Sniper Rifle with Drill Rounds III or Armor Piercing Rounds IV
2. Use a projectile power on her
3. Make her bubble up
4. Quickly shoot her while she is bubbled up, preferably in the head
5. Move on to the next Phantom
6. If you can't kill a Phantom like this, then don't force the bubble up, leave them to someone else, for example a Shadow who can onehit them... as long as there is no bubble.
What? Explain the bit on phasics. Is it just the ammo damage that is nullified or something more?I freqently use a phasics equipped QFI Widow with a single piercing mod and standard extended barrel, and she has no problems in headshotting a bubbled gold phantom. 2.1M of penetration if I am not mistaken. Plat phantoms are left with a sliver of health usually.She has DR with the bubble because she is in evade. When you hit the bubble with weapon fire it does direct health damage. Appropriate ammo except for Phasic will do damage to her barrier. Phasic does zero damage to her when she is bubbled for some reason.
You need 2m to double hit her with a headshot.
You can tell that shieldgate isn't making a difference there because you can see the shot damage her health and potentially leave barrier at the same time.
Graal!
If that fails. MOAR GRAAL! ... and a Krogan happy backslap to the face!
Actually, I kill quite a lot of Phantoms with Tech Armour (Krentinel) on host ...
1: charge Graal
2: run at Phantom
3: fire Graal (it'll stagger her if you don't kill her outright)
3.1: if the Phantom is still alive (i.e. missed the headshot) heavy melee
3.2: if the Phantom is still alive (not yet in Rage mode) detonate Tech Armour
Pretty much the same tactic works on Ravagers too - but it's normally an idea to throw a Lift nade at them first so you don't end up targeting a Swarmer with the melee... detonating Tech Armour at the end kills the swarmers dropped and you can generally come away with 50% or less shield loss.
What? Explain the bit on phasics. Is it just the ammo damage that is nullified or something more?I freqently use a phasics equipped QFI Widow with a single piercing mod and standard extended barrel, and she has no problems in headshotting a bubbled gold phantom. 2.1M of penetration if I am not mistaken. Plat phantoms are left with a sliver of health usually.
The linked thread discusses it. The ammo damage from Phasics is not applied if you shoot the Phantom's bubble. The weapon damage is. Since the weapon damage does direct health damage, there are several infiltrator setups that can one-shot them through the bubble nearly regardless of ammo choice with the Javelin, at least with a double hit. GI does enough damage potentially that you don't even need a double hit with the Javelin on Gold.
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