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[efd731]

*looks at all the "'insert DAI LI here' is ugly" threads that have been made*

Um, I don't think everyone agrees that all the options are "hawt".

Dude, just make your Avatar a wet blanket Allready give people some fore-warning lmao. But the consensus (at least here) is the LI's are all appealing. The majority of people who care for romances are rather pleased(on the BSN). And even though the LI's this Time aren't all "traditionally" hot, bioware obviously tried to make them appealing to a majority of players. We have yet to have a character in DA designed by the devs to be viewed by most as ugly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dude, just make your Avatar a wet blanket Allready give people some fore-warning lmao. But the consensus (at least here) is the LI's are all appealing. The majority of people who care for romances are rather pleased(on the BSN). And even though the LI's this Time aren't all "traditionally" hot, bioware obviously tried to make them appealing to a majority of players. We have yet to have a character in DA designed by the devs to be viewed by most as ugly.

What are you talking about? I think the LIs look great.

I was just saying that there has been at least one "*insert LI here* is ugly" thread a week here so not everyone things all the LIs are "hawt" like the poster I quoted was saying. 

[efd731]

What are you talking about? I think the LIs look great.
I was just saying that there has been at least one "*insert LI here* is ugly" thread a week here so not everyone things all the LIs are "hawt" like the poster I quoted was saying.

I was trying to point out that I believe you misinterpreted the previous post. Bioware makes attractive LI's. Not to everyone, but they make them with the intent of mass appeal, to be viewed positively/as attractive by as any people at once. They have yet to throw a LI our way designed to be ugly/unattractive.

[Farci Reprimer]

This thread.....ITS A TRAP!

 

[efd731]

This thread.....ITS A TRAP!

And I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids and your damn dog

[karushna5]

I will say that it is ridiculous the amount of LIs needed to fuel more gating, unless people are arguing for 10 companions, all romanceable with their own nit picks gating it more is unreasonable.

Also the amount of people calling "race gating" good because it is realistic is troubling. The truth is, out of all the realism possible in a romance, somehow disliking a particular race makes them more interesting vs things that are less shallowly based like... loss of spark, it really just being a fling and wanting nothing more(and there being no more content) Cheating with someone else in the party. Fighting with other party members to win your LI's affections.

 

That is all realistic. It also, at least to me, sounds terrible. That somehow "racegating" is more realistic and better than those up above when it is superficial at the very least and at most very deeply racist, bogles me.

I would prefer less LI's to gated ones.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I was trying to point out that I believe you misinterpreted the previous post. Bioware makes attractive LI's. Not to everyone, but they make them with the intent of mass appeal, to be viewed positively/as attractive by as any people at once. They have yet to throw a LI our way designed to be ugly/unattractive.

Do the alien LIs in Mass Effect count? Because if so, I think Garrus counts. He is awesome, but attractive is a word I don't think the majority of people would use. 

[Uccio]

With all this gating there should be more option available then. As a human freedom loving blood mage player I get only two human female LI´s, a she-hulk butch chantry zealot enforcer and some chantry zealot npc side character. So not a single anti-chantry women available.

 

Thanks.

 

Where are elven, qunari and dwarven female LI´s for straight male gamers?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

With all this gating there should be more option available then. As a human freedom loving blood mage player I get only two human female LI´s, a she-hulk butch chantry zealot enforcer and some chantry zealot npc side character. So not a single anti-chantry women available.

 

Thanks.

 

Where are elven, qunari and dwarven female LI´s for straight male gamers?

Please provide your source that says Josephine is "some chantry zealot". As the person who runs the Josephine thread, I have never seen this. 

 

That said, I agree that there should have been more racial variety for the straight male characters. They are the only orientation bound to one race. 

[Muspade]

Where are elven, qunari and dwarven female LI´s for straight male gamers?

In DA2 and DA: O.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In DA2 and DA: O.

You realize by doing this, you open up Pandora's Box? I can see it now: 

 

"The *insert orientation here* got their options in Inquisition. They don't need any more since they can play that game." 

[Muspade]

You realize by doing this, you open up Pandora's Box? I can see it now: 

 

"The *insert orientation here* got their options in Inquisition. They don't need any more since they can play that game." 

 

This topic is a pandora's box, Kallen.

[Uccio]

Please provide your source that says Josephine is "some chantry zealot". As the person who runs the Josephine thread, I have never seen this. 

 

That said, I agree that there should have been more racial variety for the straight male characters. They are the only orientation bound to one race. 

 

 

I don´t have anything, but my gut feeling says so since she is Lelianas friend and Leliana is divines own zealot assassin. Also, all of the first grade followers are somehow related to the chantry or templars. So why would this side npc be any different?

[Uccio]

In DA2 and DA: O.

 

 

That is not helpful at this point, and some are still lacking.

[Muspade]

Also, all of the first grade followers are somehow related to the chantry or templars. So why would this side npc be any different?

 

"First grade followers"? 

Varric, Dorian, Iron Bull, Sera, Cole?
 

 

That is not helpful at this point, and some are still lacking.

Wasn't mean't to be helpful. Good thing this is a franchise, though since you find things lacking.

[PhroXenGold]

I don´t have anything, but my gut feeling says so since she is Lelianas friend and Leliana is divines own zealot assassin. Also, all of the first grade followers are somehow related to the chantry or templars. So why would this side npc be any different?

 

Just to note, believing in Andraste and the Maker, even being part of the chantry, doesn't make you a zealot...

[Uccio]

"First grade followers"? 

Varric, Dorian, Iron Bull, Sera, Cole?

 

Well, Varric actually expresses doubt about helping mages in the final battle so he has some sympathy for the system, also he is just a dwarf who works in shady business. Not much to gloat about besides being Hawkes sidekick. As for the these other second grade followers: Dorian is a runaway, Iron Bull is also a runaway, Sera some elven from the woods and Cole a ghost. Hardly a bunch with any leverage. They have only themselves to bring in the battlefield.

[Uccio]

Just to note, believing in Andraste and the Maker, even being part of the chantry, doesn't make you a zealot...

 

It kind of does, chantry supports circle system. Incarceration of people by inborn trait. Bunch of rasists who think mages are not truly human. Yep.

[PhroXenGold]

It kind of does, chantry supports circle system. Incarceration of people by inborn trait. Bunch of rasists who think mages are not truly human. Yep.

 

Supporting the Circle because you believe the alternative is worse (and, given that our one example of the alterative is the Tevinter Imperium, it's not in any way irrational to have that belief - it might be wrong but it's not irrational or unreasonable) does not make one either a zealot or a racist. And the Circle System is a very very small part of the Chant.

[Uccio]

Like I said, zealot rasists. It´s not either or situation. Freedom for mages does not automatically mean Tevinter Imperium 2.0. Expecially since most of the circles are in countries which have a long history of andrastian faith. Mages can be andrastian you know.

 

But now I digress from the topic. 

[PhroXenGold]

Like I said, zealot rasists. It´s not either or situation. Freedom for mages does not automatically mean Tevinter Imperium 2.0. Expecially since most of the circles are in countries which have a long history of andrastian faith. Mages can be andrastian you know.

 

But now I digress from the topic. 

 

I didn't say holding that belief is right - in fact I explicitly stated this - but that it is perfectly logical belief to hold, and holding it doesn't make you either racist or a zealot. Believing that, say, people with severe metal illness which could result in them harming others should be kept in a secure institution to protect both other and themselves doesn't make me racist or a zealot. That is essentially the same thing.

 

And yes, many mages are Andrastian. And many mages accept the circle as neccesary. Guess they're zealots that are racist...against themselves?

[Uccio]

I didn't say holding that belief is right - in fact I explicitly stated this - but that it is perfectly logical belief to hold, and holding it doesn't make you either racist or a zealot. Believing that, say, people with severe metal illness which could result in them harming others should be kept in a secure institution to protect both other and themselves doesn't make me racist or a zealot. That is essentially the same thing.

 

And yes, many mages are Andrastian. And many mages accept the circle as neccesary. Guess they're zealots that are racist...against themselves?

 

Haha! You are now equating being a mage to a person with severe mental illness? Really?

Because I posses the ability to harm other people too, that doesn´t mean I would ever do it. I am stronger than the average man, its a fact not gloating. Do I need to be locked up for it?

 

You ever heard of Stocholm syndrome?

[PhroXenGold]

Haha! You are now equating being a mage to a person with severe mental illness? Really?

Because I posses the ability to harm other people too, that doesn´t mean I would ever do it. I am stronger than the average man, its a fact not gloating. Do I need to be locked up for it?

 

You ever heard of Stocholm syndrome?

 

People whith sever mental illness can be, through no fault of their own, a threat to others. Mages can be, through no fault of their own, a threat to others (possesion). Should they be protected from themsleves, and should others be protected from them?

 

And yes, I have heard of Stockholm Syndrome. But I see no reason to believe that it is relevant to this case. Mages know what they are capable of. And they know how they will be treated by others. Considering the protection of the Circle to be a good thing is a completely rational conclusion.

 

Now, I will admit, I don't like the Circle. I do believe that there is a better way to treat mages. But that doesn't mean that I can't see the arguments in favour of it. It doesn't mean that those arguments don't have a rational and logical basis. There's nothing indicative of zealtotry in supporing the system - do many zealots support it? Yes. Do many poeple who aren't zealots support it? Yes. Assuming that everyone in favour of the Circles - and by extension everyone in favour of the Chantry - is either a zealot or suffering from Stokhom Sydrome makes you, well, a zealot.

[Uccio]

People whith sever mental illness can be, through no fault of their own, a threat to others. Mages can be, through no fault of their own, a threat to others (possesion). Should they be protected from themsleves, and should others be protected from them?

 

And yes, I have heard of Stockholm Syndrome. But I see no reason to believe that it is relevant to this case. Mages know what they are capable of. And they know how they will be treated by others. Considering the protection of the Circle to be a good thing is a completely rational conclusion.

 

Now, I will admit, I don't like the Circle. I do believe that there is a better way to treat mages. But that doesn't mean that I can't see the arguments in favour of it. It doesn't mean that those arguments don't have a rational and logical basis. There's nothing indicative of zealtotry in supporing the system - do many zealots support it? Yes. Do many poeple who aren't zealots support it? Yes. Assuming that everyone in favour of the Circles - and by extension everyone in favour of the Chantry - is either a zealot or suffering from Stokhom Sydrome makes you, well, a zealot.

 

So you are saying mages are incapable of managing themselves and require mundanes to do so? They lack the mental capacity for it? People who have no understanding of what it means to be a mage get to make decision? There is a large cloud of smug in the air with this idea. A religous (zealot if you will) rasist bottom current where some people are just better to govern others because of their inborn trait and have a divine permission for it.

 

The only good argument for circle system would be if it only would be a school for mages where mages would teach and govern themselves. No life long imprisonment, no personal life restrictions.

 

 

Mages know what they are capable of. And they know how they will be treated by others. Considering the protection of the Circle to be a good thing is a completely rational conclusion.

 

There is no rationale behind this. The only reason circle system is in place is because of religous supremacy where zealots have through out the millenium called mages non human demonic monsters to mages themselves and to mundanes. When you repeat that lie long enough it becomes the truth. Sort of.

[Muspade]

The only good argument for circle system would be if it only would be a school for mages where mages would teach and govern themselves. No life long imprisonment, no personal life restrictions.

There is one society where that was the case. Gives off a bad example to those who want to try that again.

Tevinter.