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[Celtic Latino]

Class orientations I'd be fine with (given the view on mages in the DA world). Only thing is I don't see why someone wouldn't date a warrior or rogue unless they have something against shields or bows of some sort.

Specializations would be good given the view on Templars and the darker arts of Magic. Also puzzled that Alistair/Fenris would romance a blood mage while Anders a Templar.

CC sliders? That's a bit tougher. Instead, I'd probably use a stat similar to Beauty from Arcanum (which affected how you were treated as well as whether or not you could pursue a romance). But then I'd think too many people would be offended by it (irl insecurities/feelings) and the amount of backlash would be overwhelming.

[Navasha]

Personally not a fan of the new race/gender gating.   That's all fine in a world with 6 billion people.   However, we are talking about a game where there only exists a handful of possible love interest choices.   No... I preferred the player sexual approach myself.    There's a good chance that not all of the personalities are going to appeal to you and if those are your only possible choices....

[Starscream723]

Hmmm... on the one hand, it's much more realistic for characters to have their own tastes and preferences, thus closing off certain players from romancing them if they do not meet those criteria.

 

 

On the other hand, it's a game, supposed to be escapism. It's bad enough being a loveless loser in real life, without even my make-believe video game pals rejecting me. What next, you secretly make it so that if you choose too many 'paragon' dialogue options you get friendzoned? You go outside of certain values in the CC suite and all the LIs start saying "You're a good friend... I just don't see you in that way..."? Will Cullen and Josephine walk in on a neckbeard Inquisitor as he's playing some Ferelden RPG as he laments that after Sera's rejection, the characters in "Blight Quest IV" are the only romances he'll ever have?!

 

Sorry... sorry... I'm going to go for a lie down now. In Mass Effect 2, cuddled up with Miranda. In real life I'll be sobbing into my pillow.

[NoForgiveness]

"Sexual Orientation isn't discrimination though."

 

Uh, yes it is.

 

Discrimination: Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

 

What? where did you get that definition?

 

this is the one I found:

 

treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor or against a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.

 

 

not at all what you said.....

[Jagrevi]

"A straight man or woman not being interested in the same sex is way different than a Human refusing to date an Elf because they're an Elf"

 

Well sure, but in the sense we're talking about, they're both an act of someone discriminating.

 

I'm trying to think of how to make this clear.... I know. You know when you chose to respond to my post instead of Super Drone's? That was an act of discrimination. When you choose to do the math problem 100 x 5 by counting by "hundreds" instead of "fives", that's discrimination.

 

Words gain additional meanings and culture connotations by use. "Discrimination", literally, is just as I mentioned - I gave you the relevant definition of it in my previous post. It's recognizing (usually in some selective context) the difference between A and B. That's it. The rest of the baggage is something you're bringing in.

 

Let me try to help hammer this home.

 

You've just shown that you're ignorant. (This isn't an insult!)

 

I don't mean this in the same WAY that we use it to shame people who are not hip to our modern zeitgeist, I just literally mean "there is a thing you don't know". In fact, I'm ignorant. I don't know why the standard model over predicts the strength of the Higgs field, and I don't know how snails make little baby snails, so I'm ignorant. "Ignorant" is a word that has a very simple meaning (it means "not knowing a thing"), that has an extra cultural connotation in certain contexts.

 

This isn't one of those contexts.

 

And this isn't one of those contexts for the term "discrimination" to pick up the meaning you're applying to it to deny the appropriateness of the term. When a computer program picks up a piece of information and sorts things into category A and category B, that is "discrimination". Feel free to look up the word if you do not believe me.

 

This is the only context I mean it in here. It is, in fact, the presumptive context.

 

So you're right, those two things may be very different, but that has nothing to do with what you are responding to, which is whether or not the word "discrimination" is appropriate here, which it is.

[Shadow Fox]

What? where did you get that definition?

 

this is the one I found:

 

treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor or against a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.

 

 

not at all what you said.....

That's what I thought of too.

[Tinxa]

I prefer the DA2 system but I can live with set sexualities too.

 

I'm ok with race gating - it saves devs a lot of animation work so there's a good reason for it. Better to have the Cullen romance for humans and elves only than not have it at all imo.

 

Class gating or CC would be going too far for me. If some players like to play as mages I think it would be unfair to restrict a romance option just for variety's sake. Some people don't replay games a 100 times with all classes.

[Jagrevi]

"not at all what you said..."

 

Type the word into Google. It's definition #2, and it is the definition that pre-dates the other definition.

[Nayawk]

 

On the other hand, it's a game, supposed to be escapism. It's bad enough being a loveless loser in real life, without even my make-believe video game pals rejecting me. 

 

And the upside of this not being reality is that you don't have to play your real life race/gender/sexuality, you can be a gay male qunari, or a straight female elf, or a bisexual female dwarf, the list goes on.

 

Embrace the escapism,...a love interest doesn't fall flat on their back and scream "take me", then next time play a character that will float their romance boat.

[Jagrevi]

It's like when people use the term "discriminating clientele". They're not actually saying their full of unwarranted prejudice, they're saying they make a distinction that others tend not to.

[Broganisity]

NPCs, like the players and their characters, all have their particular interests.

Using your first example, I'd think it would be interesting if there was a character who wouldn't date mages...OR if it was exceptionally difficult to date them as a mage. It'd be interesting to see.

 

So...yes, I'd like to see NPCs better display their own personal likes and dislikes.

[Icy Magebane]

I was fine with "gender gating" only... I never wanted race gating and I don't want any additional gates either.

[Chernaya]

I prefer more options with restrictions. I like that we have more options available this time around, and I also like characters having preferences and that our PC's won't be everyone's perfect soul mate. That said, I would have been fine with ending it at set sexual orientations. If race gates have good reason they won't bother me but I think the amount that Solas is restricted is a little extreme gameplay wise. 

[Super Drone]

Then don't romance anyone. Sometimes I think people only play for the romances. Two games now I'm going to play a forever alone dwarf. And now I've got a qunari joining the club. 

 

Whatever the story demands should be BW's motto. Not whatever the fans demand.

 

Would be nice to get millions of dollars to tell stories that appeal to you personally and never have to consider what the people who are supplying you with that money want.  Too bad that's not how anything in the history of gaming ever worked.

[Super Drone]

And the upside of this not being reality is that you don't have to play your real life race/gender/sexuality, you can be a gay male qunari, or a straight female elf, or a bisexual female dwarf, the list goes on.

 

Embrace the escapism,...a love interest doesn't fall flat on their back and scream "take me", then next time play a character that will float their romance boat.

 

Gender-Bending is an acquired taste. It ruins some people escapism, not adds to it. It's cool that some people love playing opposite gender PCs, but "Just play a girl/guy" wasn't a cool answer when people wanted Gay romances, so I don't know why it would be now.

[Fetunche]

No gating , no realism in fantasy games, all must bow before the inquistor and felicitate him.

[PunchySporkk]

I'm surprised to find that I actually really like the idea of more restrictions.  Assuming everyone gets a decent number of options, I think it would encourage me to replay the game as a character that I would normally ignore.  That said, I know a lot of people aren't going to replay the game as many times as I do and obsessively try all the possibilities (not just romances), so I certainly don't blame anyone who is less than happy.

[AresKeith]

No gating , no realism in fantasy games, all must bow before the inquistor and felicitate him.

 

You know that even fantasy games has a bit of realism in them right?

[Super Drone]

I want the Warden back riding a Griffon named Calenhad into battle as the last two remaining Archdemons emerge from their slumber to swallow Thedas whole with the Blight to end all Blights. I won't be getting that. I've dealt with it...

 

If Bioware thought that was what all their fans, and all the fans they could potentially get, wanted, and they said "naw, let's make a Hidden Object game set in Orlesian Parlors", they'd deserve all the fan-rage the internet is capable of. Pure fan-service is bad, but not listening to your fans at all is worse.

[Jagrevi]

I don't even think there's a solid definition of "no realism".

 

"Does this game deterministic on some any level? Nope, sorry, too realistic."

 

That being said, as far as just "wanting everyone to be an accessible LI" (which I assume is the intent of his statement), I don't know if I agree. I'm not someone who replays the game, but even I don't necessarily want no restrictions on me. Restrictions give texture, and sometimes might encourage me to explore a different type of character than I might usually play.

[DameGrace]

 

If Bioware thought that was what all their fans, and all the fans they could potentially get, wanted, and they said "naw, let's make a Hidden Object game set in Orlesian Parlors", they'd deserve all the fan-rage the internet is capable of. Pure fan-service is bad, but not listening to your fans at all is worse.

 

Excuse me, but are you implying that Bioware aren't listening to their fans at all? Or are you just referring to Dark Knight's post?

[Jagrevi]

*"is this game deterministic on any level", rather. That's what I get for re-writing a sentence 3 times on a form with no apparent "edit post" button for responses. =P