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[TheRevanchist]

So people without set preferences don't seem like real people to you? 

 

When -everyone- around me, lacks a set preference, yes they no longer feel like people, they feel like game assets for players to use like little dolls so they can get w/e romance they want, removing consequences from their decisions, and limiting aspects of that characters development. Some characters should obviously lack a preference, as real people are Bisexual. But I refuse to accept a game where -everyone- is bisexual for the sake of the player. 

[CrimsonN7]

When -everyone- around me, lacks a set preference, yes they no longer feel like people, they feel like game assets for players to use like little dolls so they can get w/e romance they want, removing consequences from their decisions, and limiting aspects of that characters development. Some characters should obviously lack a preference, as real people are Bisexual. But I refuse to accept a game where -everyone- is bisexual for the sake of the player. 

 

I hated the route they went in DA2 myself, I'll always be pro- set sexualities in the DA LI department. Happy they went back to the DAO model, characters feel more fleshed out to me, like the divides, everyone has a preference just like life.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

When -everyone- around me, lacks a set preference, yes they no longer feel like people, they feel like game assets for players to use like little dolls so they can get w/e romance they want, removing consequences from their decisions, and limiting aspects of that characters development. Some characters should obviously lack a preference, as real people are Bisexual. But I refuse to accept a game where -everyone- is bisexual for the sake of the player. 

Everyone wasn't though. Isabela for example wasn't bisexual for the character's benefit. Sebastian was available only to women. The only ones who could be argued that they were blank slates for the protagonist can also be argued as representing the orientations that aren't the main ones. 

 

 

I hated the route they went in DA2 myself, I'll always be pro- set sexualities in the DA LI department. Happy they went back to the DAO model, characters feel more fleshed out to me, like the divides, everyone has a preference just like life.

Yeah, the set sexuality people get representation and options. Meanwhile those who aren't get left in the dirt. It's so much better now.  

[CrimsonN7]

Yeah, the set sexuality people get representation and options. Meanwhile those who aren't get left in the dirt. It's so much better now. 

 

I don't know how people expect Bioware to represent every flavour of sexuality under the spectrum, I'm pretty glad I'm getting an extra option as a lez player myself. We're a minority I never expected to get more than the straight demographic, hell we're on equal footing with the straight males options, srsly who would have thunk it.

[TheRevanchist]

No, you have bisexual LI's in Dragon Age 3. This has been confirmed. The difference is, there are also LI's who are gated. It is vastly more believable now. If you cannot accept that, or think it unfair, then I cannot help you.

[Remmirath]

I'm fine with gender and species gating. It makes sense. I'm also fine with not having it. It might stretch credibility just a little bit that every romanceable member of the party happens to be bisexual and doesn't care about species, but I'm okay with that. I'm not so okay with the implication that it actually changes from game to game, since the character remains the same. That feels off to me. The NPCs aren't changing in any other way if I replay the game, so I don't feel that they should be changing in that way either.

I would like to see more personality gating, personally. To use DA II as an example, it seemed odd to me that a mage (blood mage, even) could have a romance with Fenris and that a templar who regularly expressed their negative opinions on mages could have one with Anders or Merrill. Appearance-based gating would be very hard to deal with, and so I think not worth it, although I'd not be against it; but it'd be nice if most characters had some things that they were simply unwilling to tolerate in a romance/friend.

Mostly I would like to see deeper friendships and am not too fussed about romances one way or another, but it all plays into the personality of the NPC, so in that sense I have some interest in what they are doing with it. Basically, I am of the opinion that if a game is not going to allow for full party creation by the player, then the NPCs you get should be as fully developed in every way as possible to make up for it, and that extends to all aspects of their personalities.

[Vox Draco]

I don't know how people expect Bioware to represent every flavour of sexuality under the spectrum, I'm pretty glad I'm getting an extra option as a lez player myself. We're a minority I never expected to get more than the straight demographic, hell we're on equal footing with the straight males options, srsly who would have thunk it.

 

Every flavour? Hmm...I guess when my sexually confused Qunari drag-queen falls in love with his/her Marbari-Warhound ... okay, I'll abandon that thought and seek professional help.     

[CrimsonN7]

Every flavour? Hmm...I guess when my sexually confused Qunari drag-queen falls in love with his/her Marbari-Warhound ... okay, I'll abandon that thought and seek professional help.   

 

You paid good money for this game, roleplay as you wish, I'm not one to judge.

[Finnn62]

I want gating based on facial hair. No love for PCs without mustaches.

No Beard, No Good 

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[Rane7685]

Everyone should be available to anyone, that's what made da2 so great no discrimination or anything.

 

having race based romances is well racist.

Odd sentiment

[Brialyn]

I have no problems with any "gates" as long as it is story driven and makes sense for the character, especially if there is a large number of LIs.  If I desperately want to romance someone than I will roll the race/gender/class I need.  I care more about the story than anything else.  I find a sense of realism a little refreshing and let's face it, not everyone in the world wants to rip your clothes off.  I like that the npcs have things they are attracted to and things they are not.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

I don't know how people expect Bioware to represent every flavour of sexuality under the spectrum, I'm pretty glad I'm getting an extra option as a lez player myself. We're a minority I never expected to get more than the straight demographic, hell we're on equal footing with the straight males options, srsly who would have thunk it.

So those who don't have representation should just accept it? Interesting words coming from you. 

I'm glad you have equal footing. Alas some people still don't. 

 

No, you have bisexual LI's in Dragon Age 3. This has been confirmed. The difference is, there are also LI's who are gated. It is vastly more believable now. If you cannot accept that, or think it unfair, then I cannot help you.

You realize there is more than just bisexual, heterosexual, and homosexual orientations in the world right? 

[Zjarcal]

I don't know how people expect Bioware to represent every flavour of sexuality under the spectrum....

 

Can we have a ketchup-sexual LI plz?

[Zjarcal]

You realize there is more than just bisexual, heterosexual, and homosexual orientations in the world right? 

 

 

Considering how tiny the subset of people who think it's necessary to label every preference under the sun as a "new' sexuality, it's ridiculous to think BW will go out of its way to represent that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Considering how tiny the subset of people who think it's necessary to label every preference under the sun as a "new' sexuality, it's ridiculous to think BW will go out of its way to represent that.

So only the big boys and girls get to have representation. Joy of joys. 

[CrimsonN7]

 

 

So those who don't have representation should just accept it? Interesting words coming from you. 

I'm glad you have equal footing. Alas some people still don't. 

 

You realize there is more than just bisexual, heterosexual, and homosexual orientations in the world right? 

 

 

What exactly do you expect Kallen? Ambiguous Li's, demisexual? What? Like Bioware to their credit are making great strides for the community as it is, not many gaming companies represent us like they do. Honestly our community at times, all these new labels they come up with every year, you're expecting too much to think Bioware can cater to all that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What exactly do you expect Kallen? Ambiguous Li's, demisexual? What? Like Bioware to their credit are making great strides for the community as it is, not many gaming companies represent us like they do. Honestly our community at times, all these new labels they come up with every year, you're expecting too much to think Bioware can cater to all that.

Yes, that is what I would one day expect, among others like asexual. Back in the day, homosexuals and bisexuals were in the same boat, and yet they never stopped asking for it. So why stop now? 

[Xilizhra]

I would very strongly recommend against anyone within the LGBTQ spectrum saying that the sexuality of anyone else on the spectrum is somehow less meaningful/worthy of being represented than any other; it strikes me as hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

 

What exactly do you expect Kallen? Ambiguous Li's, demisexual? What? Like Bioware to their credit are making great strides for the community as it is, not many gaming companies represent us like they do. Honestly our community at times, all these new labels they come up with every year, you're expecting too much to think Bioware can cater to all that.

There's a difference between the likelihood of them doing so now and the place at which we'd like them to be in the future.

 

Regarding Merrill, I don't think she was ever deliberately intended to be demisexual. Would it have been better if she was? Quite possibly, and it's regrettable for those who were disappointed by it.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Considering how tiny the subset of people who think it's necessary to label every preference under the sun as a "new' sexuality, it's ridiculous to think BW will go out of its way to represent that.

 

Yeah, at some point they have to make choices. DA:I's way of having something for everyone (plus a little extra for female humans and elves) seems good to me. Playersexuality is just too jarring, when everyone who's available happens to also be bisexual it feels like the developpers simply made it that way not to upset fans. That's not really what I call representation.

 

And I also agree with Remmirath that romances could use being a bit more gated, in fact, when the story calls for it. Fenris romancing a mage stretches it, but a blood mage is just silly. I realize romance doesn't always mean you love everything about the person, and people love belligerent sexual tension for some reason, but the other person being the one thing you hate the most in the world should be a bit of a turn off, no? Yet he barely even mentions it.

 

I hope they fix that a bit in Inquisition. Romance should be more than throwing gifts towards a person.

[Azaron Nightblade]

Yes, that is what I would one day expect, among others like asexual. Back in the day, homosexuals and bisexuals were in the same boat, and yet they never stopped asking for it. So why stop now? 

 

Sometimes it's gotta be hard to be Bioware. 

[CrimsonN7]

I would very strongly recommend against anyone within the LGBTQ spectrum saying that the sexuality of anyone else on the spectrum is somehow less meaningful/worthy of being represented than any other; it strikes me as hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

 

You gotta put things in perspective though, The LGBT people are a minority, and those new sexualities are even a smaller minority in the minority. Expecting Bioware to represent them all is a bit much. For the first time in a DA game we have a gay LI and a lesbian LI, this is exciting, this is progress and I applaud Bioware for this. I have no qualms with Bioware possibly representing other lesser known sexualities in our community in future games but for now I'm pretty happy that they are representing the LGB folk as much as they are. They are trying, not many other gaming companies are, give credit where it is due.

[cindercatz]

I support set orientations, species gating (fantasy races are really more like cousin species, just saying), class gating, story decision gating, and generally everything that makes the game feel more real, the setting stronger, allows for better characterization and storytelling, and opens up more total options among the cast. So more specific character preferences really help with that. They also make replays a lot more fun, and DA begs for replays.

 

I'd love for every reasonably humanoid character to be an option for specific groups of characters, just as long as there's an overall fair pool of options for people's real world genders and orientations. It's supposed to be a principle of this franchise to be inclusive and fair, so spreading the field would help with that. At least I think so. I don't agree with the imbalance by gender and related things this time, but the romance gating itself is definitely good.

 

edit: Gating by cc sliders I think is too much though. It'd be just way too arbitrary, and it wouldn't really say anything significant about the characters.

[Xilizhra]

You gotta put things in perspective though, The LGBT people are a minority, and those new sexualities are even a smaller minority in the minority. Expecting Bioware to represent them all is a bit much. For the first time in a DA game we have a gay LI and a lesbian LI, this is exciting, this is progress and I applaud Bioware for this. I have no qualms with Bioware possibly representing other lesser known sexualities in our community in future games but for now I'm pretty happy that they are representing the LGB folk as much as they are. They are trying, not many other gaming companies are, give credit where it is due.

I give credit via money. Most other game companies, I don't give the time of day.

 

We may be pleased by the current triumph (of sorts, given that it's still badly imbalanced), but that doesn't mean we don't have more to do.

[AresKeith]

Sometimes it's gotta be hard to be Bioware. 

 

Very much

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YASSS errthing. Skin colour too.