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[SporkFu]

So... is it ever stated anywhere, officially or unofficially, what is happening on the Citadel after the reapers move it to Earth? Are people fighting for their lives, are they being harvested or waiting to be harvested, or is life just carrying on as it usually does when the arms are closed?

[RMAM]

That is a very good question. Thanks for making me obsess over something else rofl   

[Excella Gionne]

Assuming that we saw lots of low-res bodies, I think most were harvested, and maybe some got away. I'm sure no one on the Citadel has any time to contact the outside the inform them that the Citadel was compromised by Reaper forces. Still, it would be amazing to be on the Citadel and looking up into the other sections of the Citadel. It's a huge space station.

[themikefest]

Its hard to believe that no one was able to send out an SOS about what was happening on the Citadel. We had to learn that the Citadel was moved to Earth from Vendetta.

[Barquiel]

Someone asked Mac Walters what happened to the Citadel people and he said "some escaped, bad times for the majority." Someone later asked Patrick Weekes and he said that all the named NPCs survived (emergency shelters).

[NoRush20]

I noticed on my last play through that, as you're arguing with the Illusive Man before you open the Citadel doors, you can see the lights on the streets below, both moving ones (traffic lights) and stationary ones (streets/buildings/etc). It seemed that, whatever was happening there, people were definitely alive and city life was continuing.

 

It made me wonder, why didn't someone just ask the citizens or C-Sec or Aria or somebody else on the Citadel to just open the stupid arms? Shepard would have never even come close to dying xD But I guess it's possible that the Citadel, when closed, blocks all communication. I don't think you hear Hackett again until after you open the arms.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

My guess is that the Council had moved to a bunker. Everyone with any money had either escaped or moved to bunkers. The Reapers controlled the Citadel Tower which is where the master control panel was. The way to the tower was blocked. The Reapers were making a reaper inside the tower. And The Illusive Man was the only other human on the tower besides Anderson and Shepard. There you go.

[ImaginaryMatter]

It's hard to say, since so many of the events surrounding the Crucible at the end of the story are poorly explained or ignored all together.

[themikefest]

Its the same answer the Catalyst gives about the crucible

 

We don't know why and there wasn't enough time in the game to explain what happened

[SporkFu]

Assuming that we saw lots of low-res bodies, I think most were harvested, and maybe some got away. I'm sure no one on the Citadel has any time to contact the outside the inform them that the Citadel was compromised by Reaper forces. Still, it would be amazing to be on the Citadel and looking up into the other sections of the Citadel. It's a huge space station.

I dunno, at least some of those bodies may have come from Earth through the beam. Shep and Anderson talk about how they're in a place they've never seen before. 

 

I noticed on my last play through that, as you're arguing with the Illusive Man before you open the Citadel doors, you can see the lights on the streets below, both moving ones (traffic lights) and stationary ones (streets/buildings/etc). It seemed that, whatever was happening there, people were definitely alive and city life was continuing.

 

It made me wonder, why didn't someone just ask the citizens or C-Sec or Aria or somebody else on the Citadel to just open the stupid arms? Shepard would have never even come close to dying xD But I guess it's possible that the Citadel, when closed, blocks all communication. I don't think you hear Hackett again until after you open the arms.

Either the Citadel blocks signals by virtue of being closed up, or the reapers are jamming all communication from the outside. 

 

My guess is that the Council had moved to a bunker. Everyone with any money had either escaped or moved to bunkers. The Reapers controlled the Citadel Tower which is where the master control panel was. The way to the tower was blocked. The Reapers were making a reaper inside the tower. And The Illusive Man was the only other human on the tower besides Anderson and Shepard. There you go.

Bunkers kinda make sense. It'd certainly be a way to pick and choose who survives... but then it begs the question, why didn't the council members just climb into a bunker in ME1 instead of getting on the Destiny Ascension... I know, I know, retcon + space magic 

 

It's hard to say, since so many of the events surrounding the Crucible at the end of the story are poorly explained or ignored all together.

Its the same answer the Catalyst gives about the crucible

 

We don't know why and there wasn't enough time in the game to explain what happened

Basically... whatever you want it to be, it is. 

 

 

The "What happens after ME3 in your head?" thread got me thinking about shep being found after the breath scene; who would find her, and how long it would take after the crucible fired. 

[cap and gown]

As was mentioned above, you can see traffic still active on the arms as you talk with TIM. I commented on that in my last playthrough.

[Larry-3]

There should have been a cut-scene that shown C-sec fighting Reaper troops. I am not saying that C-sec would be winning, but maybe a little 30 second cut-scene like the one we seen when Cerberus attacked the Citadel; except this one would be about when the Reapers take control of the Citadel.

 

C-sec Lieutenant: We are taking heavy casualties we ne-(static) evac. The Citadel is being moved over-(static) warn the Allianc-(static)...

[SporkFu]

As was mentioned above, you can see traffic still active on the arms as you talk with TIM. I commented on that in my last playthrough.

Yeah... I've noticed that as well. it's too bad we don't get a close-up. 

 

There should have been a cut-scene that shown C-sec fighting Reaper troops. I am not saying that C-sec would be winning, but maybe a little 30 second cut-scene like the one we seen when Cerberus attacked the Citadel; except this one would be about when the Reapers take control of the Citadel.

 

C-sec Lieutenant: We are taking heavy casualties we ne-(static) evac. The Citadel is being moved over-(static) warn the Allianc-(static)...

But when would they show the cut-scene? The first time we see the Citadel after Cronos Station is a cutscene where its arms are almost fully closed, and in the act of closing. By the time we see that, we already know the reapers have control of it. If we see it at any time before the end of Cronos Station, then there is no need for Vendetta to tell us what happened to it... Don't get me wrong, I would love to have seen something like that, but ...when?

 

Ooh, how about at the beginning of, or during, Priority: Earth... kinda let the player see that the war harvest is still being fought there.

 

I dunno, I think I'd almost rather see no fighting going on at all; instead people are just kinda huddling scared in their apartments and in storefronts, and at the bars. Maybe C-Sec has its hands full dealing with rioters and looters and just general panic. There's no reaper presence at all, and no known way to get to the control room and re-open the arms. Maybe TIM has access blocked, except he didn't count on shep and Anderson getting there via the beam.  

[Han Shot First]

My guess is that the Reapers just seized control of the Presidium and moved the Citadel, but the Wards were mostly untouched.

 

I say that because as NoRush20 pointed out, you can see the lights from traffic moving about the Wards while you are having the confrontation with the Illusive Man. Unless Husks drive skycars, the Wards seem to be very much alive.

 

Probably everyone who was in the Presidium when the Reapers attacked was killed, except for named characters, who escaped according to Patrick Weekes.

[SporkFu]

My guess is that the Reapers just seized control of the Presidium and moved the Citadel, but the Wards were mostly untouched.

 

I say that because as NoRush20 pointed out, you can see the lights from traffic moving about the Wards while you are having the confrontation with the Illusive Man. Unless Husks drive skycars, the Wards seem to be very much alive.

 

Probably everyone who was in the Presidium when the Reapers attacked was killed, except for named characters, who escaped according to Patrick Weekes.

Well said. I wonder if it was actually TIM who seized control of the Citadel for the reapers, like Saren in ME1. Or did TIM show up after the reapers had control? I'm guessing he had to be on the Citadel before then, because if he showed up and the reapers already had control of the Citadel, they wouldn't need him anymore, heh. 

[cap and gown]

Well said. I wonder if it was actually TIM who seized control of the Citadel for the reapers, like Saren in ME1. Or did TIM show up after the reapers had control? I'm guessing he had to be on the Citadel before then, because if he showed up and the reapers already had control of the Citadel, they wouldn't need him anymore, heh. 

 

Just how far down the rabbit hole are we going to go here?

 

Let's face it: none of this was very well thought out. Its about "the feelz," not making sense.

[SporkFu]

Just how far down the rabbit hole are we going to go here?

 

Let's face it: none of this was very well thought out. Its about "the feelz," not making sense.

Yeah... As you and NoRush20 and Han Shot First have pointed out, and as I've seen myself, there is definitely something going on throughout the rest of the Citadel. But other than that, I guess we just headcanon it. 

[FlyingSquirrel]

As was mentioned above, you can see traffic still active on the arms as you talk with TIM. I commented on that in my last playthrough.

 

I'm guessing that must be mostly automated, empty vehicles and/or people trying to get to shelters. The people on the Citadel can't be unaware that they just got moved to a different system and that the Reapers had something to do with it, so I highly doubt they'd just be working their 9-to-5 jobs and otherwise going about daily life.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Though this kind of reminds me of a scene in a movie featured on MST3K, where we see a "news broadcast" about the fact that giant grasshoppers have attacked Chicago, with an announcement that there will be further updates later. I couldn't help but wonder what TV station would be showing anything other than 24/7 coverage of the giant grasshopper invasion.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Illusive Man pulled up to the Citadel in a Cerberus shuttle, and like in ME2 they just let him land. He strolled up to the Citadel Tower, used their communications network and called the Reapers, who then attacked leaving him alone for reasons. Crap! a plot hole.

 

Okay, he showed up in a Cerberus dreadnought and since most of the Citadel Fleet was gathering for the battle over earth, he waltzed right in and took over the place, and he went to the Citadel Tower, called the Reapers, and when they arrived they destroyed his dreadnought, all the Cerberus troops and left him alone for reasons. Crap! A plot hole.

 

Wait!

 

"I, your indoctrinated servant, The Illusive Man, have taken over the Citadel, and give it to you oh my reaper masters." The Illusive Man said.

 

Wait, he said, "No! I'm in control! No one is telling me what to do!"

 

Another plot hole.

 

Just... don't... think about this. It makes no sense for The Illusive Man to call the Reapers and have them move the Citadel to Reaper controlled Space over Earth.... unless the sole purpose was so that Shepard would be severely wounded.... Anderson would die.... and that there would be feelz about taking back Earth.

 

Just... don't... think about this.

[von uber]

Of course the most likely explanation is recycling of the background of the citadel, but head Canon is much better.

[SilJeff]

Its hard to believe that no one was able to send out an SOS about what was happening on the Citadel. We had to learn that the Citadel was moved to Earth from Vendetta.

Judging by Shepard being unable to talk via comms to that asari soldier desperately asking for help on Thessia after Kai Leng got away when the Reapers started landing near-by, I'd say the reapers can jam the communications of people in certain areas. Meaning any SOS signals wouldn't make it far

 

Whether it be the people of the Citadel or Shepard at the temple of the Asari Goddess

[themikefest]

Judging by Shepard being unable to talk via comms to that asari soldier desperately asking for help on Thessia after Kai Leng got away when the Reapers started landing near-by, I'd say the reapers can jam the communications of people in certain areas. Meaning any SOS signals wouldn't make it far

 

Whether it be the people of the Citadel or Shepard at the temple of the Asari Goddess

If that's the case, then every mission involving the reapers, Shepard would never of been able to talk with anyone, especially on Menae and Earth and when facing the reaper on rannoch

[dgcatanisiri]

The Citadel's moved to Earth during the assault on Chronos Station. If we're generous, between then and the final assault, only a few days would have passed. I think what likely is happening is that while the joint fleets are making their move, on both Cerberus and on Earth, C-Sec and the Citadel Defense Force asset elements are in combat with Reaper forces on the streets of the Citadel, that this fight is happening the whole time we have Shepard fighting on the streets of London. There are billions of inhabitants on the Citadel, there's no way that the Reapers could wipe out all traces of resistance in just a few days. Even a few weeks is a very unlikely prospect.

[Daemul]

Actually, there's only 13.2 million people on the Citadel, not including the keepers, it's nowhere near big enough to hold billions of people.

 

Also, those moving lights in the background are probably reused assets(there's a lot of that in this game). People aren't going to be going on with their normal business whilst the Reapers are killing everyone.