Now see. I'm the guy your all gonna hate. I'm hoping that Hawke's little Cameo ends up with Hawke dead. Doesn't have to be at the hands of the inquisitor. Could just be coming upon the end of a scene playing out where Hawke didn't survive. Complete with Option of Burying Hawke in an unmarked grave somewhere.
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Who are we kidding though? The Elder One probably became one of Hawke's companions after the disappearance and tricked him/her into distracting the mages and templars while Alexius planted the explosives in the Temple of Sacred Ashes.
Who are we kidding though? The Elder One probably became one of Hawke's companions after the disappearance and tricked him/her into distracting the mages and templars while Alexius planted the explosives in the Temple of Sacred Ashes.
Hawke: Goddammit, Elder One!
Tbh, I'd rather Hawke led the Inquisition than this upstart new protagonist... I know it's an unpopular opinion, but there it is. At the very least s/he should be a party member, although that still wouldn't be all that satisfying...
All Hawke's ever lead is a small group of mostly crazy people. He's no more qualified to run the Inquisition than the Inquisitor will presumably be at the beginning of the game. I really hope we start off sort of clueless and work our way up from there. It'd be way more interesting than, "I am a natural born leader."
Tbh, I'd rather Hawke led the Inquisition than this upstart new protagonist.
Did you really just say you'd rather Hawke, who crumbles under pressure and makes a ton of stupid decisions, should lead the force that's actually supposed to save the world? No thank you. Can we be competent this time, friend?
Did you really just say I'd rather Hawke, who crumbles under pressure, lead the force that's actually supposed to save the world? Can we be competent this time, friend?
Maybe your Hawke was incompetent. My Hawke knew he was about. It's not his fault the universe hated him.
Maybe your Hawke was incompetent. My Hawke knew he was about. It's not his fault the universe hated him.
Exactly... I have no idea how Hawke garnered so much dislike. The only situation where I remember him being incompetent was during All That Remains, but the quest was deliberately designed to shoehorn Leandra's death into the story... blaming Hawke for things like that is unfair.
Maybe your Hawke was incompetent. My Hawke knew he was about. It's not his fault the universe hated him.
One of my Hawkes just wanted excuses to kill a lot of things. I think he did alright.
Maybe your Hawke was incompetent. My Hawke knew he was about. It's not his fault the universe hated him.
Exactly... I have no idea how Hawke garnered so much dislike. The only situation where I remember him being incompetent was during All That Remains, but the quest was deliberately designed to shoehorn Leandra's death into the story... blaming Hawke for things like that is unfair.
Do I need to break this list down again; I think we've had enough Hawke threads that I don't need to. But here's a few highlights:
1. Lets Anders live.
2. Lets Anders live.
3. Watched as an ogre charged their mother and sibling
4. Took a qunari outside the city because s/he was asked to.
5. Let their sibling contract the the Blight, if taken with them
6. Tried to kill a Primordial Darkspawn that has bested the best of the Wardens for centuries, ending with their release.
7. Antagonized the Arishok
8. Watched as Qunari were brutally slaughtered, no matter the decision
9. Didn't stop Patrice on any occasion
10. Watched a blood mage kill his wife, perfectly able to stop him, even when they promise to protect her
11. "I'm not choosing a side." "Yes you are are!" "Okay."
12. Let Orsino finish his ritual to change into a amalgam of corpses.
13. Not recognizing Meredith's sword she's had for 3 years
14. Almost started a war with Orlais
15. Lets Anders Live
The list goes on, man. I actually like Hawke better than the Warden, but they're kind of....incompetent.
Exactly... I have no idea how Hawke garnered so much dislike. The only situation where I remember him being incompetent was during All That Remains, but the quest was deliberately designed to shoehorn Leandra's death into the story... blaming Hawke for things like that is unfair.
Mike Laidlaw summed up Dragon Age 2 as Hawke's rise to power while being repeatedly punched in the face. The most accurate summary of a game's plot, ever.
Exactly... I have no idea how Hawke garnered so much dislike. The only situation where I remember him being incompetent was during All That Remains, but the quest was deliberately designed to shoehorn Leandra's death into the story... blaming Hawke for things like that is unfair.
I don't hate Hawke, and I wouldn't blame him/her for everything but Hawke is far from being a shining example of competent. It's easy to blame the story for the lack of option. However Hawke let Qunari spy get away with the list, Hawke accidently and unintentional free Corypheus, Hawke fail to prevent the Qunari's uprising and he/she also let a group of Chantry's fanatics get away during the first act, Hawke was fooled by his/her pirate friend even though it's quite obvious she's hiding something...hell Hawke doesn't even chase after Isabela when she run away.
I don't know about you but I don't think Hawke is qualified to run any large organization with complex structure, and Hakw's original goal was to get rich and take care of his/her own family. I'm sorry, I just don't see Hawke being a shining example of good leader.
Do I need to break this list down again; I think we've had enough Hawke threads that I don't need to. But here's a few highlights:
1. Let's Anders live.
2. Let's Anders live.
3. Watched as an ogre charged their mother and sibling
4. Took a qunari outside the city because s/he was asked to.
5. Let their sibling contract the the Blight, if taken with them
6. Tried to kill a Primordial Darkspawn that has bested the best of the Wardens for centuries, ending with their release.
7. Antagonized the Arishok
8. Watched as Qunari were brutally slaughtered, no matter the decision
9. Didn't stop Patrice on any occasion
10. Watched a blood mage kill his wife, perfectly able to stop him, even when they promise to protect her
11. "I'm not choosing a side." "Yes you are are!" "Okay."
12. Let Orsino finish his ritual to change into a amalgam of corpses.
13. Not recognizing Meredith's sword she's had for 3 years
The list goes on, man. I actually like Hawke better than the Warden, but they're kind of....incompetent.
Not being able to meta-game is not Hawke's fault.
Neither are failures in presentation due to DA2's rushed nature.
Not being able to meta-game is not Hawke's fault.
You don't need to metagame to know that you don't trust the priest who tells you to take a qunari outside the city, in a dark alley in Lowtown.
Neither are failures in presentation due to DA2's rushed nature.
It's not a game in world, so I don't see the point here.
I don't hate Hawke, and I wouldn't blame him/her for everything but Hawke is far from being a shining example of competent. Hawke let Qunari spy get away with the list, Hawke accidently and unintentional free Corypheus, Hawke fail to prevent the Qunari's uprising and he also let a group of Chantry's fanatics get away during the first act. I don't know about you but I don't think Hawke is qualified to run any large organization with complex structure, and Hakw's original goal was to get rich and take care of his/her own family.
Can't really blame Hawke for that one Qunari are a stubborn race and Hawke was only one person there wasn't much she could.
Do I need to break this list down again; I think we've had enough Hawke threads that I don't need to. But here's a few highlights:
1. Let's Anders live.
2. Let's Anders live.
3. Watched as an ogre charged their mother and sibling
4. Took a qunari outside the city because s/he was asked to.
5. Let their sibling contract the the Blight, if taken with them
6. Tried to kill a Primordial Darkspawn that has bested the best of the Wardens for centuries, ending with their release.
7. Antagonized the Arishok
8. Watched as Qunari were brutally slaughtered, no matter the decision
9. Didn't stop Patrice on any occasion
10. Watched a blood mage kill his wife, perfectly able to stop him, even when they promise to protect her
11. "I'm not choosing a side." "Yes you are are!" "Okay."
12. Let Orsino finish his ritual to change into a amalgam of corpses.
13. Not recognizing Meredith's sword she's had for 3 years
The list goes on, man. I actually like Hawke better than the Warden, but they're kind of....incompetent.
Right... this list is filled with personal gripes and baseless arguments.
"Let's Anders live."
Personal bias, moving on...
"Let their sibling contract the the Blight, if taken with them."
How is that Hawke's fault? Nobody else gets the Blight, no matter who you take... it's always the sibling, and it isn't even random. It happens every time just for the sake of drama.
"Took a qunari outside the city because s/he was asked to."
It was a paying job and Hawke needed coin to get in on Bartrand's expedition. I don't see the problem here...
"Antagonized the Arishok"
Again, in your game, not mine...
I'm not going over any other points... basically, Hawke got a bad rap because of a lot of ham-fisted, shoehorned drama... most of your other points are just problems that came up based on how you wanted things to turn out in the game. Those are opinions, not proof that Hawke was flawed as a character... I mean, we're talking about a game where a mage can run free and cast spells right in front of supposedly bloodthirsty Templars, yet you single out Hawke for being incompetent and behaving stupidly? The whole game is like this... xD
Right... this list is filled with personal gripes and baseless arguments.
"Let's Anders live."
Personal bias, moving on...
I think we should all have bias against abominations. I'm sorry if you feel otherwise.
"Took a qunari outside the city because s/he was asked to."
It was a paying job and Hawke needed coin to get in on Bartrand's expedition. I don't see the problem here...
Hawke doesn't need this job, by the point it happens they're well off, but if you do something because money's involved, even when it can incite a war, that's incompetent.
"Antagonized the Arishok"
Again, in your game, not mine...
It happens no matter what. Though the Arishok is admittedly on heels anyway.
I'm not going over any other points... basically, Hawke got a bad rap because of a lot of ham-fisted, shoehorned drama... most of your other points are just problems that came up based on how you wanted things to turn out in the game.
Not really. Unlike most here, I'm a fan of Dragon Age ][, that doesn't change the fact that Hawke has done some pretty stupid things. You can look past them, sure, but I'm not going to ignore them just because I like the character or the game.
Those are opinions, not proof that Hawke was flawed as a character...
You do know that my judging them incompetent is also an opinion, yes? Or calling them flawed for that matter. It's my opinion. Kind of the point really.
I mean, we're talking about a game where a mage can run free and cast spells right in front of supposedly bloodthirsty Templars, yet you single out Hawke for being incompetent and behaving stupidly? The whole game is like this... xD
Aside from Cullen? Not really, even then demons were shooting spells everywhere. As to your latter point, no I actually didn't, but this thread isn't asking for the entire cast of Dragon Age: Problems to return, so I'm going to talk about the person it is.
One other thing...
Did you really just say you'd rather Hawke, who crumbles under pressure and makes a ton of stupid decisions, should lead the force that's actually supposed to save the world? No thank you. Can we be competent this time, friend?
How about we let the Inquisitor prove themselves before crowning them? I hear a lot about how great the Inquisitor is and have even heard talk of him being "better" than the Warden, yet the game hasn't been released... we have no idea if playing as this character will be satisfying. I'm hoping for the best, but a lot of people seem to be getting ahead of themselves...
One other thing...
How about we let the Inquisitor prove themselves before crowning them? I hear a lot about how great the Inquisitor is and have even heard talk of him being "better" than the Warden, yet the game hasn't been released... we have no idea if playing as this character will be satisfying. I'm hoping for the best, but a lot of people seem to be getting ahead of themselves...
I haven't judged the Inquisitor one way or the other. I just don't want Hawke leading the Inquisition and I want the Inquisitor to succeed in their endeavours.
Can't really blame Hawke for that one Qunari are a stubborn race and Hawke was only one person there wasn't much she could.
Indeed, but I think at least it's partial Hawke's fault. Hawke learns that a group he/she's working for is Chantry's fanatics, but let them get away during the first act of course Hawke couldn't have known the consequences, but he/she didn't act fast enough to stop them either, and also Hawke didn't chase after Isabela when she ran away.
As far as problems relating to Hawke, most things that happened would have happened without Hawke there. Admittedly stuff like the Qunari winning may have prevented the chantry from blowing up since they occupied the city now, but Anders still could have blown up one somewhere else. Its really less that Hawke was able to fix or stop problems then causing them himself.
I can see how it almost looks like the Inquisitor'll likely be cleaning up some of the messes from DAII like Corypheus and such though.
Indeed, but I think at least it's partial Hawke's fault. Hawke learns that a group he/she's working for is Chantry's fanatics, but let them get away during the first act of course Hawke couldn't have known the consequences, but he/she didn't act fast enough to stop them either, and also Hawke didn't chase after Isabela when she ran away.
Murdering a Chantry priest and a Templar would probably end badly for a refugee like Hawke was in Act 1.
Murdering a Chantry priest and a Templar would probably end badly for a refugee like Hawke was in Act 1.
That's why he goes to the mirror to change his appearance afterwards.
Indeed, but I think at least it's partial Hawke's fault. Hawke learns that a group he/she's working for is Chantry's fanatics, but let them get away during the first act of course Hawke couldn't have known the consequences, but he/she didn't act fast enough to stop them either, and also Hawke didn't chase after Isabela when she ran away.
You have got to be kidding me... first it's Hawke's fault that he didn't murder a priest and Templar in a Lowtown hovel on the suspicion that their scheming might get out of hand 3 years into the future... and then it's Hawke's fault for not chasing Isabela? That room was filled with hostile Qunari and Tevinter mages. Was Hawke supposed to turn his back to them and immediately attempt to leave the building... or.... is it somehow his fault for not killing them quickly enough to catch her in the act? I don't get it...
Murdering a Chantry priest and a Templar would probably end badly for a refugee like Hawke was in Act 1.
Who would know? I mean Isabela might let it sleep. Or Aveline. But certain loose ends could be...handled.
Hawke not chasing Isabela actually isn't their fault. How would s/he know where Isabela is?
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