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[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Murdering a Chantry priest and a Templar would probably end badly for a refugee like Hawke was in Act 1.

Hawke has already murdered countless of people in Kirkwall so your point is moot.

[Icy Magebane]

Hawke has already murdered countless of people in Kirkwall so your point is moot.

There is no way Hawke could have known what that would lead to... they simply hated Qunari.  A lot of Kirkwallers hate Qunari...

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

You have got to be kidding me... first it's Hawke's fault that he didn't murder a priest and Templar in a Lowtown hovel on the suspicion that their scheming might get out of hand 3 years into the future... and then it's Hawke's fault for not chasing Isabela?  That room was filled with hostile Qunari and Tevinter mages.  Was Hawke supposed to turn his back to them and immediately attempt to leave the building... or.... is it somehow his fault for not killing them quickly enough to catch her in the act?  I don't get it...

It didn't have to resulted in murder and he could have report their action to the authority, but Hawke didn't and tbh he could have try better when in that room filled with hostile Qunari and Tevinter mages. I see Isabela ran away with no problem, why Hawke couldn't...why did he/she has to stay and fight since those Qunari and Tevinter mages were already busy killing each other.

[TheTurtle]

Indeed, but I think at least it's partial Hawke's fault. Hawke learns that a group he/she's working for is Chantry's fanatics, but let them get away during the first act of course Hawke couldn't have known the consequences, but he/she didn't act fast enough to stop them either, and also Hawke didn't chase after Isabela when she ran away.

Hawke didn't have time to go after Isabela she was in the middle of a battle with both Qunari and Tevinter mages. Killing a bunch of fanatics for what they might do is a terrible idea and also requires a hell of a lot of metagaming on the players part.

 

Hawke has already murdered countless of people in Kirkwall so your point is moot.

Yeah a bunch of criminals and low lives who usually attacked her first. Killing a Chantry preistess and her congregation in heavily Andrastian city is an entirely different matter.

[Hobbes]

I'm personally hoping their input is minimal, in my eyes Hawke has already had their story and I wouldn't like to see them overshadow the Inquisitors story.  I'm glad we get to see them and I hope it wraps up the whole disappearance thing and the involvement Leliana and Cass were discussing at the end of DA2, but I don't really need anything more.

 

For me an ideal situation would be running into Hawke doing whatever it was they were doing, getting their help/helping them for a quest or two, resolving that then sending them on their way for them to help the situation on their own in their own way.  Perhaps hearing of their exploits as I go, but that'd probably be the extent of it....I don't think I'd be too keen on them hanging around the Keep or becoming a companion.

[Reptillius]

Even if Hawke didn't attack Petrice and her Cohort Hawke still should have reported it to somebody. Whether it was somebody in the chantry or somebody like the Senachal.  Then such actions could have been addressed before they turned into the Act II issues.  We aren't given that choice.

[Draninus]

I honestly had very little attachment to Hawke as a character, so I don't really care. 

 

If they wanted to include Hawke as more than just a cameo, it better feel like it has a justifiable story reason beyond just "huurr dur, look it's Hawke, they is tha best" because that would be annoying. 

 

Pretty much this.  I somewhat enjoyed DA2, but my motivation for playing it was more to keep up on lore and because I enjoy the overall setting that Bioware has created with the Dragon Age games.

[Icy Magebane]

It didn't have to resulted in murder and he could have report their action to the authority, but Hawke didn't and tbh he could have try better when in that room filled with hostile Qunari and Tevinter mages. I see Isabela ran away with no problem, why Hawke couldn't...why did he/she has to stay and fight since those Qunari and Tevinter mages were already busy killing each other.

I think the problem is that some are attempting to establish a pattern of incompetence but are focusing only on what Hawke didn't do. 

 

- Hawke also managed to fight off wave after wave of Darkspawn including an Ogre

- Impressed Flemeth to the point where she entrusted him with her backup plan, and essentially her life

- Potentially defended a saarebas against a group of elite Qunari mage-hunters

- Survived and led his friends through unexplored areas of the Deep Roads and even killed a mature dragon and an Ancient Rock Wraith in the process

- Got rich quickly

- Potentially managed to successfully save Feynriel from demons and help him control his powers, a task that not even the Dalish or the Circle's best mages had been able to accomplish

- Potentially declared Basalit-an by one of the three highest ranking Qunari on the planet

- Diffused the Qunari invasion either by combat or negotiation

- Potentially defeated Xebenkek and Hybris, two of the most powerful demons thus far seen on Thedas

- Potentially defeated a Tevinter magister as well as his slave hunters and demonic allies

- Potentially avenged the deaths of the Bone Pit miners at the hands of a High Dragon

- Potentially succeeded in preventing the Rite of Annulment and saving the lives of hundreds of mages

- Potentially became Viscount of Kirwkwall

 

etc...  My point is that there was a lot of good along with the bad.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

*snip*

Noticed, I didn't say that Hawke is incompetent or bad. Don't get me wrong, I still think I have right to criticize but I don't blame everything on Hawke. I just don't see Hawke qualified to lead the Inquisition. You are entitled to your own opinion, and I will stand by what I said. That's that.

[Icy Magebane]

Noticed, I didn't say that Hawke is incompetent or bad. Don't get me wrong, I still think I have right to critize but I don't blame everything on Hawke. I just don't see Hawke qualified to lead the Inquisition. That's that.

Maybe, maybe not... the Inquisitor is a complete unknown and will have to grow into their role... so I'm not willing to say that a rookie hero is more qualified than a veteran who has proven their capability time and time again.  That's my overall point here.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Maybe, maybe not... the Inquisitor is a complete unknown and will have to grow into their role... so I'm not willing to say that a rookie hero is more qualified than a veteran who has proven their capability time and time again.  That's my overall point here.

Indeed, but don't you think it's too soon to judge the Inquisitor's performance. I want to see the Inquisitor start as a rookie, but not every heroes is qualified to lead. Hawke is great and did many things that could change the world, but despite his/her experience I just don't see Hawke as shining example of great leader. We have yet to see the Inquisitor's leadership also so there's room for debate here.

[LostInReverie19]

Maybe, maybe not... the Inquisitor is a complete unknown and will have to grow into their role... so I'm not willing to say that a rookie hero is more qualified than a veteran who has proven their capability time and time again.  That's my overall point here.

 

Have to agree with you. Sometimes it seems that some people are determined to not like Hawke. I think Hawke would be a very capable leader of the Inquisition, rather than some green unknown who has yet to prove their competence. Hawke has already proved themselves time and time again. Hawke has more experience. I'm not saying I don't want to play as the Inquisitor, but if we were playing as Hawke again as leader of the Inquisition, it wouldn't bother me.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

I see Hawke as a temp. companion, and maybe late-game advisor or something... perhaps like Morrigan.
It'll be cool to see Varric and Hawke reunite, also Cassandra was quite enthusiastic about meeting him/her.

[Icy Magebane]

Indeed, but don't you think it's too soon to judge the Inquisitor's performance. I want to see the Inquisitor start as a rookie, but not every heroes is qualified to lead. Hawke is great and did many things that could change the world, but despite his/her experience I just don't see Hawke as shining example of great leader. We have yet to see the Inquisitor's leadership also so there's room for debate here.

I'm only here to defend Hawke... I'm not really trying to say that I don't have faith in the Inquisitor.  They'll probably be a great character, and as people have mentioned, it gives us the chance to try out different races again.  So overall I'm fine with the change.  I just don't think that Hawke should be dismissed based on what amounts to forced quest outcomes that were largely set up in a specific way for the sake of drama.  Hawke did a lot of good, but people seem quick to forget that.

[Br3admax]

Maybe, maybe not... the Inquisitor is a complete unknown and will have to grow into their role... so I'm not willing to say that a rookie hero is more qualified than a veteran who has proven their capability time and time again.  That's my overall point here.

How has Hawke proven themselves as a leader though? Of anything significant? Sure you can say they can become viscount, but you know nothing about how that ends. In the end, Hawke has proven they can kill people, and we know the Inquisitor can kill people. In that aspect they are surely equals, being blessed by the PC Gods. 

[Icy Magebane]

How has Hawke proven themselves as a leader though? Of anything significant? Sure you can say they can become viscount, but you know nothing about how that ends. In the end, Hawke has proven they can kill people, and we know the Inquisitor can kill people. In that aspect they are surely equals, being blessed by the PC Gods. 

The Inquisitor starts off with little to no practical experience even in leading small teams... Hawke on the other hand managed to hold together a group of adventurers that typically hated one another for a period of roughly seven years.  I'd say that's a decent mark on his resume in addition to his other deeds...

[Br3admax]

The Inquisitor starts off with little to no practical experience even in leading small teams... Hawke on the other hand managed to hold together a group of adventurers that typically hated one another for a period of roughly seven years.  I'd say that's a decent mark on his resume in addition to his other deeds...

That doesn't make Hawke a good leader of a two-country-spanning organization. And contrary to popular belief, only Anders and Fenris actually didn't get along that well. Even Isabela and Aveline tolerated and grew to like each other. Neither have proven themselves effect leaders, but the Inquisitor's role will be determined by the player. Hawke has just killed a lot of things, and their story is pretty much finished. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I'm only here to defend Hawke... I'm not really trying to say that I don't have faith in the Inquisitor.  They'll probably be a great character, and as people have mentioned, it gives us the chance to try out different races again.  So overall I'm fine with the change.  I just don't think that Hawke should be dismissed based on what amounts to forced quest outcomes that were largely set up in a specific way for the sake of drama.  Hawke did a lot of good, but people seem quick to forget that.

I don't dismiss him, and I don't know where did you get the idea from since my original post meant that this is the Inquisitor's story so the Warden or Hawke shouldn't steal the spotlight. However I have yet to see the evidence that could qualify Hawke's leadership, sure Hawke's at least good at killing people and did a lot of good and you are right about one thing Hawke shouldn't be dismissed because of his/her mistake, but I fail to see how Hawke is apparently the most important being of Thedas that could solve everything. Every hero makes mistake and not every hero is perfect. Sorry, but I just don't get why so many people believe that Hawke is flawless hero, I don't really see Hawke qualified to lead the Inquisition. That's all.

[Icy Magebane]

That doesn't make Hawke a good leader of a two-country-spanning organization. And contrary to popular belief, only Anders and Fenris actually didn't get along that well. Even Isabela and Aveline tolerated and grew to like each other. Neither have proven themselves effect leaders, but the Inquisitor's role will be determined by the player. Hawke has just killed a lot of things, and their story is pretty much finished. 

Fenris hated Merrill, Sebastian wanted to turn both Merrill and Anders over to the Templars, and Anders strongly disapproved of Merrill at the very least... it wasn't just Anders and Fenris who didn't get along. 

 

Anyway, I agree that neither of them has first hand experience with leading a huge army, but Hawke is a seasoned adventurer who has at the very least led small groups with great success.  He's at least familiar with diplomacy and espionage, whereas the Inquisitor is a novice in all fields.  No practical experience at all.  They are not equals at this point.  Hawke has far more experience than any version of the Inquisitor, except maybe the Tal-Vashoth mercenary.  Maybe.

[aTigerslunch]

I find it funny, people say Hawke was stupid or something else, when the player, playing Hawke, Is Hawke......   interesting. 

[TheJediSaint]

Fenris hated Merrill, Sebastian wanted to turn both Merrill and Anders over to the Templars, and Anders strongly disapproved of Merrill at the very least... it wasn't just Anders and Fenris who didn't get along. 

 

Anyway, I agree that neither of them has first hand experience with leading a huge army, but Hawke is a seasoned adventurer who has at the very least led small groups with great success.  He's at least familiar with diplomacy and espionage, whereas the Inquisitor is a novice in all fields.  No practical experience at all.  They are not equals at this point.  Hawke has far more experience than any version of the Inquisitor, except maybe the Tal-Vashoth mercenary.  Maybe.

The main reason Hawke would be a poor candidate for Inquisitor is that the moment he took the position, a sinkhole would open up and swallow Skyhold.  Because the universe hates Hawke.

[Icy Magebane]

I don't dismiss him, and I don't know where did you get the idea from since my original post meant that this is the Inquisitor's story so the Warden or Hawke shouldn't steal the spotlight. However I have yet to see the evidence that could qualify Hawke's leadership, sure Hawke's at least good at killing people and did a lot of good and you are right about one thing Hawke shouldn't be dismissed because of his/her mistake, but I fail to see how Hawke is apparently the most important being of Thedas that could solve everything. Every hero makes mistake and not every hero is perfect. Sorry, but I just don't get why so many people believe that Hawke is flawless hero, I don't really see Hawke qualified to lead the Inquisition. That's all.

Sorry, I have been trying to generalize in my posts but it's not getting across properly... I mean that many people have negative feelings about Hawke because they blame him for every little problem in DA2.  I don't specifically mean you.

 

With that said, I don't think he's flawless, so I hope it's not coming across that way... I just think that Hawke gets unfairly blamed for things he could never have predicted or when something stupid happens in the story like him forgetting to mention the serial killer to his mother (who was looking for a suitor... *facepalm*).  This crime was basically swept under the rug by the city guard even though Aveline could have been present when Ninette de Carac's (sp) severed hand was first found... and why didn't they find the trap door back then?  They saw a man run away, but didn't think to follow him?  The whole plot is filled with crap like that... I don't blame Hawke because the writers decided Leandra had to die and thus lowed the IQ of everybody involved in the questline.

[Br3admax]

Fenris hated Merrill, Sebastian wanted to turn both Merrill and Anders over to the Templars, and Anders strongly disapproved of Merrill at the very least... it wasn't just Anders and Fenris who didn't get along. 

Fenris hated Merrill as much as he hated anyone else. Anders is the only real problem. Sebastian didn't actively go antagonize either from what I've seen to the point of trying to sell someone into literal slavery. Anders also gets along with Merrill as long on a tone of occasions to. The point is, Hawke's not stopping them from killing each other. They kind of do that on their own. Get along may not be the right phrase, but most of them aren't actively undermining or attacking each other. 

Anyway, I agree that neither of them has first hand experience with leading a huge army, but Hawke is a seasoned adventurer who has at the very least led small groups with great success.  He's at least familiar with diplomacy and espionage, 

That depends on the Hawke. As to the Inquisitor, all are trained in the basic arts of those things, the human and dalish Inquisitors receiving formal training in those. The dwarven one is no doubt versed in espionage. Not sure what the qunari one brings to the table, but I'm sure the horns help. 

 

The main reason Hawke would be a poor candidate for Inquisitor is that the moment he took the position, a sinkhole would open up and swallow Skyhold.  Because the universe hates Hawke.

That too. 

[Icy Magebane]

That depends on the Hawke. As to the Inquisitor, all are trained in the basic arts of those things, the human and dalish Inquisitors receiving formal training in those. The dwarven one is no doubt versed in espionage. Not sure what the qunari one brings to the table, but I'm sure the horns help.

Nah... I'm not going to believe that a rookie fresh out of "formal training" is somehow on the level of a person who fought and negotiated their way from being an impoverished merc living in their uncle's shack to the most respected person in the city and possibly even Viscount.  That's going too far.