Hawke was one of the richest people in Kirkwall, he is also the most respected and is the Champion of the city. As Br3admax also said, in the loading screens of Act III it says he is the second most influential person in Kirkwall behind Meredith. If that's not power, then I don't know what it is.
Yeah, but some people here apparently mix Hawke's acquaintances/friends's power with Hawke's personal power.
I love that people question Hawkes comptency with these lists of failure and such seriously guys if DA2 was a better game "No RailRoading thanks Bioware" Hawke would have been recieved all around if the fans had been given the option to actually affect the story instead of being led around by the collar so to speak.
But Bioware had a story to tell and thats fine and all but went about it in the wrong way removing the players agency/control and guiding the player through their narrative with no real options for player contribution minus the Qunari Arc. And even the DLCs continued the Railroading like having to free Corypheus or having to Help Tallis and Tallis making Hawke look like a idiot and just stroll off with the list.
The amount of hate Hawke is getting, now I'm really tempted to make a Hawke that slaughter the Dalish Warden's clan my new canon.
It isn't already?The amount of hate Hawke is getting, now I'm really tempted to make a Hawke that slaughter the Dalish Warden's clan my new canon.
Tiger, Nice to see you get jumpy and defensive but I didn't say your Hawke didn't have combat Prowess.
What I said is Combat Prowess is no measure of leadership. Yes. You killed a High Dragon and not everybody can do that. Doesn't mean you know how to run an organization and it's not even a unique feat. The Warden can potentially kill a few of them. The warden also manages to broker an almost impossible peace between Zathrian and witherfang as well. Manages to influence the whole of the landsmeet to change the tide of civil unrest, Survive and influence Dwarven politics, and Potentially win over the hearts of the people of Amaranthine after taking it over from it once being an enemy stronghold.
And what the little loading screen blurbs say are conjecture and flavor. They aren't necessarily reality. The Truth of the Matter is that Politically and diplomatically Hawke is kind of a figure head.
Yes it does irk me that somebody supposedly so powerful manages to, in the context of their story (railroaded or not is irrelevant), either do nothing or actually make matters worse (particularly in spite of a few of the choices we can actually make in the game play portions to try and actually make things better). The fact that the narrative parts are still part of Hawke's story and the way Hawke managed to do things whether we like them or not are in fact indicators when it comes to things like the ability of that person to lead. The Fact that the city actually gets worse in the time between the key events we actually get to play and influence shows that Hawke is a poor leader. Specially with the conjecture about how much influence that Hawke has over the city. If we take the conjecture as further evidence it actually means that Hawke whether meaning to or not actually made the problem worse trying to lead the city even though Hawke acting as a lone agent with a small group actually manages to solve some of these problems in the end and potentially even improve the city. There is also the fact that we are never told the actual circumstances in which Hawke leaves the city and potentially the position of Viscount after act III. If Hawke were such an effective leader then it would have been a difficult if not impossible feat to walk away from such a position with being such a key piece of influencing and holding the city together.
Hawke literally is supported by others that do almost all of that for them. Hawke doesn't do the moving and the shaking really. Varric is connected from very early on in the game to pretty much anybody of importance in some way. And then Aveline and in some ways Isabella support this by being rather big figures in their own realms of influence. There are even some nice conversations between Aveline and Varric about his stories being spread around and what they are doing to cause strife for her or build up reputations, including Hawkes. And there is one with Hawke directly where Varric admits to blowing things a bit out of proportion in the stories to make Hawke who they are. It is also these people that get Hawke involved in a large part of various events in Kirkwall.
And Look Varric is now working for the Inquisitor. Guess that takes the connections and diplomacy card out of Hawke's hat for Leadership.
The Warden not being physically present is a double edged sword.
On the one hand, they can't force you to sit through some contrived death scene that is supposed to make you feel something but is in reality just insultingly bad.
On the other, they could kill them in Twitter in the lead up to release.
I'm also hoping that Hawke has more than just a cameo
Since they confirmed that the Warden isn't returning, I'm really, really hoping that Hawke's cameo is just a short Fade vision and nothing more. I don't want him/her to be a major NPC/secret companion/War Asset/Advisor or anything else. If they'd have brought back both previous protagonists (The Warden/Orlesian Warden & Hawke), then I wouldn't mind him/her having a slightly bigger cameo; I just don't like Hawke and I'd be more than happy to never see him/her again.
Exactly... I have no idea how Hawke garnered so much dislike. The only situation where I remember him being incompetent was during All That Remains, but the quest was deliberately designed to shoehorn Leandra's death into the story... blaming Hawke for things like that is unfair.
#blameitonhawke
I was going to respond, but accidentally got bumped and lost all I wrote, not rewriting.
So, short and simple....
My Hawke is worth grouping with.
And this post ends my involvement to this thread.
meh, for someone who was made viscount in my playthroughs, it seems that disappearing after like a year is grounds for poor leadership
meh, for someone who was made viscount in my playthroughs, it seems that disappearing after like a year is grounds for poor leadership
Sounds more like shoddy Writing to me. 
Exactly... I have no idea how Hawke garnered so much dislike. The only situation where I remember him being incompetent was during All That Remains, but the quest was deliberately designed to shoehorn Leandra's death into the story... blaming Hawke for things like that is unfair.
People also blame Tallis for MotA (I personally don't), sooooo it's not that surprising.
Exactly... I have no idea how Hawke garnered so much dislike. The only situation where I remember him being incompetent was during All That Remains, but the quest was deliberately designed to shoehorn Leandra's death into the story... blaming Hawke for things like that is unfair.
meh, for someone who was made viscount in my playthroughs, it seems that disappearing after like a year is grounds for poor leadership
Hawke won't be just cameo as devs said unless they changed their mind but rather they pretty much said if they will bring back warden or hawke it won't be just cameo so i guess s/he either have own part of story or is important for whole game i doubt it will be second option.
What i would prefer well i would be prefer not see them at all and simple leave up to player what s/he is doing
I hope Hawke gets more than just a cameo, I want to know what the heck my Hawke has been up to since the start of the Templar Mage conflict. Where did he go? Is he still banging Isabella? Has he helped his fellow mages in killing Templar scum? These are the things I must know.
I read this whole thread, I don't usually do it but this was all an interesting read...
I knew people didn't like DA2 ( I loved it mainly due to the companions and things like the Qunari problem were more interesting for me than the mage/templar issue) ....But Hawke themselves? I personally don't see how half the things some people here have blamed them for being their fault. (One in particular had me scratching my head. "LETTING your sibling get the blight" ? It's not as if Hawke can just go "HEY BLIGHT : | LEAVE BETHANY AND CARVER ALONE") So, some things I read I feel like people are just looking for things to dislike about Hawke.
What do I feel about Hawke? I really enjoyed Hawke as a protagonist. I grew very attached to Hawke, their friends, and their family. As far as Hawke goes, there is little if anything I would change about their character. As far as it comes to the game, I can hold the quickly made game and their very well done characters on two different stand points.
Everyone of course is entitled to their own opinions....this just happens to be mine.
In what way was Hawke incompetent during All That Remains?
Not mentioning to his mother that a serial killer had been stalking Kirkwall and kidnapping older women for three years was kind of lazy on Hawke's part... especially after she specifically told him that she was thinking of dating again. But as I said, everyone in that quest gets a pass due to the way it was designed. There was also the idiotic idea of waiting until nightfall to look for Leandra, when every second counted... I mean, Hawke was at least on speaking terms if not best friends with the Captain of the Guard, yet they couldn't get together and have the guardsmen search the city and clear people off the streets during the day? I know this is the middle ages, but geez... Also, why not immediately search the foundry where they found Ninette's hand? You know, the one where a mysterious person summoned demons and then disappeared into thin air three years ago? Ugh... I feel like Ghyslain de Carrac... *throws up hands* "Talking about this makes my head hurt!" 
Well, anyway, what's done is done.
Not mentioning to his mother that a serial killer had been stalking Kirkwall and kidnapping older women for three years was kind of lazy on Hawke's part... especially after she specifically told him that she was thinking of dating again.
"Oh you're going on a date, obviously the serial killer."
I mean, the story could have been better handled but blaming Hawke for lacking meta awareness the player had can't be held against him. And this tends to be a reoccurring "theme" that a lot of Anti-Hawke crowd always fall back on. Ironically the people more directly at the fault for the conflict (Isabela stealing the tome from the Quanari's, Elthina refusing to confront Meredith) rarely are actually given the blame.
"Oh you're going on a date, obviously the serial killer."
I mean, the story could have been better handled but blaming Hawke for lacking meta awareness the player had can't be held against him.
Didn't you read my post? I said that he should have mentioned to his mother that a serial killer had been targeting women of her age for three full years... don't you agree that this should have at least been mentioned to her at some point? IMO long before she expressed an interest in dating...
Didn't you read my post? I said that he should have mentioned to his mother that a serial killer had been targeting women of her age for three full years... don't you agree that this should have at least been mentioned to her at some point? IMO long before she expressed an interest in dating...
"Hey, Mom. There's a serial killer on the loose in Kirkwall."
"Oh really? Just the one?"
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