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[PrinceLionheart]

Didn't you read my post?  I said that he should have mentioned to his mother that a serial killer had been targeting women of her age for three full years...  don't you agree that this should have at least been mentioned to her at some point?  IMO long before she expressed an interest in dating...

 

How do we know it wasn't mentioned though? That's the problem with timeskips. There was no point in Act 2 where it could have feasibly come up in a conversation outside of "Watch out, your date might be a Serial Killer" but even then, it still would have ended with her getting killed regardless.

[Sviken]

How do we know it wasn't mentioned though? That's the problem with timeskips. There was no point in Act 2 where it could have feasibly come up in a conversation outside of "Watch out, your date might be a Serial Killer" but even then, it still would have ended with her getting killed regardless.

You didn't see it in the game, it didn't happen. It's that simple. And yes, Hawke could have said 1-2 words to Leandra about the serial killer without breaking the flow of the game, but he didn't. Nor did he hire any guards to protect his mother which quite frankly is stupid since by that time he probably had a few enemies waiting to hurt him, and what's the best way to do that? Go after his family.

 

Hawke is a victim of Bioware's writing, but that doesn't mean his stupidity should be ignored. We're judging him on what he did in the game.

[shackleshotgun]

Bloody hell, it would be hilarious if that would happen. I imagine the Inquisitor would just spend most of their time yelling at my Hawke and Cullen would go trough a nervious breakdown everytime she'd come to the War Room. There would be petitions going around to rename Skyhold to "Strong feeling of discomfort-hold."

 

It's a fun concept, but I doubt it'll happen though.

[TK514]

Didn't you read my post?  I said that he should have mentioned to his mother that a serial killer had been targeting women of her age for three full years...  don't you agree that this should have at least been mentioned to her at some point?  IMO long before she expressed an interest in dating...

 

 

"Hey, Mom.  There's a serial killer on the loose in Kirkwall."

 

"Oh really?  Just the one?"

 

Exactly.  Kirkwall isn't Lothering.  It is home to a teeming multitude.

 

Further, warning Liandra would have been of no use at all, because Quentin didn't try to woo her and snatch her away during dinner, he ambushed her on the street in the middle of the day, on a route she had traveled countless times before and was comfortable with.  Hawke saying three years previous "Oh, I worked on a serial murder case with the Templars and Aveline today.  Grizzly stuff, targeting women like that" would have had zero effect on her stopping to help someone who appeared to be injured.

 

Hawke had absolutely no control over or responsibility for that situation.

[Icefalcon]

I feel poor old Hawke is getting the blame for a lot of script problems in DA2.  When I first played the game I was stunned at some of the options you do not have.

 

For Example, and I know I've said this before, treat Merrill like you treat every other Blood Mage in the game and run her through in her intro, or at the very least have the opportunity to sack her from the party as soon as her intro is over. You can opt not to choose Isabela and Fenris yet Merrill is the most at odds companion with Hawke's stance whether they are pro-mage or pro-templar. 

 

Another example a few people have mentioned is the Shepherding Wolves quest. This is begging for an option in your first meeting with Petrice that says Take a long walk off of a short pier! Yet is was a mandatory quest  you simply cannot back out of.

 

Both these examples and I know you will all have favourite examples of your own is a scripting issue. You are given no choice by the writer therefore it's harsh to blame Hawke when my Hawke spent most of her time thinking there was no way any of this should be happening.

 

I also believe that including the options missing above would not have harmed the game.  You could meet Petrice again later and remember her as the woman who tried to hire you for a way too dodgy job you backed out of and Merrill's quests are no more or less of a loss than Izzy or Fenris

 

I love DA2 I prefer it to Origins by some way, but it's not a perfect script and I think Hawke did the best she could with what she had to work with

[Sviken]

Exactly.  Kirkwall isn't Lothering.  It is home to a teeming multitude.

 

Further, warning Liandra would have been of no use at all, because Quentin didn't try to woo her and snatch her away during dinner, he ambushed her on the street in the middle of the day, on a route she had traveled countless times before and was comfortable with.  Hawke saying three years previous "Oh, I worked on a serial murder case with the Templars and Aveline today.  Grizzly stuff, targeting women like that" would have had zero effect on her stopping to help someone who appeared to be injured.

 

Hawke had absolutely no control over or responsibility for that situation.

Maybe hire a guard or something to watch over her? Considering the work Hawke did, I sincerely doubt many of the low-life scum liked him.

[TK514]

Maybe hire a guard or something to watch over her? Considering the work Hawke did, I sincerely doubt many of the low-life scum liked him.

Speculation.

 

We know his only known legitimate business enterprise paid protection money to the Coterie, and they though well enough of him to take his word when he was found kneeling over the murdered body of the person they sent to assist him.

 

We know that Varric paid bribes to the various other underworld organizations, and he was a known associate of Hawke.

 

We know, and they would know, that Hawke was close friends with the Captain of the Guard, and in a similar vein that Hawke had personally opened up new opportunities for surviving underworld organizations by disposing of the competition.

 

Then there's the matter of not seeing any other nobility wandering around with a full guard compliment.  In fact, the only 'noble' house we visit that has any guards at all outside the Viscounts palace is Bartrand's, and he was flat out insane.

 

Basically, Hawke acted exactly like all the other nobility, with the added bonus of being a murder machine to those that crossed him.

 

Then there's the fact that Liandra had been making that exact same trip for three years without mishap.  Why would she need guards?

 

Not that it would have mattered, mind you, as shown in Act 3.  Carver/Bethany could be stationed in an outpost of the Grey Wardens outside Kirkwall entirely and still be kidnapped with ease by lunatics and idiots.

 

No, I'm not buying that guards were a reasonable or necessary response to Hawke's situation, nor that they would have had any effect whatsoever.

[Icefalcon]

It must also be said, considering the number disposed of over the course of DA2 that Hawke is unlikely to set much store by local guards

[Ryzaki]

Eh I don't want Hawke to be in the spotlight too long.

 

He got railroaded enough in DA2 I don't want to see what a game where he's not even the protagonist will do to him.

[KaiserShep]

You didn't see it in the game, it didn't happen. It's that simple. And yes, Hawke could have said 1-2 words to Leandra about the serial killer without breaking the flow of the game, but he didn't. Nor did he hire any guards to protect his mother which quite frankly is stupid since by that time he probably had a few enemies waiting to hurt him, and what's the best way to do that? Go after his family.

 

Hawke is a victim of Bioware's writing, but that doesn't mean his stupidity should be ignored. We're judging him on what he did in the game.

 

Considering that Kirkwall is teeming with crazy people as well as bandits that may just clap a poor sucker in chains to be sold into slavery, it would be like me warning my family that NYC is full of dangerous people.

 

"No sh**, Sherlock" would be the most logical response.

 

Seems to me that the only real recourse to prevent kidnapping or death in that city is to never go outside and just send the murder machine Hawke to buy the groceries.

[Vox Draco]

I don't mind Hawke appearing for a while. I am genuinely interested to learn what happened to her after DA2. Also DA2's events are, after all, very much the groundwork to DA-inquisition. We had an entire game of Cassandra squeezing out information from Varric about this whole incident in Kirkwall that, as I udnerstand it, was the initial spark that set the templar-mage-conflict ablaze...

 

Also I like Hawke. I liked it that not everything was avoidable for her. Much of the discussion here is ... futile and reminds me of the old "Why didn't Gandalf use the eagles to throw the ring into Mount Doom"-argument. Because you have no story then (despite various other reasons that are usually ignored). Hawke was, in contrast to the Warden, not a blank slate. In fact Hawke and her story was like taking an origin-story from Origin (!) to the extreme and make a whole game of it. And I liked that approach, though many people obviously didn't...

 

And I am glad the Warden doesn't return in person as well. Why? Because how will she look exactly like back then when I created her? How would she speak and react the way I imagined her? All I ask about the Warden is: Keep everything about her in the shadows. I want her to be still alive, happily married to Alistair and Queen of Ferelden (with the personal fanfic that she found a cure against being a Grey warden beyond Morrigan's Mirror ... she never wanted to be a warden anyway, and hated Duncan for that, sorry Alistair ...^^)

 

Most of all I am looking forward to the new char. I can't wait to play her. Cleaning up all the mess that the stupid templars and the crazy mages created, and save the world from that new enemy. After all, there is a foe far more dangerous, and it needs to be taken care of with extreme force:The damn Qun...Exalted March against Par Vollen!

[Grieving Natashina]

I feel poor old Hawke is getting the blame for a lot of script problems in DA2.  When I first played the game I was stunned at some of the options you do not have.

 

For Example, and I know I've said this before, treat Merrill like you treat every other Blood Mage in the game and run her through in her intro, or at the very least have the opportunity to sack her from the party as soon as her intro is over. You can opt not to choose Isabela and Fenris yet Merrill is the most at odds companion with Hawke's stance whether they are pro-mage or pro-templar. 

 

Another example a few people have mentioned is the Shepherding Wolves quest. This is begging for an option in your first meeting with Petrice that says Take a long walk off of a short pier! Yet is was a mandatory quest  you simply cannot back out of.

 

You do realize that the lack of choices came from EA giving BioWare just barely over one year from start to finish to complete DA2?   Check the release dates.  DA2 was released almost exactly one year after the release of Awakening.  BioWare even said that they had planned to do another expansion/DLC for Origins, but EA pushed them to get DA2 out the door as fast as possible.   

 

DA: Awakening: US release March 16th, 2010 

DA2: US release March 8, 2011

 

Once DA2 was done, and they had gotten the DLCs put together, EA then told them to stop working on DA2 (which included things like patches) and start to get to work on the next game.  This would have given them about 2 years to work on DA:I (it was supposed to come out last year originally, with a human only PC.)  Somehow, EA learned not to kill the Golden Goose and allowed them more time to work on the games.

 

On topic: I don't mind seeing Hawke again, but I'd rather not have them as a fixture at Skyhold though.  I am curious to see how s/he's been and why s/he disappeared, but I would rather not have them around the whole game.  Partially because I'd like to keep the focus on my current PC, and also because whenever I look at the blood smear on default Hawke I want to wash their face.  

[TK514]

Partially because I'd like to keep the focus on my current PC, and also because whenever I look at the blood smear on default Hawke I want to wash their face.  

My Hawke with the Port Wine birthmark that looks like a smear is pretty sure it doesn't wash off.

[BobZilla84]

I am curious will our Hawke mention his LI in DAI like I wanna know where Isabella is and why she isn't with him I forsee some retcons like Isabella will always get the Ship and she will run off and break Hawkes heart.

[Siforth]

I'd love to see Hawke in DAI, though not as a constant participant but still more than just a cameo. Maybe a mission together) Just to exchange opinions, talk to Varric, etc

[DuskWanderer]

I would definitely like to see Hawke show up for a mission or two, and to banter with Bethany/Carver when they show up for a cameo mission

[Kingthlayer]

It honestly makes no difference whether or not Hawke plays a major role or a minor role in inquisition.  If he shows up for 10 seconds and leaves, fine, if he stays around and helps with the Inquisition, that's cool as well.  While I was the one controlling Hawke in DA2, he was never my character, he was always BioWare's(same with the Warden) if they want to bring him back, and have him die in Inquisition, it's their story, I'm not going to cry if Hawke dies, I'm not going to cheer if he spends the rest of his life in a little hut with Isabella, it is what it is.

 

If bringing back Hawke, makes the story of Inquisition better, he should come back.

[Icefalcon]

You do realize that the lack of choices came from EA giving BioWare just barely over one year from start to finish to complete DA2?   Check the release dates.  DA2 was released almost exactly one year after the release of Awakening.  BioWare even said that they had planned to do another expansion/DLC for Origins, but EA pushed them to get DA2 out the door as fast as possible.   

 

DA: Awakening: US release March 16th, 2010 

DA2: US release March 8, 2011

 

Once DA2 was done, and they had gotten the DLCs put together, EA then told them to stop working on DA2 (which included things like patches) and start to get to work on the next game.  This would have given them about 2 years to work on DA:I (it was supposed to come out last year originally, with a human only PC.)  Somehow, EA learned not to kill the Golden Goose and allowed them more time to work on the games.

 

On topic: I don't mind seeing Hawke again, but I'd rather not have them as a fixture at Skyhold though.  I am curious to see how s/he's been and why s/he disappeared, but I would rather not have them around the whole game.  Partially because I'd like to keep the focus on my current PC, and also because whenever I look at the blood smear on default Hawke I want to wash their face.  

Yes I appreciate the problems Bioware had, which is also why i think they've labelled DAI the game they always wanted to make. (Part of me likes to think Bioware would have been more willing to meet fans over ME3 without their EA masters).

 

I agree with your points totally, but I still say that a lot of the issues people have brought up with Hawke are scripting issues rather than options you get to make as a player, granted they are beyond Bioware's control too I suspect due to time/money constraints but poor old Hawke shouldn't have to carry the can for them.

[BlazingSpeed]

Indeed, but I think at least it's partial Hawke's fault. Hawke learns that a group he/she's working for is Chantry's fanatics, but let them get away during the first act of course Hawke couldn't have known the consequences, but he/she didn't act fast enough to stop them either, and also Hawke didn't chase after Isabela when she ran away.

 

Not to mention letting Tallis get away with that list even after realizing what was going on I mean not even a halt! you can't just run away with that list.....

 

Add that to most of what Br3admax already posted and yeah Hawke is definitely not the brightest of the bunch. Hawke leading the Inquisition? You must be joking at least the mute Warden was/could be the Warden commander of Ferelden and seeing how Bioware wrote most of the DA2 cast I'd rather the Warden stay missing too.

[Doominike]

I'd like for Hawke to not stay too long, for 2 main reasons:

 

1-> Think whatever you want of her, Hawke is a world-class badass (a deleted line even had Varric called her a "god among men"), I wouldn't want the Inquisitor to be robbed of too much spotlight 

 

2-> The less time she's there the less opportunity there is for her to do or say things my Hawke's wouldn't 

[nagisa-aoi87]

I won't be upset if she (my female Hawke) just appears as a cameo, i just hope she won't die  ! She wants to be happy with Isabela