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[KelaSaar]

I just want the peace conference to be filled with characters I don't like.  It's literally the only place where' I'd be happy to see an Isolde cameo.

[Hydwn]

Did I miss new information again? I mean, the Character Creator livestrem in Twitch showed a probable beginning of the game: mages and templars marching to the Temple, then everything explodes and the future Inquisitor wakes up in a ruined landscape that may be the Fade. So no cameos, no talking to the guests, nothing.

 

That's why I'm asking if there's new information.

 

It's entirely possible that the story starts in medias res.  It's not so farfetched since DA2 starts that way.  The explosion, followed by the Fade as a stark beginning would seem unsatisfying, especially given their promise that players new to the series can just jump in.  There'd have to be a recap of what the conference is, and what it represented, before its destruction had any real meaning.

 

I'm guessing that after character design, they'll step back a step to before the explosion.  That way they don't have to start the scene with  a fake Inquisitor the way DA2 started with a fake Hawke, or force a third-person perspective.

 

It's also possible the Fade was chosen as a design area simply because it's a suitably neutral background that matches the game thematically, and the narrative hasn't actually started yet.

[Kieran G.]

The Mercenary Band your Qunari comes from is there as Security.

 

But More than that. We are talking about a world wide event. You can consider the groups there everything from Reporters to Supporters and Dissidents.  Everybody has a stake in what happens between the two factions  It's not just two groups and a moderator because this is no mundane peace conference.  Normal Rules are not going to apply.

But they aren't going to be in the meeting its self since they have no reason to be. and i know thats why the mercenaries are there. i said that. And yes ambassadors are probably going to be there and other representatives. but in the temple its self where its a meeting just to end the templars and mage conflict there probably wont be hundreds of other random people around. just people from  each faction who can negotiate a peace and how ever many helpers those people need, and probably a few clerics here and there.

 

Just like at most peace conferences they're are always going to be respected faces. But i doubt any of them would be invited into the most sacred temple in the entire world to the chantry. just so they could listen. thats why i would guess they are just around haven since it was probably taken over by chantry loyalist as a camp ground. and since we know our inquisition starts there.

 

Personally if i can get my hair brain theory in. is that the Elder One himself didn't cause the explosion directly but. Priests or Clerics from the Black Chantry were at the summit and one of them happened to be a Venatori agent who planted a bomb like the one we saw in DA2 but much much more powerful and that sent us into the fade where a spirits saves us by opening up a tear(which you can slightly see behind her in The Enemy of Thedas trailer) so as Cassandra say's "You walked out of the fade. and our soldiers found you." i doubt that portal just stayed open long enough for the inquisitor to jump in and out in a reasonable time.

[Kieran G.]

It's entirely possible that the story starts in medias res.  It's not so farfetched since DA2 starts that way.  The explosion, followed by the Fade as a stark beginning would seem unsatisfying, especially given their promise that players new to the series can just jump in.  There'd have to be a recap of what the conference is, and what it represented, before its destruction had any real meaning.

 

I'm guessing that after character design, they'll step back a step to before the explosion.  That way they don't have to start the scene with  a fake Inquisitor the way DA2 started with a fake Hawke, or force a third-person perspective.

 

It's also possible the Fade was chosen as a design area simply because it's a suitably neutral background that matches the game thematically, and the narrative hasn't actually started yet.

They might do what dead space and Bioshock burial at sea did. the whole "Last time on Dead Space" yada yada.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'd like there to be at least a few notable people there.

 

I'm not expecting much though.

[TheChosenOne]

I hope I don't see anyone I know and like because.......well...........

 

[aTigerslunch]

Big boom, big badaboom.

 

Yep, cant wait to see who is there.    Wonder who is, kinda thinking that its not really going to be anyone huge, possibly. I'm so excited!  I will be saddened when it goes.

 

Kaboom, where is the earth shattering Kaboom?

 

Not for another 46 days........ Marvin, have to be patient.

[introverted_assassin]

Booty is love?? Okay...But anyway

literally wondered how long i'd read before someone else noticed that. laughed too long about it. sorry.

I am more curious about who isn't there for whatever reason. This gathering is of great significance so who exactly wouldn't be invited? Narrow that list down and...I got nothing.

[dgcatanisiri]

I'm thinking that they'll at least start the game proper with some element of the events leading up to the explosion. Or they might slowly reveal bits and pieces of it over the course of the game. But this conference is the kick off to the Breach, which closing is one of the major points of the game, so I doubt it's going to just be skimmed over.

 

At the least, I would expect that the bit with the glowy figure and the Inquisitor reaching towards it would be led by even a brief scene of the conference itself.

 

As for cameo casualties, I really would not be surprised to see Bann Teagan there. I mean, just to cause Redcliffe even more grief when we go there. Not only are there Tevinter mages running amuck, one of the guys who has been a rallying figure for the people during several crises dies in the explosion. Because Redcliffe can't have nice things.

[Devil's Avocado]

I'm actually hoping we'll see people we know and like at the conference since something tells me they may return in later parts of the game. We 'think' they die in the explosion, or they could have been sucked into the fade.

[aTigerslunch]

I know that Cassie at first will blame the mage inquisitor for that boom.  Any more than that I cant say.

[Reptillius]

Kieran really you can't say who all won't be in that room. When it comes to things like this they can be pretty public.  One reason for actually holding it in such a Chantry literally could be that it's one of the few places that really can hold all of the interested parties so that they can see and hear what's going on.

 

Your assuming that the Chantry is somehow locked down worse than a prison and everybody that actually is negotiating is doing so in some tiny room somewhere.  Thedas has been known to do things very publicly.  this is shown most particularly in the Landsmeet of Fereldan but shows up somewhat in the way Kirkwall is as well.

 

your talking not about modern politics but more middle ages societies where decrees, negotiations, and judgements were quite often done rather publicly in the throne rooms, in the town squares, and even in the competition arena's and on battle fields amongst the troops.  They could be surprisingly more transparent than many of our own legal systems today because of these facts.

 

And the event we are talking about is indeed one of these kinds of events. An Event that not only may be very public but may very well have riders from different groups practically already on their horses back ready to spread the word far and wide about the end result of the whole meeting before the ink is fully signed on the parchments between the negotiating parties themselves.

[Hydwn]

They might do what dead space and Bioshock burial at sea did. the whole "Last time on Dead Space" yada yada.

 

I've seen my boyfriend play Dead Space.  I've played Bioshock, though not Burial at Sea.  I don't get the reference.  A fake recap...?  It might be a bit of a genre shift from what we've seen.

 

I was thinking it was maybe just a thematically-appropriate, neutral background, and people are reading too much into it - that maybe the thinking was "Hey, this game is about the Fade, and starts in the Fade, and the Fade has the lighting we're looking for.  Let's use that."  Maybe the story hasn't started yet.

 

After all, you seem to be designing your character in a house of some kind in DAO, and I don't think we ever return to that house.  We don't necessarily start there.  And don't get me started on the black background of Hawke is designed against - clearly the Void as described in Chantry dogma

[Hydwn]

Kieran really you can't say who all won't be in that room. When it comes to things like this they can be pretty public.  One reason for actually holding it in such a Chantry literally could be that it's one of the few places that really can hold all of the interested parties so that they can see and hear what's going on.

 

Your assuming that the Chantry is somehow locked down worse than a prison and everybody that actually is negotiating is doing so in some tiny room somewhere.  Thedas has been known to do things very publicly.  this is shown most particularly in the Landsmeet of Fereldan but shows up somewhat in the way Kirkwall is as well.

 

your talking not about modern politics but more middle ages societies where decrees, negotiations, and judgements were quite often done rather publicly in the throne rooms, in the town squares, and even in the competition arena's and on battle fields amongst the troops.  They could be surprisingly more transparent than many of our own legal systems today because of these facts.

 

And the event we are talking about is indeed one of these kinds of events. An Event that not only may be very public but may very well have riders from different groups practically already on their horses back ready to spread the word far and wide about the end result of the whole meeting before the ink is fully signed on the parchments between the negotiating parties themselves.

 

I'd be inclined to agree.  If nothing else, the army of mages and Templars marching to the Temple seem to suggest a huge, public event.  And the presence of Elven and Dwarven spies working the crowd imply something that wasn't so closed.  A small room with carefully vetted negotiators wouldn't afford an opportunity for agents of Elves and Dwarves to slip in.

 

I'm worried that they'll use it as an opportunity to clean up loose ends in one explosive, levelling blast that eliminates characters whose stories might be complicating factors.  I'm really, really hoping that a certain potential monarch of Ferelden doesn't make it in time, though I strongly suspect his mother will be  

[Kieran G.]

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Well the CC is actually in the fade, you see that in the CC trailer since you see the Inquisitor turn around and look at the spirits from the enemy of thedas trailer. so maybe they do the whole hawke thing and give us a generic face. 

 

But with the "last time in Blank" was just an idea of how they are going to tell new fan's what the hell has been happening. 

 

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I've been saying for long time there would be ambassadors and representatives at the event but not inside the temple. but at a summit which is as a very exclusive location already doesn't exactly seem like the place they are going to open the door to. especially since the Chantry likes to keep things in house as it is. If any representatives are there it would be a very small amount who aren't in the room with the Divine and Templar/Mage's leaders. again i would expect them to be in haven waiting word so they can then send info back to their homeland, Haven is also where Cassandra and Leliana are probably located. 

 

And i don't exactly know what you are talking about when it comes to midevil politics since today most things like that are recorded and uploaded for people to see and have many different people speaking. Unless you are talking about Catholic church during the midevil age since they acted moderators a lot of the times and would commonly invite other Papal leaders. but otherwise most treaties were just between the two parties.

 

I don't see why this would be so different? You have the templars and the Mage's. then ambassadors who are probably just there to pass along info the Reigning monarchs. but again i doubt they are in the summit its self since again that is the holiest site in the entire world to the chantry and houses the sacred ashes. 

 

And i don't know why you are considering the landsmeet as an example of unofficial members being there since every voice there was a voting party or a candidate. the only person who was there out of respect was the grand cleric. so i don't know what foreigner ambassador you saw there or respected face to speak on someones behalf. And i don't know what example you're pulling from kirkwall since we never saw any type of treaty signing of negotiation. 

 

The Chantry already handles almost all activities in house. was any kind of representative of the Empress at the meeting where Lambart dissolved the Nevarran accord?

Was any Orlesian official informed about the plot to kill the divine with a high dragon? 

Was Denerim or any bann informed the Circle Tower had fallen to demons?

Even in TME Celene tells the Divine to get the MT war ended, pretty much saying it was her responsibility even though the tension was in her nation.

 

Again you're not giving any evidence saying they would have dozens of nation officials or respected faces in the room with the divine while they discuss peace. All this is, is a peace summit, this is between the Templar higher ups and the Mage higher ups so they can both rejoin the chantry. thats why the armies are there since they think they are marching to peace. but Why would Teagan or Some other random Ambassador be inside the temple to hear these discussions? if anything i would suspect the Chantry to just want the decision to be in house and then tell the world after the decision has been made.

 

Just like when they choose a new pope. the respected members all come in, they stay in until a choice has been made, and then everyone else finds out. 

 

Also i really am confused on what you mean that i am thinking of modern day politics. if you can give me some examples of Modern Negotiations which don't have respected UN, Catholic, US, EU, or so forth parties i would love for you to tell me and explain what you mean.

[Wolfen09]

I'm thinking that they'll at least start the game proper with some element of the events leading up to the explosion. Or they might slowly reveal bits and pieces of it over the course of the game. But this conference is the kick off to the Breach, which closing is one of the major points of the game, so I doubt it's going to just be skimmed over.

 

At the least, I would expect that the bit with the glowy figure and the Inquisitor reaching towards it would be led by even a brief scene of the conference itself.

 

As for cameo casualties, I really would not be surprised to see Bann Teagan there. I mean, just to cause Redcliffe even more grief when we go there. Not only are there Tevinter mages running amuck, one of the guys who has been a rallying figure for the people during several crises dies in the explosion. Because Redcliffe can't have nice things.

 

you know, i was wondering this.... where the hell is bann teagan when alexius occupies red cliffe castle.... isnt teagan supposed to be arl of redcliffe?  Is he dead?  Did he cooperate with Alexius.... or did Alexius just steal it while teagan was away on holiday?

[Maferath]

In medias res, bitches!

This. My guess is that we'll get a flashback to previous events when we touch the glowy figure's hand.

[Reptillius]

Now perhaps something happened in the books that I am not aware of. I haven't really read them much.  But as of DA:O the Urn of Sacred Ashes was either taken on a bit of a tour or Kept in the Temple where you found it with visitors making pilgrimages to it.  This means that it is not in some Vatican-esque chantry.  I personally (and admittedly lacking on reading the books at this point) Have yet to see anything that really says or suggests that Any Chantry is really to the point of being these super secret locked down fortresses that you could attribute to much of the Vatican in our own RL religious scenarios.  Most of them seem pretty open except for a few key areas doing things like housing those that actually live there.

 

 

Secondly. Picking a pope is not a true diplomacy/negotiation scenario.  Or at least it's not meant to be at any rate. The Fact that they are sequestered does not mean that all such events are.

 

As for the Landsmeet. There are like 50 or 60 people in that room. There are less than 20 actually voting on the manner. (Like 6 on each side up on the balconies that make votes on the matter).  What do you consider the rest of the crowd around you? Other than dignitaries and representatives interested in the outcome?  There is a crowd that gets a little shocked and steps back when you get Violent with Loghain.  Where does that crowd come from if it is not a negotiation in a somewhat open setting with other interested parties not in on the decision being there to pay witness to what happens?

 

 

The Events that you are talking about are what I am actually implying and have described as being Modern Politics. That of just a couple of chosen representatives sitting before a single mediator in a small room and everything else is completely after the fact and as often as not partially undlisclosed and you have to go digging or wait a while to truly learn about everything agreed to.

 

In Medevil times this often was not how it was done.  land Disputes. Conflicts and other things were often negotiated in front of who ever happened to be there at the time.  Some in house debating for a single sign about accepting or refusing those demands might have been done.

 

But it wasn't as often a case of:

"We're having a dispute."

"ok. You two come over here in this little room and we'll solve it."

 

They were most often taken care of by whoever was in charge of that area. Whether it a noble or a church official or whatever in front of other people that had their own complaints for that day.  And big ones that lots of people knew about would have others show up just to find out the outcome and what both sides had to say.  most negotiations weren't hidden away in some conspiratorial fashion of the time.  There were certain ones between Monarchies in fact that would take months to solve because Neither Monarch would actually even see each other face to face. They'd just send messages and representatives back and forth repeatedly until they had either worked things out or decided they would have their armies fight each other.

 

The Real Truth of the Matter is you don't march armies to settle peace. You march armies expecting war.  You march armies to say "You will back down and give me what I want because I will crush you here."