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[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Seriously, why is it ok to have a game, and then have 4 of what would be the better parts of the game, sold as DLCs? Isn't a game expensive enough. I hate that we're living in a world where to play all of a video game, you have to spend $120 now. Like, who the **** wants  to spend that much on material, like Javik, that should've been in the game in the first place?!

 

It's one thing to make a game, and a year later decide to add something to it and charge like, $5 to download the add-on. But right when ME3 came out, it had a $15 squadmate DLC to add to the whole 3 squadmates you spend half of the game with. Oh, how nice of them. It's just a cash grab from cash cows.

 

DLCs in general are getting ridiculous. It's just like how Blue Rays are having Blue Ray-only this deleted scenes and special features. I'm not buying Blue Ray DVDs because I don't have a hd TV, and the Blue Ray DVDs are too expensive. I refuse to give them more money than I'm already paying for stupid reasons like that.

 

Same thing with DLCs. They're not even worth $15, especially when you can beat them in an hour and a half.

[themikefest]

Wow. $15 for a squadmate dlc. I paid $10 for the dlc and have Javik as a squadmate. I also paid $10 for Leviathan

 

The only dlc's that cost $15 were Omega and Citadel. 

[Probe Away]

I agree that From Ashes and Leviathan should have been in the vanilla game because they are a big part of the ME3 story.  IIRC, Leviathan actually adds dialogue to the final confrintation with the Catalyst.

 

Omega and Citadel I didn't have an issue with buying because they are side stories, like LotSB in ME2.  I think they were way overpriced tho.  In Australia they started at $25 each on PS3....

[Allison_Lightning]

The DVDs still has the full movie or episodes on them. While I like the special features where they talk about story and characters as a writer, they aren't a big deal. As an Australian, games at their base cost are fairly pricey. The only DLC in the third game I really got mad, for other people which wasn't in the base game was Leviathan. The internet is also very expensive and frustrating in Australia when it comes to living in a lot of places, and the bandwidth issues get me a lot more than the DLC price point. I'd like them to address that over the fact DLC cost money. I'd gratefully pay more for a retail DLC disc. 

[Larry-3]

No DLC should be 15 dollars. I seen Mass Effect 1 for 15 dollars somewhere. I miss the day when story DLC's were 4.99$.

[Quarian Master Race]

Uhh....so don't buy them. Find another entertainment medium. Or start a political movement with like minded individuals. As long as market forces dictate that the prices are palatable for most consumers and the product continues to produce maximum profit, your opinion is irrelevant and complaining is pointless.

DLC prices are what they are because gamers are by and large lazy. $15 is "okay" because people will spend that much. As an aside, when adjusted for inflation games and systems are cheaper to buy yet more expensive to produce than ever.

DLC is optional. Pay the price, accept the product as is, or express your discontent by going somewhere else. Misplaced entitlement isn't going to get you a free lunch or change the industry's mind.

[herkles]

I like the bioware DLC, all of them have been fun(baring Pinacle station but that is free)

 

I only really have 2 issues.

 

1.) no uber collector's edition on origin for all 3 games and all the DLC(hey I would have loved to pay for it all at once). 

2.) have to pay Bioware bucks. I just want to pay the amount the ask. 

[DrBlingzle]

I agree that From Ashes and Leviathan should have been in the vanilla game because they are a big part of the ME3 story.  IIRC, Leviathan actually adds dialogue to the final confrintation with the Catalyst.

 

Omega and Citadel I didn't have an issue with buying because they are side stories, like LotSB in ME2.  I think they were way overpriced tho.  In Australia they started at $25 each on PS3....

I've got to agree with this.

When a DLC are core to the story and are actually very important bits, I think that's unfair because people who don't bu them will be missing out on core story elements. Especially because from ashes was day 1 DLC meaning it could of easily of been put in the game.

However if the DLC is just a side activity, something that goes beside the main story I don't really have a problem. I mean you buy the game for a price are happy for; the developers then go away and spend extra time and money making extra content; you then pay extra for that content. Extra work, for extra money, that sounds like a fair buisness model to me. And if you think think it's too expensive then hey, just don't buy it.

[ZipZap2000]

Not a fan of DLC ME is the only franchise I've spent money on DLC for. I was however robbed at one point and when I replaced all my old games, I decided to be as cheap as possible and in the end I figured out that buying a used copy and using the money saved, to spend on DLC, works out very well for the consumer.

 

Used copy of Mass Effect 1 $4.99 AU

 

Used copy of Mass Effect 2 $7.99 AU

 

Used copy of Mass Effect 3 $27.99 AU

 

DLC for Mass Effect 2 roughly $40.00 AU

 

DLC for Mass Effect 3 roughly $60.00 AU

 

The money I saved from purchasing used copies

 

Mass Effect 1 $33.00 (N/A in stores only online purchase of $37.99)

 

Mass Effect 2 $31

 

Mass Effect 3 $30

 

So all up if I take what I saved from what I spent I'm left with $6 so all the DLC cost me $6. If you want to avoid giving away extra money for content you think should have been in the game buy a used copy and spend what you saved on the DLC. It's a good compromise that works out for customer and company, you get your content and they make some money from a second hand purchase for once.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Uhh....so don't buy them. Find another entertainment medium. Or start a political movement with like minded individuals. As long as market forces dictate that the prices are palatable for most consumers and the product continues to produce maximum profit, your opinion is irrelevant and complaining is pointless.

DLC prices are what they are because gamers are by and large lazy. $15 is "okay" because people will spend that much. As an aside, when adjusted for inflation games and systems are cheaper to buy yet more expensive to produce than ever.

DLC is optional. Pay the price, accept the product as is, or express your discontent by going somewhere else. Misplaced entitlement isn't going to get you a free lunch or change the industry's mind.

 

Then maybe gamers should stop being "lazy". People shouldn't go with the flow. If enough people rioted against the prices of DLCs, the market would eventually change how they did things. I don't know why people think it's ok to spend $60 on a game that's half complete by the time you spend another $60 adding the add-ons. That's ridiculous and people need to say something. Us, here, everywhere. It's bullshit on a stick. People aren't entitled to much, but they are entitled to have an opinion and be heard.

 

All of the complaining about the endings, for example, got us a new ending. If that many people banded together and complained about the DLC's prices, they would eventually listen. 

 

It'll just keep getting worst.  And I've got too much in my life to start anything against it, but other people could. I just want to give someone else a reason to. 

[SporkFu]

I'll agree with From the Ashes being a core story element. Even though it's not strictly necessary in order to complete the game, I couldn't imagine playing it without Javik around. Leviathan, though? I dunno. Don't get me wrong, I liked it alot. It's a great little adventure, and there's lots of cool stuff in it, but I played the game several times without Leviathan and its footprint on the game is... well, it's not a big footprint. If Leviathan had said to shep, "Now listen. You're just a puny human and I could squash you with barely a thought, but I'm gonna tell you how to beat the reapers...."

That would be different.   

 

Having said that, I've gotten my money's worth and more out of all the DLC I bought. I have no regrets. 

[Farangbaa]

I don't really mind much about spending extra money on extras. I've always saw DLC as 'you like the game? well here's some more of what you like!' and I'd go 'here, take my money!'

 

Blame me for me the prices, guys like me make it possible they keep it so expensive

 

oh btw, you don't think the DLC's are stupid. You don't like the prices, very different thing.

 

And honestly... 120 dollars for a game I've spent countless hours on isn't much by any means. I've spent more on crazy clubbing nights (lots of drinks, cocaine, weed ), and that's just one night. Mass Effect has lasted me for years and I've only just been cured. 

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

I'll agree with From the Ashes being a core story element. Even though it's not strictly necessary in order to complete the game, I couldn't imagine playing it without Javik around. Leviathan, though? I dunno. Don't get me wrong, I liked it alot. It's a great little adventure, and there's lots of cool stuff in it, but I played the game several times without Leviathan and its footprint on the game is... well, it's not a big footprint. If Leviathan had said to shep, "Now listen. You're just a puny human and I could squash you with barely a thought, but I'm gonna tell you how to beat the reapers...."

That would be different.   

 

Having said that, I've gotten my money's worth and more out of all the DLC I bought. I have no regrets. 

 

That's good. But the From Ashes DLC is pretty significant, and it seems like a punishment for those who buy the game without it, that still spent $60. 

It's like, oh, well the 2nd game had 12 squadmates. But GUESS WHAT? In the 3rd game, you only get like, 4 for most of the game, but if you spend $10....you get 5! See how nice we were?

 

It's like Bioware promoting the new default femshep. What was wrong with the first one? I guess they were just trying to cover up how badly they messed up the face codes. Where we supposed to be impressed by their laziness?

[Grieving Natashina]

 

 

It's like Bioware promoting the new default femshep. What was wrong with the first one? I guess they were just trying to cover up how badly they messed up the face codes. Where we supposed to be impressed by their laziness?

Okay, that part is flat out untrue.  The reason that they promoted the fem Shep and had fans vote on it was due to complaints from women and from men that played fem Shep that she was never in any of the advertising, never on the box and not mentioned on the main site as being available as a choice.  Not to mention that male Shepard is based on a real life male model.

 

They felt at the time that the fans should decide what fem Shep would look like.  I mean, she never got any mainstream advertising, but she was being a focus for once on the net.  This kinda backfired, and led a lot of folks decrying that BioWare had tried to run a beauty contest.  I disagree, but I can see the perspective.

 

 

On topic: For one, this isn't something exclusive to BioWare at all.  Plenty of companies charge as much if not more for much more mediocre DLC content.  For another, unless it's for a character, I never buy DLC without researching it first.   This is why I don't own Omega; I did check some reviews first and the overall reaction was "it's pretty meh, unless you really like Aria." 

 

Also, check your math please.  It's more like: For $5, you get 7 squad members instead of 6.

 

EDI

James

Ash/Kaidan

Liara

Tali

Garrus

 

Extra--Javik

 

You may or may not like these characters, but they are in the game.   Besides, do you really use all 12 squad mates in ME2?  I know I didn't, and just found myself grateful I didn't have to deal with ME1's clunky inventory system all over again.

 

You do have one point though. For someone like Javik, they should not have charged for the DLC given what his race means to the plot.  I'll grant you that one; that wasn't a good move.  All I can tell you is to keep an eye on DA:I feedback when it comes out.  This is going to be the first BW game on the new engine, and some of the ME team did work on it.  There isn't going to be a DLC new companion in that game.  I wouldn't be surprised if Javik was the last DLC companion we'll ever get from the ME games.

[SporkFu]

That's good. But the From Ashes DLC is pretty significant, and it seems like a punishment for those who buy the game without it, that still spent $60. 

It's like, oh, well the 2nd game had 12 squadmates. But GUESS WHAT? In the 3rd game, you only get like, 4 for most of the game, but if you spend $10....you get 5! See how nice we were?

 

It's like Bioware promoting the new default femshep. What was wrong with the first one? I guess they were just trying to cover up how badly they messed up the face codes. Where we supposed to be impressed by their laziness?

Well, we got 10 squadmates out of the box in ME2; Zaeed and Kasumi are DLC content... oh, and we only get half of those 10 for the first half of the game. Sorry, 6 out of 10 

 

ME3 can be completed without From the Ashes. Not as interesting -- in my opinion something like not importing a shep from the previous two games -- but doable. Like you said, it (the DLC) adds pretty significant content. Isn't that worth ten bucks? 

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, we got 10 squadmates out of the box in ME2; Zaeed and Kasumi are DLC content... oh, and we only get half of those 10 for the first half of the game. Sorry, 6 out of 10 

 

ME3 can be completed without From the Ashes. Not as interesting -- in my opinion something like not importing a shep from the previous two games -- but doable. Like you said, it (the DLC) adds pretty significant content. Isn't that worth ten bucks? 

I paid $5 for Javik myself, and it wasn't on sale.  

[SporkFu]

I paid $5 for Javik myself, and it wasn't on sale.  

Lol. IIRC I paid $70 for the collector's edition and From the Ashes was included. But I would have paid for it if it wasn't. $5 or $10. I'm okay with that. Javik trolling everybody he meets is worth it. 

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Okay, that part is flat out untrue.  The reason that they promoted the fem Shep and had fans vote on it was due to complaints from women and from men that played fem Shep that she was never in any of the advertising, never on the box and not mentioned on the main site as being available as a choice.  Not to mention that male Shepard is based on a real life male model.

 

They felt at the time that the fans should decide what fem Shep would look like.  I mean, she never got any mainstream advertising, but she was being a focus for once on the net.  This kinda backfired, and led a lot of folks decrying that BioWare had tried to run a beauty contest.  I disagree, but I can see the perspective.

 

 

On topic: For one, this isn't something exclusive to BioWare at all.  Plenty of companies charge as much if not more for much more mediocre DLC content.  For another, unless it's for a character, I never buy DLC without researching it first.   This is why I don't own Omega; I did check some reviews first and the overall reaction was "it's pretty meh, unless you really like Aria." 

 

Also, check your math please.  It's more like: For $5, you get 7 squad members instead of 6.

 

EDI

James

Ash/Kaidan

Liara

Tali

Garrus

 

Extra--Javik

 

You may or may not like these characters, but they are in the game.   Besides, do you really use all 12 squad mates in ME2?  I know I didn't, and just found myself grateful I didn't have to deal with ME1's clunky inventory system all over again.

 

You do have one point though. For someone like Javik, they should not have charged for the DLC given what his race means to the plot.  I'll grant you that one; that wasn't a good move.  All I can tell you is to keep an eye on DA:I feedback when it comes out.  This is going to be the first BW on the new engine, and some of the ME team did work on the game.  There isn't going to be a DLC new companion in that game.  I wouldn't be surprised if Javik was the last DLC companion we'll ever get from the ME games.

 

 

Yeahhh but you don't get Tali until nearly 2/3s into the game and you don't get Ashley for the first half. That leaves 4 for half of the game if you don't get Javik. And EDI and Vega and even Liara to an extent didn't give me a "less is more" vibe. Just my opinion.

 

And it's great that the gave the female Shepard more attention, but they didn't need to ask everyone to pick the best one for the default. A failed experiment, I suppose.

 

Edit- or maybe you can get Tali and LI at the same time, not sure when exactly is the soonest you can get Tali.

[Allison_Lightning]

I don't really mind much about spending extra money on extras. I've always saw DLC as 'you like the game? well here's some more of what you like!' and I'd go 'here, take my money!'

 

Blame me for me the prices, guys like me make it possible they keep it so expensive

 

oh btw, you don't think the DLC's are stupid. You don't like the prices, very different thing.

 

And honestly... 120 dollars for a game I've spent countless hours on isn't much by any means. I've spent more on crazy clubbing nights (lots of drinks, cocaine, weed ), and that's just one night. Mass Effect has lasted me for years and I've only just been cured. 

 

 

It's the bandwidth mostly that irks me. I'm more embarrassed that I bought season four of Heroes for $68 (AUD) than I am about extra I spent in DLC that I do revisit all the time. I never ended up watching that season... we've all spent insane money on stupid things. But I really adore the extra story/gameplay so it's not like I wish I had the money back in my wallet like with the Heroes DVD or that ugly black dress I bought once.

 

Apart from the Omega DLC, they had full squadmate interactivity too which was worth paying the extra. I'd have paid five more dollars to make Liara a non-essential character in Priority: Eden Prime. So I'm part of the problem too. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I guess having 4 squad members doesn't phase me at all.  I've played several games where I've had that amount.  <shrug>

 

Considering the fixed number of people the PC is allowed to have in their party at any time in most RPGs, I don't mind having a smaller cast.

 

Yeah, failed experiment for sure.  They meant well, but boy did that end up going over like a lead brick.

 

@Allison: I had to give you a like for most of your post.  Well, except for the Liara part, but I have read plenty of reasons why players don't like her.  Some good ones too.  I don't feel the same way (it helps I only came into the series this past spring,) but I can respect that.  

 

_{It's like invoking the name "Anders" on the DA forums.  All hell breaks loose.}  

[Farangbaa]

My last run I had 4 squadmates in total. (Liara, Javik, EDI, James). Ashley, Tali and Garrus were dead. Kaidan didn't even make ME2

 

It was pretty good actually. Much more freedom to pick your squadmates as you see fit. (Javik + James on Rannoch is glorious you guys)

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

I guess my issue isn't the amount of squadmates, it's the squadmates themselves. Vega has his moments, but when you take away some of the great stuff he gets in the DLCs and he's a bit flat. EDI was just....meh for me as a squadmate. I like her, I do, but as a squadmate...meh. Liara.....meh lol.

 

So yeah, thank god for Garrus. He's always the silver lining in everything. 

 

And again, I mean no offense to fans of the characters. I like Liara and EDI, but more for have long conversations with them aboard the Normandy. 

[Farangbaa]

Ugh, opinions lol.

 

I can't stand Garrus 

[Allison_Lightning]

 

@Allison: I had to give you a like for most of your post.  Well, except for the Liara part, but I have read plenty of reasons why players don't like her.  Some good ones too.  I don't feel the same way (it helps I only came into the series this past spring,) but I can respect that.  

 

_{It's like invoking the name "Anders" on the DA forums.  All hell breaks loose.}  

 

 

It's the whole put into everything bit. I like to pick different squadmates and get a giggle picking the wrong ones, like dealing with the mutated rachni and Tali mentioning how useful her tech skills will be (not). I want to be able to pick whom I like and her only reasonable default insertion was on Priority: Thessia, it seems absurd to introduce her so early and make it so that you have to work to make sure the game doesn't get mistaken about favourite squadmates.

 

I like taking her along to places like the monastery but I generally don't to avoid her mission count adding up. The section with EDI in Priority: Cerberus Headquarters get up my nose the same way because if you still have Tali, she should be an alternative option as a tech expert with experience with Cerberus. The whole concept that EDI alone can fix the situation when in the heart of the organization's headquarters they could have a way to kill-switch her in proximity breaks immersion.  Although I'm not sure what fuss there was with Anders. 

 

 

I guess my issue isn't the amount of squadmates, it's the squadmates themselves. Vega has his moments, but when you take away some of the great stuff he gets in the DLCs and he's a bit flat. EDI was just....meh for me as a squadmate. I like her, I do, but as a squadmate...meh. Liara.....meh lol.

 

So yeah, thank god for Garrus. He's always the silver lining in everything. 

 

And again, I mean no offense to fans of the characters. I like Liara and EDI, but more for have long conversations with them aboard the Normandy. 

 

 

Vega is awesome without the DLC, that's just an added bonus. You should take Garrus and Tali on missions- their interactions are really entertaining.

[Grieving Natashina]

If you're ever feeling brave, ask the DA forums about why Anders is so controversial.  Let's just say that's a helluva base breaking character right there.  

 

I do hear you about fixed party members though.