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Science and Evolution in the Dragon Age


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What makes you think that anything on Thedas, even the humans, evolved along the same paths as the humans of our world did?

 

Evolution is not a set of rules. It is just a map of conditions and how they affect species.

 

There is, theoretically speaking, nothing physically or evolutionary preventing a monkey or great ape developing horns. All it would require, is that their natural habit would facilitate such an evolution.



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While I don't think that this forum is the best place for this sort of discussion anyway, I don't believe that opinions are sacrosanct and must automatically be respected. I prefer to consider and either accept or reject. People are entitled to voice their thoughts, just as I am entitled to criticize at my leisure.


You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.


All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.


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Evolution is just a theory.

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Edit: In all seriousness, I enjoyed the OP. I just love how worked up people can get over this.

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You may think it strange that in a world with magic, demons and bizarre flora and fauna, something like science would barely be a factor in this world. I enjoy attempting to unraveling the mysteries of this Universe, the world of Thedas being no exception. I would greatly appreciate your views on the races and species I am attempting to analyze. 

Dragons-Unlike other Fantasy games, in Thedas Dragons are regarded as animals, impressive and powerful, but not sentient, with the only exceptions being the Old Gods/Archdemons. We know this because the Old Gods/Archdemons are capable of commanding hordes of monsters unquestioningly and are capable of making tactics and strategies. If there are any more dragons like this, we do not know. However seeing Yavanna in the Silent Grove speak to a High Dragon, the apex predator of Thedas, in an unknown language shows that they can be commanded and understand words. There are variations, the wyvern being the most notable, showing that they can adapt to their environments in order to survive.  

 

 

This is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

 

Oh yes, many high dragons (ie female dragons who make it to old age) are portrayed as being sentient. For example the quest for the holy grail included a segment where a high dragon convinced a bunch of humans to worship her as the reincarnation of Andraste. And that same high dragon tells you that she will reward you if you mix a drop of her blood in with Andraste's ashes. None of that could have happened if the dragon wasn't sentient. The only encounters you have with high dragons indicate that high dragons are sentient. It wouldn't make sense for some high dragons to be sentient and others not, especially when they all came from the same source. The dragons that were worshipped as gods by the Tevinter mages were simply the dragons that desired to be worshipped as such.

 

One could ask why it is that if all high dragons are sentient we don't see any instances of high dragons living peacefully among society. I think that is more a matter of the authors not really having much time to flesh out or think about the ramifications of dragons being sentient. The authors simply made high dragons sentient and then decided they would all be evil and just want to see the world burn.

 

And there is actual and direct evidence in the game which suggests that creationism is real in the Dragon Age universe (ie the Fade and the demon/spirit explanation for how they were created).


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This is so wrong I don't know where to begin.
 
Oh yes, many high dragons (ie female dragons who make it to old age) are portrayed as being sentient. For example the quest for the holy grail included a segment where a high dragon convinced a bunch of humans to worship her as the reincarnation of Andraste. And that same high dragon tells you that she will reward you if you mix a drop of her blood in with Andraste's ashes. None of that could have happened if the dragon wasn't sentient. The only encounters you have with high dragons indicate that high dragons are sentient. It wouldn't make sense for some high dragons to be sentient and others not, especially when they all came from the same source. The dragons that were worshipped as gods by the Tevinter mages were simply the dragons that desired to be worshipped as such.
 
One could ask why it is that if all high dragons are sentient we don't see any instances of high dragons living peacefully among society. I think that is more a matter of the authors not really having much time to flesh out or think about the ramifications of dragons being sentient. The authors simply made high dragons sentient and then decided they would all be evil and just want to see the world burn.
 
And there is actual and direct evidence in the game which suggests that creationism is real in the Dragon Age universe (ie the Fade and the demon/spirit explanation for how they were created).

Interesting very interesting.

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This is so wrong I don't know where to begin.
 
Oh yes, many high dragons (ie female dragons who make it to old age) are portrayed as being sentient. For example the quest for the holy grail included a segment where a high dragon convinced a bunch of humans to worship her as the reincarnation of Andraste. And that same high dragon tells you that she will reward you if you mix a drop of her blood in with Andraste's ashes. None of that could have happened if the dragon wasn't sentient. The only encounters you have with high dragons indicate that high dragons are sentient. It wouldn't make sense for some high dragons to be sentient and others not, especially when they all came from the same source. The dragons that were worshipped as gods by the Tevinter mages were simply the dragons that desired to be worshipped as such.
 
One could ask why it is that if all high dragons are sentient we don't see any instances of high dragons living peacefully among society. I think that is more a matter of the authors not really having much time to flesh out or think about the ramifications of dragons being sentient. The authors simply made high dragons sentient and then decided they would all be evil and just want to see the world burn.
 
And there is actual and direct evidence in the game which suggests that creationism is real in the Dragon Age universe (ie the Fade and the demon/spirit explanation for how they were created).


Those humans decided to worship her as a reincarnated Andraste, she herself did nothing. All of our information on dragons suggests that they are very smart for animals, but they don't appear to be as intelligent as a human.

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I think high dragons were compared to the intelligence of dolphins in the old forums.



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This is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

 

Oh yes, many high dragons (ie female dragons who make it to old age) are portrayed as being sentient. For example the quest for the holy grail included a segment where a high dragon convinced a bunch of humans to worship her as the reincarnation of Andraste. And that same high dragon tells you that she will reward you if you mix a drop of her blood in with Andraste's ashes. None of that could have happened if the dragon wasn't sentient. The only encounters you have with high dragons indicate that high dragons are sentient. It wouldn't make sense for some high dragons to be sentient and others not, especially when they all came from the same source. The dragons that were worshipped as gods by the Tevinter mages were simply the dragons that desired to be worshipped as such.

 

One could ask why it is that if all high dragons are sentient we don't see any instances of high dragons living peacefully among society. I think that is more a matter of the authors not really having much time to flesh out or think about the ramifications of dragons being sentient. The authors simply made high dragons sentient and then decided they would all be evil and just want to see the world burn.

 

And there is actual and direct evidence in the game which suggests that creationism is real in the Dragon Age universe (ie the Fade and the demon/spirit explanation for how they were created).

Oh my......this is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

 

First, the dragon is not sentient. At least we're never given any indication that she is. It's Kolgrim, her self-appointed high priest or whatever who tells you to mix the ashes with dragon blood, and who tells you you'll be rewarded for it.

 

Also, we never find anyone who knows their own ultimate origins. It's humans who say spirits are the Maker's first children. Of course they do this without any evidence for it. At least we never come across anything that indicates it might be true. And if the spirits reflect human virtues and flaws, that's because the Fade is a reflection of the collective human consciousness. What people believe, what people dream of, the Fade will reflect in some way.  


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I think high dragons were compared to the intelligence of dolphins in the old forums.

how smart is a dolphin anyway

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how smart is a dolphin anyway


They're one of the smarter animals on the planet. The Wikipedia article on cetacean intelligence does a good job of explaining it:

http://en.m.wikipedi...gence#undefined

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They're one of the smarter animals on the planet. The Wikipedia article on cetacean intelligence does a good job of explaining it:http://en.m.wikipedi...gence#undefined

new respect for dragons then