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[KaiserShep]

Man, I celebrated the removal of the inventory system. May it never return to Mass Effect ever.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Man, I celebrated the removal of the inventory system. May it never return to Mass Effect ever.

 

I'll toast to that.

[SporkFu]

Trilogy, perhaps....

 

But game? no. It cannot compare with the number of hours I racked up playing Morrowind and Oblivion for a single play through. I haven't finished Skyrim. I didn't buy the DLC for the 360, because I got sidetracked. I bought that big pack for the PC with all the DLC for all the games, and am loathe to install it because once I do there goes another 1000 hours of my life. Of course I'm one of those obsessive people who has to explore every single pixel of the map.

Man, Skyrim... never did 200 hours pass so quickly and I didn't even learn the first dragonshout. Someday I'll get back into it; the icon calls me every time I startup the PC, but I'm resisting.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Man, Skyrim... never did 200 hours pass so quickly and I didn't even learn the first dragonshout. Someday I'll get back into it; the icon calls me every time I startup the PC, but I'm resisting.

 

Yeah, it was like getting into that town and ... then getting a job at the mill in that town cutting lumber, eating a hearty meal, and going to sleep. Then getting up in the morning and going to work again. Then learning how to be an armorer. Then taking a few days off to go exploring.... I decided to take a shortcut across the mountains to Windhelm when I got to level 7... and ran into this sleeping dragon that was perched on top of this what looked like a tomb of some sort. Let sleeping dragons lie, you know the saying especially at level 7. and I got attacked by a bear which turned out to be bears, and this awakened the dragon. Now the dragon was a bit angry and I tried to get the bears focused on fighting the dragon and the dragon focused on fighting the bears when wolves attacked. This awakened the Lich that was in the casket. And thus Sonja started sh*tting her drawers. Eventually I got the "dragonlord" fighting the dragon, and the wolves fighting the bears. And I shot arrows at whoever was the strongest, and would periodically run up and hit them with my sword then run away. Such a brave Nord I am - more like smart Nord. And eventually the dragon was left with a sliver of health and everyone else was dead. So I had a rear attack on the dragon and took it and slayed my first dragon!

 

Ah, then phat loot! A dragonpriest mask! And other loot! and whoa... what's this? a shout? I know a shout now?

 

So I made it to Windhelm, met Mr. Stormcloak, and went off exploring again in the far north. He'd given me this quest fight and kill something to join up - they wanted me to prove my courage, but I wasn't in any hurry to join anything. I wanted to hunt deer and pick berries. So I'm around this island after I was running away from these bears, who for some reason made a detour and attacked something on the island. Something fell off the cliff in front of me, and I picked it up. I received a notice from the gods "You have just joined the Stormcloaks." What? I fought nothing? I ran away. But who am I, a mere mortal Nord to question the gods?

 

Such were the adventures of Sonja who later became the Dragonborn: a lying, cheating, sh*t, who was hated by nobility, but loved by the peasants.

[Vazgen]

I think no game is perfect and it would be bad if some game becomes such, because it doesn't leave room for improvement. I also want to address mention of the word "masterpiece" in your post. In my mind, to be called a gaming masterpiece the game needs to feature elements of all genres on top level. Stealth, FPS, TPS, RPG etc., you name it. The series has a lot of flaws (and I think every game has them if put to such scrutiny) but it also have a lot of things that overshadow those flaws. Fixing their mistakes and using successful techniques is the way to move forward. 

You mentioned exploration in ME1. While it did give player some sort of freedom of roaming unknown planets in the Mako it also didn't offer incentives for exploration. Planets are barren and the only interesting things are resources, recycled combat environments and a few "points of interest". In ME2, exploring planets results in quite linear and small levels which, however, have much better diversity than the worlds of ME1. You can find a quarian scout hunted by varren, misty planet with Harvesters, derelict ship on an edge of a cliff... ME3 didn't need exploration at all since it didn't fit in the setting of the game. When the Reapers invade you don't fly around exploring the galaxy. 

Combat consistently improved through the series. Removal of useless inventory system, making guns feel different and giving them new advantages/disadvantages, adding different protection layers to the enemies, Shepard becoming more and more agile with each game... ME3 has the best combat gameplay along with good amount of customization (which is the most of the series). Two Engineers perking the same skill in ME1 will have the same power in the end, there is no variety within classes. ME3 allows for a lot of different builds to be created, reinforced not only by the options at rank 4,5,6 but also the synergy between different powers.

I would not call Mass Effect masterpiece either. However, it tops every other space RPG out there IMO and the series are still among the best games out there. 

I hope ME:Next will top the series as a whole

[SporkFu]

Yeah, it was like getting into that town and ... then getting a job at the mill in that town cutting lumber, eating a hearty meal, and going to sleep. Then getting up in the morning and going to work again. Then learning how to be an armorer. Then taking a few days off to go exploring.... I decided to take a shortcut across the mountains to Windhelm when I got to level 7... and ran into this sleeping dragon that was perched on top of this what looked like a tomb of some sort. Let sleeping dragons lie, you know the saying especially at level 7. and I got attacked by a bear which turned out to be bears, and this awakened the dragon. Now the dragon was a bit angry and I tried to get the bears focused on fighting the dragon and the dragon focused on fighting the bears when wolves attacked. This awakened the Lich that was in the casket. And thus Sonja started sh*tting her drawers. Eventually I got the "dragonlord" fighting the dragon, and the wolves fighting the bears. And I shot arrows at whoever was the strongest, and would periodically run up and hit them with my sword then run away. Such a brave Nord I am - more like smart Nord. And eventually the dragon was left with a sliver of health and everyone else was dead. So I had a rear attack on the dragon and took it and slayed my first dragon!

 

Ah, then phat loot! A dragonpriest mask! And other loot! and whoa... what's this? a shout? I know a shout now?

 

So I made it to Windhelm, met Mr. Stormcloak, and went off exploring again in the far north. He'd given me this quest fight and kill something to join up - they wanted me to prove my courage, but I wasn't in any hurry to join anything. I wanted to hunt deer and pick berries. So I'm around this island after I was running away from these bears, who for some reason made a detour and attacked something on the island. Something fell off the cliff in front of me, and I picked it up. I received a notice from the gods "You have just joined the Stormcloaks." What? I fought nothing? I ran away. But who am I, a mere mortal Nord to question the gods?

 

Such were the adventures of Sonja who later became the Dragonborn: a lying, cheating, sh*t, who was hated by nobility, but loved by the peasants.

It's been a while since I last played it, but I remember escaping from the prison with that Nord fellow and he took off towards the first town and I took a left turn over some hills and up into the mountains instead of following him. Heh, what plot? I was playing a wood elf archer and sneaking everywhere. I came across a guy on a horse in the middle of the road, and I killed him and stole his horse. Then the horse died helping me fight some wolves wayyyyy out in the middle of nowhere and I had to walk back. Stupid horse. I think taking me out into the wilderness so fast and then dying on me at the first opportunity was its revenge for killing its master. Of course then when I finally did get to town, they wanted to arrest me for horse theft. The hell? On my soul there were no witnesses. Ha. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's been a while since I last played it, but I remember escaping from the prison with that Nord fellow and he took off towards the first town and I took a left turn over some hills and up into the mountains instead of following him. Heh, what plot? I was playing a wood elf archer and sneaking everywhere. I came across a guy on a horse in the middle of the road, and I killed him and stole his horse. Then the horse died helping me fight some wolves wayyyyy out in the middle of nowhere and I had to walk back. Stupid horse. I think taking me out into the wilderness so fast and then dying on me at the first opportunity was its revenge for killing its master. Of course then when I finally did get to town, they wanted to arrest me for horse theft. The hell? On my soul there were no witnesses. Ha. 

 

Trust me someone on the far end of the screen who was a speck saw you with their eagle-eye vision. I know this because I stole sh*t all over the place. I did it all: thieving, murder, vandalism. I even crashed a space station. I killed every single Aldmer I'd see, and free their captives, and slay any of their milk-drinking Legion guards. But then I was in Markarth and was accused of a murder I didn't commit. I was not going to go to prison for this. They tried to take me in. Big mistake. The fight lasted an hour. I ran to the highest point in the city and put my back to a corner and took the guards one at a time. By morning they were all dead. I walked down to the Orc to buy some ore and repair my sword and shield, and left. Townsfolk were commenting that they should clean up the bodies because someone could get hurt tripping over them. But when I went outside the gate, I had to kill the remaining guards, get my horse and ride back to my home in Riften with as much loot as I could carry.

 

I would kill the Aldmer and lay their bodies on the road as an example. Dead Nords? I would stack them and burn them.

 

I also stole sh*t from the Blades. bunch of milk-drinkers. Skyrim for the Nords!

[SporkFu]

Trust me someone on the far end of the screen who was a speck saw you with their eagle-eye vision. I know this because I stole sh*t all over the place. I did it all: thieving, murder, vandalism. I even crashed a space station. I killed every single Aldmer I'd see, and free their captives, and slay any of their milk-drinking Legion guards. But then I was in Markarth and was accused of a murder I didn't commit. I was not going to go to prison for this. They tried to take me in. Big mistake. The fight lasted an hour. I ran to the highest point in the city and put my back to a corner and took the guards one at a time. By morning they were all dead. I walked down to the Orc to buy some ore and repair my sword and shield, and left. Townsfolk were commenting that they should clean up the bodies because someone could get hurt tripping over them. But when I went outside the gate, I had to kill the remaining guards, get my horse and ride back to my home in Riften with as much loot as I could carry.

I would kill the Aldmer and lay their bodies on the road as an example. Dead Nords? I would stack them and burn them.

I also stole sh*t from the Blades. bunch of milk-drinkers. Skyrim for the Nords!

Markarth was the place you wake up in after spending the night drinking with that mysterious guy in the pub, wasn't it? I wanted to kill everything there too, but I didn't. So I'm liking this for the wanton destruction, heh. But... How did you crash a space station, or is that: a) a nod to Jack and/or b ) staying somewhat on topic? Heh.

[RiouHotaru]

Honestly, in a market dry of good science-fiction games, let alone good sci-fi RPGs?  Mass Effect is indeed a masterpiece.  Admittedly I think ME1 is often treated as if it's the pinnacle of the series when it's anything but, for what it was trying to be, it did exceptionally well.  A masterpiece can still have flaws and be a masterpiece regardless.

 

Was it perfect?  Of course not.

 

But I think ME3's initial backlash has caused people to severely underestimate it.

[CptFalconPunch]

Honestly, in a market dry of good science-fiction games, let alone good sci-fi RPGs?  Mass Effect is indeed a masterpiece.  Admittedly I think ME1 is often treated as if it's the pinnacle of the series when it's anything but, for what it was trying to be, it did exceptionally well.  A masterpiece can still have flaws and be a masterpiece regardless.

 

Was it perfect?  Of course not.

 

But I think ME3's initial backlash has caused people to severely underestimate it.

Its the pinnacle of the series in some aspects. Story, plot, music, innovation, lore, enemies, exploration, etc

Much like ME2 was the pinnacle for squadmates, ending mission mechanics

or how ME3 was the pinnacle for combat, level design, environmental design, DLC etc

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Markarth was the place you wake up in after spending the night drinking with that mysterious guy in the pub, wasn't it? I wanted to kill everything there too, but I didn't. So I'm liking this for the wanton destruction, heh. But... How did you crash a space station, or is that: a) a nod to Jack and/or b ) staying somewhat on topic? Heh.

 

My character started out good... sort of... but you know how tight funds are, and how easy it is to steal stuff.... like iron ingots at night and make your swords and stuff like that in the beginning. Once you make daggers out of stolen ingots. And then you sell the daggers to the same guy you stole the ingots from. Then eventually you move to another town, and you find an easier way of making money: killing people. Someone always wants someone dead, and some of the people deserve it - like that old lady that ran that orphanage in Riften. I found that kid in Windhelm, and took that up. Hey, he prayed to the goddess so I figured, why not make his prayers come true, but investigate this first. Yeah, she deserved what she got. Left there a hundred creds richer, and started down a very dark path...

 

The Dark Brotherhood folks contacted me and had me figure out which one of the three was the one. So I must have figured it out right 'cause I was in, and getting rich. I'm stealing things and killing people for the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild. It was especially cool after I got that Skeleton Key. Then I told the Thieve's Guild to go bugger off. Turn in the key for a suit of armor? Screw that. They can keep that. The armor I made was better. You going to kill Alduin? GIVE ME A LITTLE WHILE!!! Meanwhile dragons are attacking everywhere and killing people. Shadowmere and I ride around the countryside.

 

So the spacestation thing? Yeah, a nod to Jack. She'd be like this in Skyrim.

[SporkFu]

My character started out good... sort of... but you know how tight funds are, and how easy it is to steal stuff.... like iron ingots at night and make your swords and stuff like that in the beginning. Once you make daggers out of stolen ingots. And then you sell the daggers to the same guy you stole the ingots from. Then eventually you move to another town, and you find an easier way of making money: killing people. Someone always wants someone dead, and some of the people deserve it - like that old lady that ran that orphanage in Riften. I found that kid in Windhelm, and took that up. Hey, he prayed to the goddess so I figured, why not make his prayers come true, but investigate this first. Yeah, she deserved what she got. Left there a hundred creds richer, and started down a very dark path...

 

The Dark Brotherhood folks contacted me and had me figure out which one of the three was the one. So I must have figured it out right 'cause I was in, and getting rich. I'm stealing things and killing people for the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild. It was especially cool after I got that Skeleton Key. Then I told the Thieve's Guild to go bugger off. Turn in the key for a suit of armor? Screw that. They can keep that. The armor I made was better. You going to kill Alduin? GIVE ME A LITTLE WHILE!!! Meanwhile dragons are attacking everywhere and killing people. Shadowmere and I ride around the countryside.

 

So the spacestation thing? Yeah, a nod to Jack. She'd be like this in Skyrim.

Wow, I never got anywhere close to that far into the game. I never made it to Riften in all my wanderings. it wasn't long after my sneaky archer got nabbed for horse theft that I made a mage instead. I was having fun with that until Borderlands 2 came out. Then i forgot every other game for awhile, heh.  But I do agree about money being tight in Skyrim. I passed on soooo much loot because I was trying not to steal anything. Silly me. I am definitely going to have to start it up again one of these days. I want to go on rampages.

[Cknarf]

Pfffft.

"Kill one of these people, k?"

"Lol, K."

*kills Astrid*

"Get rekt, skrub."

*assassinates the sh*t out of the Dark Brotherhood.*

I DO WHAT I WANT

[ImaginaryMatter]

Skyrim's a weird game for me. I play it more as a badass in fantasy land life simulator; where I sleep for 8 hours a day at night, eat three meals a day, set a daily routine that includes mostly cosmetic actions, walk (not sprint) between locations, never abuse the physics system, etc. On my mage character I walk around the College of WInterhold pretending to do administrative duties and teaching. Occasionally I'll venture outside of the cities to explore and actually play the game.

 

I think I've spend as much time painstakingly decorating my houses as I've played Mass Effect.

[SporkFu]

Skyrim's a weird game for me. I play it more as a badass in fantasy land life simulator; where I sleep for 8 hours a day at night, eat three meals a day, set a daily routine that includes mostly cosmetic actions, walk (not sprint) between locations, never abuse the physics system, etc. On my mage character I walk around the College of WInterhold pretending to do administrative duties and teaching. Occasionally I'll venture outside of the cities to explore and actually play the game.

 

I think I've spend as much time painstakingly decorating my houses as I've played Mass Effect.

I don't remember ever choosing to go to sleep once in Skyrim, and I only ever went back to my house to dump stuff that might be important someday but was cluttering up my inventory and was probably just junk anyway. And once I stored it in my house, I forgot all about it. I'm bad for that, though. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I don't remember ever choosing to go to sleep once in Skyrim, and I only ever went back to my house to dump stuff that might be important someday but was cluttering up my inventory and was probably just junk anyway. And once I stored it in my house, I forgot all about it. I'm bad for that, though. 

 

Ya, you may have a problem.

[Coyotebay]

I put about 170 hours into Skyrim. Elder Scroll games are all the same, they're fun but sort of like eating junk food. Satisfying for awhile, but leaving you feeling overstuffed and needing a trip to the gym.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I put about 170 hours into Skyrim. Elder Scroll games are all the same, they're fun but sort of like eating junk food. Satisfying for awhile, but leaving you feeling overstuffed and needing a trip to the gym.

 

The analogy I like the best is, that the games are a mile wide but an inch deep.

[Iakus]

I put about 170 hours into Skyrim. Elder Scroll games are all the same, they're fun but sort of like eating junk food. Satisfying for awhile, but leaving you feeling overstuffed and needing a trip to the gym.

A couple gigs of mods fixed that right up

[Farangbaa]

Could never get into Skyrim. I blame it completely on the first person perspective.

[SporkFu]

Could never get into Skyrim. I blame it completely on the first person perspective.

You can zoom out to a third-person over-the-shoulder type viewpoint. 

[Helios969]

I blame Bioware for ruining games like Skyrim for me by providing me a PC that speaks the dialogue.  I even struggle going back and playing DAO because of this.

 

Best part of Skyrim was taking out a pack of mammoths with my level 3 fighter by hiding under a bridge and firing a couple hundred arrows at them.  In a hundred thousand years Skyrim will be a barren wasteland with nothing but that bridge standing.

[Farangbaa]

You can zoom out to a third-person over-the-shoulder type viewpoint.

Fo real? Damn

[ImaginaryMatter]

I blame Bioware for ruining games like Skyrim for me by providing me a PC that speaks the dialogue.  I even struggle going back and playing DAO because of this.

 

Gordon Freeman can fix that for you.

 

The only problem I have with silent protagonists is when the game gives you a dialogue prompt with options to choose from and the character then continues to remain quiet.

[SporkFu]

Fo real? Damn

Can't remember if you have to change a setting or a keybinding or what, but yeah, I was able to. It's funny but for playing Skyrim I found I preferred the first-person view.