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[Doominike]

He thinks there has to be war for things to change so he started a war. I think things needed an extreme change so I agree with his extreme method. Simple as that

[Br3admax]

We get it; you're an extremist. That's great and all, but as we heard you the few times, you really don't have to say it again. It's actually a pretty common trait on this forum, it's not really noteworthy in the slightest. 

[Ieldra]

We get it; you're an extremist. That's great and all, but as we heard you the few times, you really don't have to say it again. It's actually a pretty common trait on this forum, it's not really noteworthy in the slightest.

Actually, you're the one who doesn't leave this topic alone and calls other people names, thereby derailing this thread. The hallmark of the fanatic.

[raging_monkey]

Actually, you're the one who doesn't leave this topic alone and calls other people names, thereby derailing this thread. The hallmark of the fanatic.

or just a rude person

[EmperorSahlertz]

People just take it very personally when they get called on the carpet for supporting terrorism. Even if it is fictional.

[Doominike]

I'm not extreme, I'm undiplomatic, I prefer more action oriented methods. Though, if I'm totally honest, while I'd have agreed to help Anders with his plan, my plan would have been more along the lines of directly killing Meredith and other overly zealous templars. I don't know if that would have started a war or help change the status quo but it would have done good for sure at least. Admittedly I might also have had rather broad criteria for what counts as "overly zealous"

[Ieldra]

People just take it very ofended when they get called on the carpet for supporting terrorism. Even if it is fictional.

We can discuss this in a mature manner, preferably in another thread. If you want to "call someone on the carpet", which I take means putting them up before a tribunal consisting mainly of you, I'm not up for that. I can do without self-appointed guardians of righteousness, thank you very much. And now can we please go back on topic.

Anders is relevant to the topic because of his pro-mage stance, but he's not a supremacist. He doesn't say mages should rule, nor that mages must rule if they want to be free. He just doesn't want them excluded, unfree and second-class citizens.

[Br3admax]

Actually, you're the one who doesn't leave this topic alone and calls other people names, thereby derailing this thread. The hallmark of the fanatic.

Except I haven't supported anything, where as you have supported blowing people up to get a point across? Threads aren't made for hearing your own opinions. That's what blogs and, on this site, groups are made for. Expect people to disagree with you and to call you out on your beliefs. 

 

I'm not extreme, I'm undiplomatic, 

That's pretty extreme. 

 

I can do without self-appointed guardians of righteousness, thank you very much. 

The irony. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

We can discuss this in a mature manner, preferably in another thread. If you want to "call someone on the carpet", which I take means putting them up before a tribunal consisting mainly of you, I'm not up for that. I can do without self-appointed guardians of righteousness, thank you very much. And now can we please go back on topic.

Anders is relevant to the topic because of his pro-mage stance, but he's not a supremacist. He doesn't say mages should rule, nor that mages must rule if they want to be free. He just doesn't want them excluded, unfree and second-class citizens.

We could always go to lala-land of make-believe where Anders was just a poor little unique mistreated flower, that was totally justified blowing up a civilian target filled with non-militant personnel.

[Xilizhra]

People just take it very personally when they get called on the carpet for supporting terrorism. Even if it is fictional.

Or possibly just get annoyed when attacked in random off-topic ventures, mayhaps.

At any rate. Mage supremacism is a doctrine that I find to be ill-suited for public consumption, so I wouldn't really have much interest in spreading it. Unless, of course, giving mages equality of opportunity will inevitably lead mundanes to bow down to them as their new leaders, in which case I suppose we'll see it when it happens.

[Ieldra]

Except I haven't supported anything, where as you have supported blowing people up to get a point across? Threads aren't made for hearing your own opinions. That's what blogs and, on this site, groups are made for. Expect people to disagree with you and to call you out on your beliefs.

Check your reading ability. I have done nothing of the kind. I have explained the rationale for terrorism with no indicication of whether or not I support it, exactly because I wanted to avoid getting into justification debates.

If you think roleplaying someone who supports Anders is somehow morally objectionable, well, then I guess all the actors who play villains in movies are bad people, right? Gods, I hate this witch hunt mentality.

@EmperorSahlertz:
I wouldn't lean too far out of the window with your kind of sig.

[Doominike]

So back on topic, are there any mage supremacists in Thedas outside of Tevinter ?

[Br3admax]

Or possibly just get annoyed when attacked in random off-topic ventures, mayhaps.

In the common theme of this thread: One person's verbal attacker is another's constructive critic. 

 

 

At any rate, the Inquisitor supporting mage supremacy should probably lead to their demotion.  

 

Check your reading ability. I have done nothing of the kind. I have explained the rationale for terrorism with no indicication of whether or not I support it, exactly because I wanted to avoid getting into justification debates.

That would matter if I had just met you, or more accurately your opinion, but that isn't the case. I didn't just meet you today. This is something you've supported in the past, and given that you gave no indication of saying otherwise in the time since then, I'm not going to believe that changed. 

 

 

If you think roleplaying someone who supports Anders somehow acts morally objectionable, well, then I guess all the actors who play villains in movies are bad people, right? Gods, I hate this witch hunt mentality.

As I already said, those actors don't use their actual morals to support their roles, where as you do. A lot of promage people, not all, consistently claim that what the Templars do is "wrong," using their moral standards, but then claim that what Anders did was "just." That's their mindset. There's no way around that. You on the other hand, claim to not like being told what to do. Which within itself is another issue, but not one for this thread. 

 

So back on topic, are there any mage supremacists in Thedas outside of Tevinter ?

Anders. 

[Xilizhra]

In the common theme of this thread: One person's verbal attacker is another's constructive critic. 

 

 

At any rate, the Inquisitor supporting mage supremacy should probably lead to their demotion. 

 

The Inquisitor doesn't have any superiors, so that would seem improbable. In addition to being grossly unfair, given that mundane supremacism will presumably still be alive and well as a roleplaying option.

 

 

As I already said, those actors don't use their actual morals to support their roles, where as you do. A lot of promage people, not all, consistently claim that what the Templars do is "wrong," using their moral standards, but then claim that what Anders did was "just." That's their mindset. There's no way around that. You on the other hand, claim to not like being told what to do. Which within itself is another issue, but not one for this thread.

For the record, I don't see what Anders did as just, but I also believe that we have to play the hand we're dealt.

 

 

Anders. 

Nah. He's singleminded about mage freedom, but emphatically denies wanting mages to rule over anyone.

[Doominike]

Ya, Anders wants mages to be free and treated like actual people, not for them to rule the world

[Ieldra]

That would matter if I had just met you, or more accurately your opinion, but that isn't the case. I didn't just meet you today. This is something you've supported in the past, and given that you gave no indication of saying otherwise in the time since then, I'm not going to believe that changed.

I did? That's new to me. I challenge you to find a post where I did. Well, it's possible I might have supported the destruction of high profile symbols to make a point, but never the murder of innocents. You may have misread me just like you misread me a few posts above this one. And I'm completely sure that I *never* said Anders' actions were just, because I don't think that.

Also, when I roleplay someone who supports Anders, of course I'm looking for a rationale that doesn't sound too outlandish in my own view. After all, I don't want to play *insane* extremists.

Oh....I just read your statement that Anders is a mage supremacist. I guess I can stop talking now since you're clearly immune to evidence.

[Stronglav]

Totally agree with her.

[Doominike]

Totally agree with her.

Which her ?

[The Hierophant]

Nothing from the DA games paints Anders as a supremacist, whereas he's only a self righteous, cannibalistic terrorist who supports slavery.

[Ieldra]

Nothing from the DA games paints Anders as a supremacist, whereas he's only a self righteous, cannibalistic terrorist who supports slavery.

WTF?

[Reptillius]

The problem with history is there two kinds. Popular history (the stories passed around so much they become like history itself that almost everybody knows at least a little of.)  And Factual History (often much harder to find.  Particularly if it has anything to do with reality of conflicts since history is almost always written by the victor with the losers point of view being destroyed.)

 

 

Nero is actually a fine example of this.  While he was far from the most model human being or ruler.  The idea that persists even today that Nero Fiddled while Rome burned is largely a fallacy.  After the Fire of Rome he is actually the one emporer that opened up the Royal gardens and large parts of the grounds to make space for Refuge's of the catastrophe while Rome was trying to recover and rebuild and he practically emptied the royal coffers to help rebuild it.  His character flaws are actually more well known than anything good that he tried to do.  Compounded by the fact that some of the acts of good that he actually attempted to do pretty much blew up in his face tainting the ones that actually meant something.

[The Hierophant]

Yup. He's a self righteous cannibalistic terrorist who supports slavery. He's self righteous as he took it upon himself to speak and act on the behalf of all Circle mages despite no one voting for him. He's hinted at being a cannibal in the short story that detailed his merger with Justice and escape from the Wardens. Him being a terrorist needs no explanation while he hypocritically supported Fenris being handed back to Danarius.

dat Anders.

[EmperorSahlertz]

So back on topic, are there any mage supremacists in Thedas outside of Tevinter ?

If there are, then hopefully (for their own sake anyway) they are intellegent enough to hide.

 

The Inquisitor doesn't have any superiors, so that would seem improbable. In addition to being grossly unfair, given that mundane supremacism will presumably still be alive and well as a roleplaying option.

You don't need superiors to be demoted or removed from office entirely. You only have to be an imbecile.

[Vindicare175]

Frankly no even on my own mage characters they are not supremacists , Mages in charge and having supreme power will result in another Tevinter , BUT i don't agree with the current situation where they are beaten , tortured and god knows what else in the Circles , needs to be some sort of compromise and middle ground where both parties can be happy.

 

And on a side note. IF Anders should return (only reason he isn't a corpse already is cause I wanted to make Sebastian angry) i hope there is a choice to end his life.

[Doominike]

I hope we can make Sebastian a corpse. The Anders from my main file should be going around doing anti-templar stuff with a renegade mage femHawke, or whatever it is they've been doing.