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[Lulupab]

Yup. He's a self righteous cannibalistic terrorist who supports slavery. He's self righteous as he took it upon himself to speak and act on the behalf of all Circle mages despite no one voting for him. He's hinted at being a cannibal in the short story that detailed his merger with Justice and escape from the Wardens. Him being a terrorist needs no explanation while he hypocritically supported Fenris being handed back to Danarius.

dat Anders.

 

The "cannibal" part is a concept gesture. He does not intentionally cut human meat and eat it. The blood of his enemy splashes into his mouth and it tastes like honey. Do you see the connect between "blood of my enemy" and Vengeance? Ironically in the game Anders has talent named "blood of my enemy" and he is healed when he kills an enemy. Its not Cannibalism, its Vengeance. The pure satisfaction he gets when he gets his revenge, blood is not even the issue.

 

Fenris openly insults him for 8 years and tells him he should be locked up for 8 years. When Hawke sells Fenris (which is all the credit) Anders is like "good riddance, now you are locked up". He does nothing to send Fenris to slavery, he laughs at the notion of Fenris getting a taste of his own medicine.

 

Almost every single nation has committed terrorism or more than that in name of independence and greater good of nation. For example Americans used many of those tactics against Brits in their independence war. Its very easy to get on a high horse and condemn revolutionaries who used extreme methods, isn't it? But lets not forget being able to take the high road and condemn the actions of murderous freedom fighters is, sometimes, not recognized for what it is: a luxury that we would NOT HAVE if not for those murderers giving the rest of the world something to rally around. While Self righteous but also selfless since he literally singed his own death with it, what he did opened the mage's eyes. They realized they are not safe and nothing is stopping them from getting unjustly annulled for crimes they had nothing to with and they are forever at Chantry and Templar's mercy, naturally it caused great anger and with just a little bit of heat from Asunder rebellion was launched.

[SnakeCode]

The "cannibal" part is a concept gesture. He does not intentionally cut human meat and eat it. The blood of his enemy splashes into his mouth and it tastes like honey. Do you see the connect between "blood of my enemy" and Vengeance? Ironically in the game Anders has talent named "blood of my enemy" and he is healed when he kills an enemy. Its not Cannibalism, its Vengeance. The pure satisfaction he gets when he gets his revenge, blood is not even the issue.

 

Fenris openly insults him for 8 years and tells him he should be locked up for 8 years. When Hawke sells Fenris (which is all the credit) Anders is like "good riddance, now you are locked up". He does nothing to send Fenris to slavery, he laughs at the notion of Fenris getting a taste of his own medicine.

 

Almost every single nation has committed terrorism or more than that in name of independence and greater good of nation. For example Americans used many of those tactics against Brits in their independence war. Its very easy to get on a high horse and condemn revolutionaries who used extreme methods, isn't it? But lets not forget being able to take the high road and condemn the actions of murderous freedom fighters is, sometimes, not recognized for what it is: a luxury that we would NOT HAVE if not for those murderers giving the rest of the world something to rally around. While Self righteous but also selfless since he literally singed his own death with it, what he did opened the mage's eyes. They realized they are not safe and nothing is stopping them from getting unjustly annulled for crimes they had nothing to with and they are forever at Chantry and Templar's mercy, naturally it caused great anger and with just a little bit of heat from Asunder rebellion was launched.

Except Anders isn't getting "revenge" on anybody. Almost every templar he has ever killed had done Anders no harm, he kills them because of what they are, not because of what they have done to him or to any other mages. The vast majority of Templars have likely never harmed a mage. I agree that it's not quite cannibalism, but neither is it vengeance.

 

Also, Anders isn't giving Fenris a taste of his own medicine, Fenris didn't want to send Anders into slavery. He wanted to send all mages to the circle, the circle is NOT slavery in any way, shape or form. Unlike Anders, Fenris WAS a slave, and abhors slavery with all of his being, The fact that Anders THINKS that the circle is slavery just shows shat a hypocrite he is, as he is positively gleeful at the thought of someone he doesn't like being forced into the very institution he (thinks he) is fighting against.

[Who Knows]

Mages are forced into the Circle at a young age. Mages must do as they are told in the Circle. If they disobey or try to escape they may be killed or made tranquil (making them naturally obedient). They can all be killed because of the actions of a few. They are used for their magic for war and healing. They may be barred from having families. They are basically slaves.

[Doominike]

Why do you berate Anders for being glad Fenris was sent into slavery, if you saw this it means *you* sent him

[SnakeCode]

So back on topic, are there any mage supremacists in Thedas outside of Tevinter ?

Adrian is definitely toeing that line.

[blahblahblah]

Mages are forced into the Circle at a young age. Mages must do as they are told in the Circle. If they disobey or try to escape they may be killed or made tranquil (making them naturally obedient). They can all be killed because of the actions of a few. They are used for their magic for war and healing. They may be barred from having families. They are basically slaves.

Correction, mages are prisoners whose crime is they wield magic and they isolated for life. They never receive a bail or pardon for that.

[raging_monkey]

Adrian is definitely toeing that line.

she struck me ore of a smarter anders. More for freedom than supremism

[Doominike]

Adrian is definitely toeing that line.

Who's Adrian ?

[raging_monkey]

Who's Adrian ?

a mage from asunder she was a supporting character who helped start the war

[boissiere]

a woman mage?

[Doominike]

a mage from asunder she was a supporting character who helped start the war

Ah cool, probably someone I'd like then

[SnakeCode]

Mages are forced into the Circle at a young age. Mages must do as they are told in the Circle. If they disobey or try to escape they may be killed or made tranquil (making them naturally obedient). They can all be killed because of the actions of a few. They are used for their magic for war and healing. They may be barred from having families. They are basically slaves.

None of that has anything to do with slavery.

 

Mages aren't the property of somebody else, they can't be bought or sold, they aren't forced to work without pay, they aren't treated as property, so no. They aren't "basically slaves."

 

The circle is more akin to a boarding school/quarantine zone. It is a place of learning where mages can learn to master their abilities, but due to the nature of their gifts (constant threat of demons controlling them) and the danger they pose to people they aren't allowed to leave the premises until they have proven themselves worthy. Such as Wynne, The Warden Commandor, and Wilhelm.

[SnakeCode]

Correction, mages are prisoners whose crime is they wield magic and they isolated for life. They never receive a bail or pardon for that.

Not true, mages who show themselves to be capable and/or trustworthy are allowed to live outside of the circle or leave for extended periods of time. There's Wilhelm, Finn, Rhys, Wynne as well as a mage Warden who can attest to this.

[blahblahblah]

Not true, mages who show themselves to be capable and/or trustworthy are allowed to live outside of the circle or leave for extended periods of time. There's Wilhelm, Finn, Rhys, Wynne as well as a mage Warden who can attest to this.

Unless, you are a mage with a strong political influence but if not you are incapable of such things. Mages aren't allowed to raise children. Wynne's son Rhys is taken away from her by the chantry and only met him when she visited the White Spire during Asunder.

[Doominike]

The mage Warden was conscripted, it's not the same. Also those who are let out are pro-circle, they'd never let out a pro-freedom one regardless of how good they are at self-control

[SnakeCode]

Unless, you are a mage with a strong political influence but if not you are incapable of such things. Mages aren't allowed to raise children. Wynne's son Rhys is taken away from her by the chantry and only met him when she visited the White Spire during Asunder.

Finn doesn't have any political influence, and i'm fairly certain it's stated in Asunder that before the Kirkwall incident the Mages in the white spire were allowed to walk around the city of Orlais, i'm pretty sure the vast majority didn't have any political influence either.

[SnakeCode]

The mage Warden was conscripted, it's not the same. Also those who are let out are pro-circle, they'd never let out a pro-freedom one regardless of how good they are at self-control

They wouldn't  let somebody who had zero intention of coming back and would likely cause future problems for the circle leave? You don't say.

[Doominike]

They wouldn't  let somebody who had zero intention of coming back and would likely cause future problems for the circle leave? You don't say.

Which means their "it's to protect people from danger" justification is BS because a mage perfectly able to control themself and thus not a danger to people won't be let out just because they'd prefer not being a prisoner by accident of birth

[lil yonce]

Not true, mages who show themselves to be capable and/or trustworthy are allowed to live outside of the circle or leave for extended periods of time. There's Wilhelm, Finn, Rhys, Wynne as well as a mage Warden who can attest to this.

This forces all mages into a "guilty until proven innocent" system then.

[raging_monkey]

Which means their "it's to protect people from danger" justification is BS because a mage perfectly able to control themself and thus not a danger to people won't be let out just because they'd prefer not being a prisoner by accident of birth

shh *whispers* dont say that pro templars will come.

[SnakeCode]

Which means their "it's to protect people from danger" justification is BS because a mage perfectly able to control themself and thus not a danger to people won't be let out just because they'd prefer not being a prisoner by accident of birth

You missed the point, why would you let somebody run amok when they are going to actively be a thorn in your side in the future? 

 

Also in case you haven't noticed most anti circle mages tend to be either murderers, terrorists, blood mages or all of the above. Not to mention their gift of becoming abominations at the drop of a hat.

 

Besides the Mary Sue/Super special snowflake that is Fiona, there really aren't too many competant or trustworthy anti circle mages.

[lil yonce]

Finn doesn't have any political influence, and i'm fairly certain it's stated in Asunder that before the Kirkwall incident the Mages in the white spire were allowed to walk around the city of Orlais, i'm pretty sure the vast majority didn't have any political influence either.

They're able to go out with templars nearby and not completely on their own, IIRC. And Finn is released into the Warden's custody and not permitted to go out simply because he asks either. Travel is fairly restricted.

[SnakeCode]

This forces all mages into a "guilty until proven innocent" system then.

They are guilty of being exceptionally dangerous to the general public. A mage can burn a house down or succumb to demon possession without actually meaning to, or even wanting to. This is why the circle is more akin to a quarantine zone (albeit a quarantine zone where those inside invariably have far better living conditions than the general public,) it isn't so much a punishment, but a precaution. 

 

The protection of the many must come before the good of the few.