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[john-in-france]

Pretty much this...

You don't pick Templar for the DPS. You pick it for the control and the tank.

 

 

Also if I want to DPS, I'd play dual wielding rogue...however as said before we are all different and that is reflected in our gaming styles.

[Lulupab]

Oh, and that is certainly a nice little video. Your point? Rogues and Mages STILL deal more damage. That is the sad truth that you seem reluctant to accept. You can reach crits over 300k with DW rogues, far more easily than with a warrior.

At the end of the day any build is viable. And THAT is all I need to point out, to debunk your bullshit calim, that only a specific warrior build is viable. Yes. Your proposed built warrior deals more damage. So? You don't pick Templar for the DPS. You pick it for the control and the tank.

You prefer damage, more power to you. Don't you dare however, claim that other people's playthrough is unviable jsut because they play a way you dislike.

As I said, anything is viable. ESPECIALLY since the game to start with is pathetically easy, so that even on the hardest difficulty, you can solo it easily (with any class even).

 

Never claimed anything as "unviable", its a matter of how viable. Why prolong battles and endure damage when you can slaughter enemies quickly and completely remove the need for "tanking".  Also your claim that rogues and mages deal more damage is baseless and hyperbole which is coming from your arse. You saw with your won eyes the warrior can crit for 1200 with basic attacks, rogues deal that much damage with their abilities, and that 300k is bullshit, you can't one-shot the arishok or Xebenkeck. I know that it takes 5 or 6 ability usage to take them down but it has a nifty 30 seconds cooldown unlike warrior which you saw has a rogue's attack speed and deals even more damage with auto attacks. There is a difference between highest damage dealt and damage per second average, pretty sure warrior can match the damage per second of other classes. This build thrives to be around enemies and gains more powerful with each passing second, stacking attackspeed, stamina regeneration and damage indefinitely.

 

Again there are many enemies you cannot solo. But you did saw mages dying to one hit in that video, tell me about that silence with 45 second cooldown again, please. And I have to repeat Fenris > Templar Hawke. Aveline > Tank Hawke. The only warrior Hawke who can be better at a certain role than his/her companions is a dps warrior hawke. Why bother becoming a tank when there is someone who will always be better than you no matter what you do?

[john-in-france]

Unfortunately, there'll be no berserkers in Inquistion. Hopefully the Reaver class will make up for it.

 

Reaver will hopefully become more interesting than its older versions. Normally I ignored it.

They also said that combat speed is being slowed down.

 

Looking forward to a Templar Dwarf Build, for the magical resistance 

[john-in-france]

@ Lulupab a Dual Wielding Assassin Rogue specced for crits up the wazoo played vs the Arishok...was a 4 hit kill for me. I took zero damage. Also in that video that you kindly shared, the most common hit by the warrior was in the 150s not 1200, the highest that I caught was 594.

 

Aveline is not better than Hawke Tank. It depends on how you spec, and in her case the tactics selected for the AI and the order they are in.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Never claimed anything as "unviable", its a matter of how viable.

Your EXACT words were:

 

Reaver/Berserker/Vanguard is the only viable nightmare warrior build, it has perfect synergy between talents and overall dishes too much damage and is able to tank as well thanks to Reaver.

 

 

So yes... Yes you did...

 

Why prolong battles and endure damage when you can slaughter enemies quickly and completely remove the need for "tanking".  Also your claim that rogues and mages deal more damage is baseless and hyperbole which is coming from your arse. You saw with your won eyes the warrior can crit for 1200 with basic attacks, rogues deal that much damage with their abilities, and that 300k is bullshit, you can't one-shot the arishok or Xebenkeck. I know that it takes 5 or 6 ability usage to take them down but it has a nifty 30 seconds cooldown unlike warrior which you saw has a rogue's attack speed and deals even more damage with auto attacks. There is a difference between highest damage dealt and damage per second average, pretty sure warrior can match the damage per second of other classes. This build thrives to be around enemies and gains more powerful with each passing second, stacking attackspeed, stamina regeneration and damage indefinitely.

Because the tactic of going all out dmg, depends on you being allwoed to do so. A single enemy CC can compeltely mess up your party's flow in combat, meaning you will have to reload, since your party never gains momentum after that, and pretty much falls flat on its face.

It is the run'n'gun approach.

Then there is the tank'n'spank approach. Which basically centers around just soaking all the crap the enemy can throw at you, and wear them down while doing so. Slower process, but much more reliable.

 

And yes. You can get 300k crits. It however requires that you got yourself an optimal setup for it (usually consisting of a DW rogue Hawke, Sebastian, Merrill and Anders/Bethany). Of course enemies who are immune to certain status effects, or have a high enough damage reduction, cannot be critted this high, that goes without saying. But a Rogue can take care of Xebenkeck and the Arishok far more easily and efficiently than any warrior spec.

 

 

 

Again there are many enemies you cannot solo. But you did saw mages dying to one hit in that video, tell me about that silence with 45 second cooldown again, please. And I have to repeat Fenris > Templar Hawke. Aveline > Tank Hawke. The only warrior Hawke who can be better at a certain role than his/her companions is a dps warrior hawke. Why bother becoming a tank when there is someone who will always be better than you no matter what you do?

 

No. There are not a single enemy in the game that cannot be solo'ed. And no, Hawke is vastly superior to ANY party member in any role you choose to use him, simply because of his customizability. Hawke got superior tanking, dps, CC AND healing.

[Lulupab]

Your EXACT words were:

 

 

So yes... Yes you did...

 

Because the tactic of going all out dmg, depends on you being allwoed to do so. A single enemy CC can compeltely mess up your party's flow in combat, meaning you will have to reload, since your party never gains momentum after that, and pretty much falls flat on its face.

It is the run'n'gun approach.

Then there is the tank'n'spank approach. Which basically centers around just soaking all the crap the enemy can throw at you, and wear them down while doing so. Slower process, but much more reliable.

 

And yes. You can get 300k crits. It however requires that you got yourself an optimal setup for it (usually consisting of a DW rogue Hawke, Sebastian, Merrill and Anders/Bethany). Of course enemies who are immune to certain status effects, or have a high enough damage reduction, cannot be critted this high, that goes without saying. But a Rogue can take care of Xebenkeck and the Arishok far more easily and efficiently than any warrior spec.

 

 

 

No. There are not a single enemy in the game that cannot be solo'ed. And no, Hawke is vastly superior to ANY party member in any role you choose to use him, simply because of his customizability. Hawke got superior tanking, dps, CC AND healing.

 

Again you lose credibility here. Malvernis cannot be solo'd for example. Aveline spec is superior in every way in matter of tanking. She has access to all warrior trees that has tanking capability and her personal spec is better than Templar which is the only customizability that has tanking.

 

Same applies to archer Hawke, Varric will always be better because none of rouge specs grants anything for ranged rogue albeit a long cooldown damage ability which Varric already has on a shorter cooldown. (Vendetta)

 

Oh and Vengeance Anders build, although lacking in CC and utility, will always deal more damage than mage Hawke thanks to permanent 45% permanent damage increase and shorter cooldowns, in fact he is the only mage with cooldown reduction. Thanks to that he can permanently refresh the haste buff which lands a 450% dps increase for the whole party. Hawke will always have superior CC and utility but not damage.

 

SO yes there are things party members are better than Hawke. This is not mass effect.

[dragonflight288]

lol. 

 

@Lulupab. 

 

Go for the optics Tocheeka!

[raging_monkey]

lol. 
 
@Lulupab. 
 
Go for the optics Tocheeka!

thread just got real

[The Baconer]

Oh and Vengeance Anders build, although lacking in CC and utility, will always deal more damage than mage Hawke thanks to permanent 45% permanent damage increase and shorter cooldowns, in fact he is the only mage with cooldown reduction.

 

Real talk? What does that setup need beyond Vengeance?

[Daerog]

Need more Templars like Gregoir, less like Thrask or Alrik.

 

 

I've always gone Templar so far when I play warriors.

[Xilizhra]

Need more Templars like Gregoir, less like Thrask or Alrik.

 

 

I've always gone Templar so far when I play warriors.

Greagoir was still an *******. Summary executions and mind rape ahoy...

[Master Warder Z_]

Greagoir was still an *******. Summary executions and mind rape ahoy...

For criminals.

[AresKeith]

Greagoir was still an *******. Summary executions and mind rape ahoy...

 

Can we not call it that to suit your views

 

And no Greagoir is one of the moderate Templars

[Xilizhra]

For criminals.

I'm hardly in favor of either for criminals on our own world either.

[Daerog]

Greagoir was still an *******. Summary executions and mind rape ahoy...

 

My memory of Origins is a bit fuzzy I guess. I don't recall any ridiculous execution orders other than against Jowan and maybe the Mage Warden or mind rape other than Tranquility. That whole mind game in the Origin was Irving's doing, not Greagoir, Greagoir is more straight forward unless the rules tell him otherwise (like with the Harrowing).

 

He seemed like the model Templar to me.

[WarriorOfLight999]

Oh dear, some of us Templars are trying to measure our swords against eachother. Reminds me of a conversation I thought up once:

 

Isabela stares at Cullen lustily: Y'know, I heard Templars always carry such big swords.

(Cullen starts to turn as red as a Fireball)

Isabela: How big is your sword?

Varric: Wouldn't bother Rivaini. Big swords maybe, but they have trouble lifting em. I heard it's the lyrium.

Cullen starts sputtering: Hey, I- Just wait a-

Isabela: That's a shame. Oh well then.

[Xilizhra]

Can we not call it that to suit your views

Well, I suppose you could lie.

 

 

And no Greagoir is one of the moderate Templars

Yes, the fact that such views are relatively moderate is the problem.

 

 

My memory of Origins is a bit fuzzy I guess. I don't recall any ridiculous execution orders other than against Jowan and maybe the Mage Warden or mind rape other than Tranquility. That whole mind game in the Origin was Irving's doing, not Greagoir, Greagoir is more straight forward unless the rules tell him otherwise (like with the Harrowing).

All that you mentioned is quite bad enough.

 

 

He seemed like the model Templar to me.

This is, again, the problem.

[Daerog]

Oh, okay, I thought you were saying he was a bad Templar. You were really just saying ALL Templars are bad, okay, now I get it.

[Steelcan]

straight for the most loaded language possible, despite it not being applicable

[Xilizhra]

Oh, okay, I thought you were saying he was a bad Templar. You were really just saying ALL Templars are bad, okay, now I get it.

Well, not the ones like Thrask, Evangeline and Keran. I'm fine with supporting those templars.

[Daerog]

Well, not the ones like Thrask, Evangeline and Keran. I'm fine with supporting those templars.

 

So... you support the Imperial Chantry model of Templars, then?

 

 

Edit: Which is fine by me, although I do think the Imperial Chantry Templars should be more trained as anti-magic warriors and not just typical soldiers under the command of the Circle. They should be anti-magic soldiers under the command of the Imperial Chantry... which is run by members of the Circle... whatever, you get the idea. Just my opinion.

[In Exile]

So... you support the Imperial Chantry model of Templars, then?

 

That's not the Imperial model, since templars are still on top under it. 

[Xilizhra]

So... you support the Imperial Chantry model of Templars, then?

Yes, with the caveat that they should still have antimagic abilities so as to better be able to fight off demons. However, I don't believe that local law enforcement should be controlled by a body as faraway as the Chantry; they can have the Seekers, but templars should be loyal to the Circle.

[dragonflight288]

Oh, okay, I thought you were saying he was a bad Templar. You were really just saying ALL Templars are bad, okay, now I get it.

 

 

Well, not the ones like Thrask, Evangeline and Keran. I'm fine with supporting those templars.

 

 

 

From years of debates and such, I know Xil has strong feelings on templars. She doesn't think all templars are bad, but she does think the entire system, and many in the templar order itself, is corrupt and far too prone to abuse of power. She also doesn't support mages ruling. She does call for mage freedoms from templars and Chantry oversight as she feels they've lost the trust to have it. 

 

Or she can answer for herself while I'm typing this. 

 

As for me, I find Emerick to be a model templar. There is no indication whatsoever that he abuses his charges at all. He is concerned about the safety of mages, and when one of them disappeared, as he looked into it he noticed several other women were also disappearing under similar circumstances, and tried investigating the source, despite being hindered by his own superiors and the city guard, he held public safety as priority number one.

 

Ser Otto is also a model templar. He volunteers to track down what is rumored to be a maleficar, finds no evidence, but knows something is going on and wants to help the alienage, and it's his instincts that lead the Warden to discovering the weak veil in the alienage now overrun with demons. 

 

Personally, I feel most templars have forgotten that their primary duty includes protecting mages, not just protecting the world from mages, but there are exceptions, Evangeline, Emerick, Otto, Bryant and such. 

[AresKeith]

Yes, the fact that such views are relatively moderate is the problem.

 

Except he actually does his duty, and not abuse it