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[Daerog]

I'm not saying you're wrong.

 

Well, I'm saying you're wrong!

 

Wait....

[Inquisitor Julianos]

The Church is all powerful because it has Die Hard faithful, Zealots, a Massive Bank account and an army. I Dare anyone to tell the Church NO when their mind is set on something. the Same with Nobility, if Someone without ANY authority tries to do something, and a Noble Lord says Something else Like "Oh Your A Criminal, take him to the Gallows" they can. Ever here of this thing.. called Prima Nocta or Droit du seigneur, better known as "Right of First Night". Where's the Legality Against the pretty much Rape.

 

Point - The Church if the Chantry is pretty much the Catholic Equivalent for Thedas, it can do what ever the Hell it wants.

Point 2 - Lelianna Even confirms that Chevalier in orlais can get away with Anything they want, includeing rape of the small folk (peasantry), and a Man who kills a Chevalier, is the Bad Guy. a Chevalier is An Orlesian (Clearly French) Knight.

 

Conclusion: Jowan is Hooped and Legally, The Bad guy regardless of actions and feelings.

[Star fury]

Eh, just throwing out arguments to keep the discussion going I guess. She was repentent after being captured, Jowan was a terrified fool... which does kind of make him more dangerous, but I do agree that the rules do say tranquil or death for maleficar (probably more often death), but it did seem to work out well for Idunna at least, which was nice.

Wonder if she is still a devout Andrastian now that the mages are rebelling and she probably got out... maybe...

Devouted apostates? Devouted prostitutes? Apostitutes!

[Daerog]

How Jowan's execution is unjustified? He committed so many crimes it's really impressive.

 

When I first played Origins, I thought the only course of action against a Maleficar was death. I thought making Jowan a Tranquil was supposed to be a rare thing and honored only because I was the Warden.

 

Are the rules of the Order so wishy washy? Just up to interpretation? Kirkwall was really a bad place to go for proper perception of Thedas.

[Aimi]

Keep in mind that most posters will typically default to common law jurisdictions and don't really have an awareness of legal codes.

Sure, but ignorance of the history law is no excuse for making incorrect sweeping statements about it.

[Daerog]

The Church is all powerful because it has Die Hard faithful, Zealots, a Massive Bank account and an army. I Dare anyone to tell the Church NO when their mind is set on something. the Same with Nobility, if Someone without ANY authority tries to do something, and a Noble Lord says Something else Like "Oh Your A Criminal, take him to the Gallows" they can. Ever here of this thing.. called Prima Nocta or Droit du seigneur, better known as "Right of First Night". Where's the Legality Against the pretty much Rape.

 

Point - The Church if the Chantry is pretty much the Catholic Equivalent for Thedas, it can do what ever the Hell it wants.

Point 2 - Lelianna Even confirms that Chevalier in orlais can get away with Anything they want, includeing rape of the small folk (peasantry), and a Man who kills a Chevalier, is the Bad Guy. a Chevalier is An Orlesian (Clearly French) Knight.

 

Conclusion: Jowan is Hooped and Legally, The Bad guy regardless of actions and feelings.

 

Just on that first point, lets not get too confused by bringing the real world into this. The Catholic Church, Rome itself, was attacked by a Catholic power, The Holy Roman Empire, in 1527 or whatever (killing hundreds of Swiss Guard and the Pope had to flee), and the pope was also pressured by France to move to Avignon for a time... so, it's not like it was the total overlord of Europe and could do what it wanted, it could still ****** off nations that would and could bring force upon it.

 

Anyway, the Chantry does have a lot of pull, but as was seen in The Stolen Throne, they do have to be wary of politics and can't ****** off Orlais too much as the Divine is as vulnerable to assassination as any Emperor of Orlais.

[In Exile]

Sure, but ignorance of the history law is no excuse for making incorrect sweeping statements about it.

Oh, I'm totally for correcting it.

[john-in-france]

@ Lulupab.

 

Whilst I agree with you about Anders and Varrics specialty trees giving them things that Hawke does not have access too, I'm afraid that I do not agree about Aveline being a better tank, and Assassin Hawke is much better at DPS than Isabella. Swings and roundabouts.

 

As mentioned before Aveline is dependent on the Tactics AI slots, so whilst she may have skills that look good, if they are never used because of placement or bad conditions selected then she does naff all. Hawke played as tank will always be better because you are in control not an 'if...then' slot AI...that is assuming of course that you can actually play a tank effectively. Your preference does seem to be a DPS warrior, so tanking may not be your 'thing'.

 

Also some of us roleplay so much that...our Templar Hawkes do not have Merrill or Anders in party. Shocker huh? It makes NM even more fun to play, especially since the 1.04 patch.

 

@ Everyone: Play and have fun, ladies and gentlemen, there are no builds to rule them all, just different players with methods that work for them.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Again you lose credibility here. Malvernis cannot be solo'd for example. Aveline spec is superior in every way in matter of tanking. She has access to all warrior trees that has tanking capability and her personal spec is better than Templar which is the only customizability that has tanking.

 

Same applies to archer Hawke, Varric will always be better because none of rouge specs grants anything for ranged rogue albeit a long cooldown damage ability which Varric already has on a shorter cooldown. (Vendetta)

 

Oh and Vengeance Anders build, although lacking in CC and utility, will always deal more damage than mage Hawke thanks to permanent 45% permanent damage increase and shorter cooldowns, in fact he is the only mage with cooldown reduction. Thanks to that he can permanently refresh the haste buff which lands a 450% dps increase for the whole party. Hawke will always have superior CC and utility but not damage.

 

SO yes there are things party members are better than Hawke. This is not mass effect.

There is nothing inherently unsoloable about Malvernis. Yes, he is a tough fight, but if you prepared accordingly you can solo him.

 

Aveline is good pretty much only against physical damage. She falls flat on her face against magical, since nothing in her spec strengthens her defense against it. ALl in all, you can't give Aveline much Magic Resistance at all, meaning she is a liability in magical encounters. So no, she is not a better tank than Hawke, because Hawke is far more customizable (and has access to equipment).

 

You can get a maximum of 30% bonus damage through Vengeance. And while that may be a big deal, it is still nothing compared to the amount of damage a Blood Mage Hawke is able to deal out. Anders may have a higher dps, but Hawke is the better burster (which incidently is often better on solo Nightmare, since you don't have time to stand still and dish it out).

 

Yes, there are things that party members to better. However, Hawke is and remains the best overall at ANY role, simply because of his customizability.

[Lulupab]

There is nothing inherently unsoloable about Malvernis. Yes, he is a tough fight, but if you prepared accordingly you can solo him.
 
Aveline is good pretty much only against physical damage. She falls flat on her face against magical, since nothing in her spec strengthens her defense against it. ALl in all, you can't give Aveline much Magic Resistance at all, meaning she is a liability in magical encounters. So no, she is not a better tank than Hawke, because Hawke is far more customizable (and has access to equipment).
 
You can get a maximum of 30% bonus damage through Vengeance. And while that may be a big deal, it is still nothing compared to the amount of damage a Blood Mage Hawke is able to deal out. Anders may have a higher dps, but Hawke is the better burster (which incidently is often better on solo Nightmare, since you don't have time to stand still and dish it out).
 
Yes, there are things that party members to better. However, Hawke is and remains the best overall at ANY role, simply because of his customizability.

 
Malvernis is not soloabe because he can cause instant death every couple of minutes. Given that during soloing you will lack damage he will cast it and you will die. Actually one of the game's greatest challenges is doing this boss without Anders/healer Hawke on nightmare, its not soloable really.
 
Sorry I messed up the mechanic its 30%, I used some balancing modes of my own so I had to revert to vanilla. But it pales in comparison against the cooldown mechanic. Anders has 10% cooldown reduction as a passive spell named "swift justice". However this is the significant part:
 

 
Do you see the synergy between these spells? Anders will relentlessly cast spells by sacrificing health and he gains it back by killing enemies. Martyr has no cooldown and it reduces all cooldowns by 20% percent, so its even more effective on spells with higher cooldown. I have personally cast 5 chain lightnings while Hawke was still waiting for first cooldown to finish. The potential is limitless, you can permanently cast arcane prison on a strong enemy, cast inferno and tempest two times before the first one finishes raining, Heal every 10 seconds etc...
 
As for Aveline, she can gain 40% to all elemental resistance plus 10% magic resistance from defender tree. She also gains 25% damage resistance from her unique tree as well another 5% from defender. Damage resistance works against both physical and magical attacks They are more than enough, if not she can benefit another 20% from mage aura. More than this much magic resistance is unnecessary and overkill. 
 
One of my my motivations for not really playing templar or tank was Aveline. She is just too good, when proper talents are given she is immortal because she can never be killed until the cooldown of potion is ready again. Her reflect is also very significant in terms of damage, something tank Hawke sadly lacks. And the fact that she can reduce damage takes by 50% on a character and transfer it to her self is the most significant talent in the game, and its 60% for Hawke if Aveline is a friend. Aveline is everything. BTW I keep switching controls because I find it fun and it adds variance to the game.

[Lulupab]

@ Lulupab.
 
Whilst I agree with you about Anders and Varrics specialty trees giving them things that Hawke does not have access too, I'm afraid that I do not agree about Aveline being a better tank, and Assassin Hawke is much better at DPS than Isabella. Swings and roundabouts.
 
As mentioned before Aveline is dependent on the Tactics AI slots, so whilst she may have skills that look good, if they are never used because of placement or bad conditions selected then she does naff all. Hawke played as tank will always be better because you are in control not an 'if...then' slot AI...that is assuming of course that you can actually play a tank effectively. Your preference does seem to be a DPS warrior, so tanking may not be your 'thing'.
 
Also some of us roleplay so much that...our Templar Hawkes do not have Merrill or Anders in party. Shocker huh? It makes NM even more fun to play, especially since the 1.04 patch.
 
@ Everyone: Play and have fun, ladies and gentlemen, there are no builds to rule them all, just different players with methods that work for them.

Yeah not bring mages makes normal much harder and fun. Also I was telling which specs are better. Two handed warrior, dual wield rogue, CC and utility mage Hawke are better than other companions. Tank warrior, archer rogue and damage mage are outclassed by Aveline, Varric and Anders respectively. Also its true because you control Hawke he can be better but one of cardinal rules of nightmare is switching controls. For example Anders is quite squishy in Vengeance mode and needs to be controlled and positioned, same applies to Aveline. (she is not squishy but still needs to be positioned)

[KoorahUK]

@Lulupab

@EmperorSahlertz

 

Nice to see two behaving yourselves and discussing things like grown ups. I was getting thumb strain from scrolling past your attacks on one another, which is a shame because I enjoy people debating mechanics.

[john-in-france]

LOL Lulupab NM is standard for Nightmare. I still think that you should start a NM thread, I'm sure there are lots of people who are relatively new to the DA gameplay who would enjoy it. Those of us who have been around for years just tend to yawn and move on.

[Sir DeLoria]

Carver? Yes, yes, and yes!

But he's your brother!! *sees Loki avatar* alright fine...

Alistair and Cullen are former templars, they severed ties with the order. You see, good people tend to leave the Templars.

They didn't really quit the order though, Alistair was just conscripted into the Wardens and Cullen remained loyal to the Divine after the Order split apart.

[dragonflight288]

You are forgetting the ones who joined the mages. The Templars have many options to side with in this fight... mages, not so much.

 

Yeah, the mages side was chosen for them by Lambert and his cronies simply for being born. 

 

Such a shame. 

[Star fury]

But he's your brother!! *sees Loki avatar* alright fine...
 

He's not my brother! I would love to stab Carver, he was so annoying without any redeeming features. I even regretted that you can't fight him alongside Meredith.

 

They didn't really quit the order though, Alistair was just conscripted into the Wardens and Cullen remained loyal to the Divine after the Order split apart.

 

Alistair wasn't comfortable in the Chantry at all while Cullen doesn't consider himself a templar.

[john-in-france]

Star Fury, I think we need to wait for Cullens remark to be fully explained in game. In the scene shown where he says this, he actually is replying to someone who calls him Knight-Captain, by saying that is no longer his title and that they are Templar no more. This is true. They are part of the Inquisition now. The rest we need to wait and see.

 

I'm looking forward to the game...

[Sir DeLoria]

He's not my brother! I would love to stab Carver, he was so annoying without any redeeming features. I even regretted that you can't fight him alongside Meredith.

Do you have a little brother in RL? I thought his portrayal was quite...realistic

I thought he was far more interesting and human than Bethany. Bethany might be a tad more likeable, but her character is just too flawless for my taste. She's pretty bland.

Alistair wasn't comfortable in the Chantry at all while Cullen doesn't consider himself a templar.

Alistair wasn't, but he probably wouldn't have left on his own. I don't know where you got that about Cullen, I've never heard that.

[AresKeith]

Do you have a little brother in RL? I thought his portrayal was quite...realistic

I thought he was far more interesting and human than Bethany. Bethany might be a tad more likeable, but her character is just too flawless for my taste. She's pretty bland.

 

Bethany was underdeveloped tbh

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cassandra confirmed to be a Templar, though doesn't need to ingest Lyrium apparently. 

 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Do you have a little brother in RL? I thought his portrayal was quite...realistic

I thought he was far more interesting and human than Bethany. Bethany might be a tad more likeable, but her character is just too flawless for my taste. She's pretty bland.

 

So much this. I enjoyed my playthroughs with Carver and his various paths far more than my ones with Bethany, IMO. He's just a much more memorable character to me.

[The Baconer]

Cassandra confirmed to be a Templar, though doesn't need to ingest Lyrium apparently.

 

It's like they're never going to stop flip-flopping on this issue.

[AresKeith]

It's like they're never going to stop flip-flopping on this issue.

 

Unless Seekers find a way around it unlike the Templar Order

[Daerog]

Cassandra confirmed to be a Templar, though doesn't need to ingest Lyrium apparently. 

 

 

 

All Templar abilities... no Lyrium addiction...

 

Well, it doesn't say that she doesn't need lyrium, the Seekers are probably just better at regulating it? Which doesn't make much sense, why not share that knowledge with the Templars? Do the Templars take more so they are stronger? Maybe it is like Alistair, still able to do some abilities, but not as strong without taking lyrium... maybe?

 

That description is just confusing, why not have Seekers become as addled as Templars if they take lyrium?

[Ryzaki]

It's like they're never going to stop flip-flopping on this issue.

 

Yeah it's like they want dramaz...til they don't.

 

*rubs temples*