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[Icy Magebane]

I think your jumping the gun too early. Templars still have Lyrium Addiction, these are the Seekers

Alistair had to use Lyrium again in the comics, and unless Hawke learned from a Seeker....

Maybe he stumbled across a wounded Seeker and patched him up, then in exchange for saving his life, the man taught Hawke his secret wisdom.  It's pretty stupid, I know, but it's at least as plausible as all the flip-flopping this part of the story has seen so far...

 

Anyway, this is a side issue... Hawke isn't what matters here.  What matters is that the Chantry knows how to teach people to nullify magic but don't give access to that knowledge to the people who would benefit the most from it.  The Templars need to know this, not the people who are supposed to keep watch on them...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And if the Seekers have had access to such methods for who knows how long, then they should have told the Templars rather than keep them addicted to a dangerous substance they never actually needed.  It's kind of sickening, really... depending on how this gets explained, I don't think I can support the Chantry anymore.  This is flat out sinister.

Me calling the practice out as them making the Templars addicts doesn't seem too far from the truth now, does it? 

[dragonflight288]

I think your jumping the gun too early. Templars still have Lyrium Addiction, these are the Seekers

Alistair had to use Lyrium again in the comics, and unless Hawke learned from a Seeker....

 

The point ISN'T that templars have lyrium addiction issues or that Alistair had to use it in the comics when he didn't have to in Origins. The point is that it is POSSIBLE to use the talents WITHOUT the addiction, and the echelons of power within the Chantry, at least all the Seeker's and thereby, the Divine and possibly many Grand Clerics, willfully get recruits addicted to Lyrium. 

[AresKeith]

I think people are reading too much into this new thing

All it said was that Cassandra doesn't have Lyrium Addiction, it doesn't say she and other Seekers don't need Lyrium

[dragonflight288]

Me calling the practice out as them making the Templars addicts doesn't seem too far from the truth now, does it? 

 

It originally seemed far off thanks to the original retcon....now, not so much. 

[Icy Magebane]

Me calling the practice out as them making the Templars addicts doesn't seem too far from the truth now, does it? 

Give me a break with the "I told you so," ok?  None of us could have known they would retcon the lore again.

 

Nothing you said on this subject made sense within the context of the original story.

[raging_monkey]

Guess the templars are under chantry oppression too

[dragonflight288]

I think people are reading too much into this new thing

All it said was that Cassandra doesn't have Lyrium Addiction, it doesn't say she and other Seekers don't need Lyrium

 

Here's what it says, word for word. 

 

Long ago, the Seekers of Truth founded the Templar Order and taught them how to deal with hostile mages and their spells. Cassandra thus possess all of a templar's abilities, without the risk of lyrium addiction. 

 

It's essentially says that Seekers do not need lyrium. 

[Ryzaki]

Give me a break with the "I told you so," ok?  None of us could have known they would retcon the lore again.

 

Nothing you said on this subject made sense within the context of the original story.

 

Yeah double retcons are just in poor form really

 

WTF was it retconned for in the first place ffs.

 

So not only is it confirmed that the Chantry truly is a bunch of drug-pushing a-holes, but the Seekers are too? Actually, wouldn't this make the Seekers the original a-holes?

 

Yep.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Give me a break with the "I told you so," ok?  None of us could have known they would retcon the lore again.

 

Nothing you said on this subject made sense within the context of the original story.

I deserved at least one, you have to admit.

But I was just kidding around. Relax.

[Icy Magebane]

I deserved at least one, you have to admit. 

But I was just kidding around. Relax.

lol... yeah ok.  Do what you gotta do. 

 

I'm just a bit... shocked.  I had such faith in the Chantry...

[AresKeith]

Here's what it says, word for word.

Long ago, the Seekers of Truth founded the Templar Order and taught them how to deal with hostile mages and their spells. Cassandra thus possess all of a templar's abilities, without the risk of lyrium addiction.

It's essentially says that Seekers do not need lyrium.

No it doesn't

For all we know they have a way around the addiction

[The Baconer]

Here's what it says, word for word. 

 

Long ago, the Seekers of Truth founded the Templar Order and taught them how to deal with hostile mages and their spells. Cassandra thus possess all of a templar's abilities, without the risk of lyrium addiction. 

 

It's essentially says that Seekers do not need lyrium. 

 

Not exactly. It says that they have no risk of getting addicted, not that they can abstain from using the substance entirely.

 

Still, that could be interpreted as being even more sinister.

[SgtSteel91]

IMO the only way the Chantry is going to save face is if the Seeker method of getting anti-mage abilities are more difficult or more dangerous than just drinking lyrium.

 

It could be that drinking lyrium is more economical; getting more soldiers to combat magic at a faster rate even if those soldiers have an "expiration" date.

 

It makes the Chantry more pragmatic and fretted but not just 'evil'.

[AresKeith]

Yeah double retcons are just in poor form really

WTF was it retconned for in the first place ffs.


Yep.

The retcon only said the Templars, not the Seekers

[Icy Magebane]

No it doesn't

For all we know they have a way around the addiction

A way that they should tell the Templars about... no?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

IMO the only way the Chantry is going to save face is if the Seeker method of getting anti-mage abilities are more difficult or more dangerous than just drinking lyrium.

 

It could be that drinking lyrium is more economical; getting more soldiers to combat magic at a faster rate even if those soldiers have an "expiration" date.

 

It makes the Chantry more callous and fretted but not just 'evil'.

I suggested something like this earlier: 

 

 

Maybe the Seeker alternative is a lot more dangerous of difficult to accomplish. After all they only recruit the best of even the Templars to join their ranks. So the use of Lyrium is basically a way to mass produce the results and not have a lot of the potential recruits get injured or killed. 

[raging_monkey]

lol... yeah ok.  Do what you gotta do. 
 
I'm just a bit... shocked.  I had such faith in the Chantry...

i did too but now its official for me... down with the chantry and freedom for magi and templars.

[dragonflight288]

The retcon only said the Templars, not the Seekers

 

So, say you get a Seeker recruit. This new recruit will not get addicted to lyrium. But if you have a templar recruit of the exact same age, that recruit WILL get addicted to lyrium. 

 

Right.....perfectly fair on the Chantry's and the Seeker's part. 

[SgtSteel91]

 

 

I suggested something like this earlier: 

 

 

I think it bears repeating since people are already starting to crucify the Chantry/Seekers for this.

[Br3admax]

So, say you get a Seeker recruit. This new recruit will not get addicted to lyrium. But if you have a templar recruit of the exact same age, that recruit WILL get addicted to lyrium. 

 

Right.....perfectly fair on the Chantry's and the Seeker's part. 

It is fair in the case of checks and balances. The problem lies more in that Seekers are usually Templars. Somehow I doubt the Chantry actually knows about it, but you never know. 

[Icy Magebane]

i did too but now its official for me... down with the chantry and freedom for magi and templars.

I mean, I knew the Chantry was pretty shady, but to do this to their own soldiers is really bogus.  That's going too far.

[AresKeith]

A way that they should tell the Templars about... no?

 

 

So, say you get a Seeker recruit. This new recruit will not get addicted to lyrium. But if you have a templar recruit of the exact same age, that recruit WILL get addicted to lyrium. 

 

Right.....perfectly fair on the Chantry's and the Seeker's part. 

 

I'm not arguing that 

[dragonflight288]

I think it bears repeating since people are already starting to crucify the Chantry/Seekers for this.

 

Until it's confirmed, either in-game or by the devs that the Seekers have a more dangerous work-around, no matter how you slice it, the Chantry and the Seekers look really bad for this. 

 

What is confirmed, is that the Seekers have no lyrium addiction and yet have full access to templar talents, whereas the templars themselves are addicted to lyrium in order to use them. 

 

If there is a workaround or not, this does not, in any way, look good for the Chantry of the Seekers.

 

If there is a workaround, and it is dangerous, you can at least let templar recruits know that becoming a templar is a sacrifice (which they already know thanks to the lyrium addiction) and dangerous, but they will be honored for their willingess to serve, and then have the details scarce except for the actual recruits going through with it. 

 

No, instead, we have templars thinking they absolutely need lyrium, and Seeker proving they don't. 

[SgtSteel91]

I think people should wait to see how The Seekers get Templar abilities before passing judgement.

 

For all we know, it could be like the Joining Ritual of the Grey Wardens. They may have to drink pure Lyrium; if they're lucky, they live and are set for life without the worry of addiction. If not, then they die right on the spot.