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[Sir DeLoria]

And before the Circle's split, some mages needed permission to even get in a relationship, let alone marry.

Boohoo, at least they are protected from disease, famine, war, racially motivated violence, crime, financial problems or even angry peasants. Yes, they have few liberties, but a security that no one else in Thedas can enjoy. Yes, the Kirkwall Circle was an exception, but the others worked great and have for millennia.

And they repay the great Order by behaving like spoiled brats and rebelling.

[heretica]

Boohoo, at least they are protected from disease, famine, war, racially motivated violence, crime, financial problems or even angry peasants. Yes, they have few liberties, but a security that no one else in Thedas can enjoy. Yes, the Kirkwall Circle was an exception, but the others worked great and have for millennia.

And they repay the great Order by behaving like spoiled brats and rebelling.

 

Yes, because trading disease, famine and war for rape, abuse and death is much better. Not to mention "the tranquil solution".

[Master Warder Z_]

Not to mention "the tranquil solution".

 

Which was the idea of a single man and not supported by any in Authority.

 

._.

 

Bringing it up is a shock value statement and not much else.

 

Tsk.

[heretica]

Which was the idea of a single man and not supported by any in Authority.

 

._.

 

Bringing it up is a shock value statement and not much else.

 

Tsk.

 

The number of mages made tranquil rose up in Kirkwall during the events of DA2. Any idea why? 

[Master Warder Z_]

Any idea why? 

 

The fact they were a bunch of corrupt demon worshiping blood mages might have had something to do with it.

 

Seriously the Kirkwall circle was a pit.

[raging_monkey]

The fact they were a bunch of corrupt demon worshiping blood mages might have had something to do with it.
 
Seriously the Kirkwall circle was a pit.

not all but 1 bad apple turns the whole basket bad. Kirkwall was not a pit.... it was the ultimate ****hole

[MisterJB]

Yes, because trading disease, famine and war for rape, abuse and death is much better. Not to mention "the tranquil solution".

They are not more likely to be abuse than anyone else in the world.

Probably less since ot everyone can melt people's faces off with a thought.

[Master Warder Z_]

They are not more likely to be abuse than anyone else in the world.

Probably less since ot everyone can melt people's faces off with a thought.

 

They die like anyone else though if you stab them enough

[MisterJB]

Look, people like Idunna were being allowed in the Circle without being made Tranquil so, there is no way, those who suffered that fate weren't eating babies.

[Hellion Rex]

Look, people like Idunna were being allowed in the Circle without being made Tranquil so, there is no way, those who suffered that fate weren't eating babies.

Why the hell did Meredith not kill her? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. An actual blood mage that legitimately sent more than a few Templars to their deaths...

[Master Warder Z_]

Why the hell did Meredith not kill her?

 

No idea.

[EdwinLi]

I'm more support for both Mage and Templars.

 

I've seen both good and bad Mage and templars through DA:O and DA2. 

 

Ya most Templars can be jerks but at least the Good ones have something called common sense when it comes to innocent people.

[AresKeith]

Why the hell did Meredith not kill her? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. An actual blood mage that legitimately sent more than a few Templars to their deaths...

 

I was kinda shocked when I heard that too, I always killed her

[MisterJB]

"Ok, so we're going to make Tranquil this one girl who wanted to see her mum and ignore the blood mage supremacist who sent Templars to their demonic possessions. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have an appointment with the Chamption and that Apostate Abomination who has been spreading manifestos focusing on the overthrowing of the Chantry all over Kirkwall."

[Todrazok]

I'd like to get the option to reform the entire templar and circle institutions under the banner of the Inquisition. The templars would become another military wing of the Inquisition, and take care of dangerous rogue mages, and the circle would be reformed as a mage school instead of a prison.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'd like to get the option to reform the entire templar and circle institutions under the banner of the Inquisition.

 

Seems to be a fairly popular mindset.

 

I have my doubts it will happen.

[Xilizhra]

Why the hell did Meredith not kill her? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. An actual blood mage that legitimately sent more than a few Templars to their deaths...

Because Meredith, like many abusive authority figures, is grossly inconsistent, and seems to spare and condemn based on her unstable whims.

[themikefest]

Why the hell did Meredith not kill her? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. An actual blood mage that legitimately sent more than a few Templars to their deaths...

I always kill her. I have no reason to let her live.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Why the hell did Meredith not kill her? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. An actual blood mage that legitimately sent more than a few Templars to their deaths...

Because the Kirkwall Circle wasn't half as bad as the mage propaganda brigade would ahve you believe. And I am talking both in-game and out of.

 

Seriously... When you go through the evidence, we have a strong case of the Gallows actually being a strict, but ultimately fair Circle. They show mercy, and professionalism. Yet, you get a grand total of TWO rapes, and suddenly it is the rape-capital of Thedas, and no mage in the Circle is safe. It get nutjobs like Alrik, and suddenly he is the example of the archetypal Kirkwall Templar (even though the game goes out of its way to show he was disliked by all).

 

It wasn't till the third act that things started deteriorating. Though when it, it did so fast.

[Hellion Rex]

I always kill her. I have no reason to let her live.

Normally I would too, but I just wanted to fight Xebenkeck.

[AresKeith]

Normally I would too, but I just wanted to fight Xebenkeck.

 

Sparing her leads to that fight?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Normally I would too, but I just wanted to fight Xebenkeck.

You can still fight Xebenkeck if you kill her. You just have to go find the books on your own, without a quest to track progress for you.

[Hellion Rex]

Because the Kirkwall Circle wasn't half as bad as the mage propaganda brigade would ahve you believe. And I am talking both in-game and out of.

 

Seriously... When you go through the evidence, we have a strong case of the Gallows actually being a strict, but ultimately fair Circle. They show mercy, and professionalism. Yet, you get a grand total of TWO rapes, and suddenly it is the rape-capital of Thedas, and no mage in the Circle is safe. It get nutjobs like Alrik, and suddenly he is the example of the archetypal Kirkwall Templar (even though the game goes out of its way to show he was disliked by all).

 

It wasn't till the third act that things started deteriorating. Though when it, it did so fast.

I'm not disagreeing with you. The very fair treatment of Idunna just seemed somewhat inconsistent with Meredith's character and the nature of the Circle in general. I expected to at least see Idunna given the Rite, if not executed. And yes, I am fully aware of both the pro mage and pro Templar arguments, man. You don't need to repeat it to me lol.

 

The Gallows were the pinnacle of conservative Circles, so I understand why it was rather harsh and strict on the regulation of magic.

[Hellion Rex]

You can still fight Xebenkeck if you kill her. You just have to go find the books on your own, without a quest to track progress for you.

Really? Wow, I had thought you were required to spare Idunna to even have the books show up. Son of a gun, 3 and a half years later and I'm still learning new things about DA2.

[Xilizhra]

Because the Kirkwall Circle wasn't half as bad as the mage propaganda brigade would ahve you believe. And I am talking both in-game and out of.

 

Seriously... When you go through the evidence, we have a strong case of the Gallows actually being a strict, but ultimately fair Circle. They show mercy, and professionalism. Yet, you get a grand total of TWO rapes, and suddenly it is the rape-capital of Thedas, and no mage in the Circle is safe. It get nutjobs like Alrik, and suddenly he is the example of the archetypal Kirkwall Templar (even though the game goes out of its way to show he was disliked by all).

 

It wasn't till the third act that things started deteriorating. Though when it, it did so fast.

Actually, it's at least three rapes that we see onscreen, mages are whipped for speaking to civilians, Tranquil spread like wildfire and no one cares (and we know that Meredith is also practicing illegal Tranquility, and not just Alrik, as Alain brings it up in Act 2), and the situation is bad enough that Kirkwall's nonmage population has largely turned against the templars.

 

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. The very fair treatment of Idunna just seemed somewhat inconsistent with Meredith's character and the nature of the Circle in general. I expected to at least see Idunna given the Rite, if not executed. And yes, I am fully aware of both the pro mage and pro Templar arguments, man. You don't need to repeat it to me lol.

 

The Gallows were the pinnacle of conservative Circles, so I understand why it was rather harsh and strict on the regulation of magic.

See my above post on Meredith. Inconsistency is part of her character.