Really? Wow, I had thought you were required to spare Idunna to even have the books show up. Son of a gun, 3 and a half years later and I'm still learning new things about DA2.
I know that feel. Sadly the game didn't exactly make it easy for us, developing a curiosity to explore it...
("Oh look a cave!" ........ "Oh THIS cave again... This time from the north........")
See my above post on Meredith. Inconsistency is part of her character.
I sincerely wish the game had been longer, cause I felt like I barely got to know her character at all. That said, she was by far much better written than Orsino. And I wish I could have gotten her backstory without needing to side with the Templars.
I sincerely wish the game had been longer, cause I felt like I barely got to know her character at all. That said, she was by far much better written than Orsino. And I wish I could have gotten her backstory without needing to side with the Templars.
Orsino would have been written just fine had it not been for that stupid boss battle.
Really? Wow, I had thought you were required to spare Idunna to even have the books show up. Son of a gun, 3 and a half years later and I'm still learning new things about DA2.
Hell, I didn't even know sparing her made it easier
Hell, I didn't even know sparing her made it easier
Yeah lol. She sends you a letter from her jail cell, which highlights all the books for the quest.
Actually, it's at least three rapes that we see onscreen, mages are whipped for speaking to civilians, Tranquil spread like wildfire and no one cares (and we know that Meredith is also practicing illegal Tranquility, and not just Alrik, as Alain brings it up in Act 2), and the situation is bad enough that Kirkwall's nonmage population has largely turned against the templars.
I remember Alain, who was raped by Keras, and then Alrik who raped multiple..... I am no professor at math, but by my count that's two rapists.... Who was the third?
And what Meredith did to the escaped Apostates was NOT an illegal Tranquilization, since technically they were no longer Circle Mages, and could be punished accordingly. Also, they were Blood Mages the lot of them, so Meredith was well within her rights to have them all executed if she wanted. Yet she showed mercy.
And the claim of a single mage, is hardly proof of whippings.... ESPECIALLY since we talk to multiple mages, and they do so happily, without them fearing being whipped..
I remember Alain, who was raped by Keras, and then Alrik who raped multiple..... I am no professor at math, but by my count that's two rapists.... Who was the third?
And what Meredith did to the escaped Apostates was NOT an illegal Tranquilization, since technically they were no longer Circle Mages, and could be punished accordingly. Also, they were Blood Mages the lot of them, so Meredith was well within her rights to have them all executed if she wanted. Yet she showed mercy.
Hold up, during one situation, I'm pretty sure she killed those mages.
Edit: She killed three of them at random apparently.
I remember Alain, who was raped by Keras, and then Alrik who raped multiple..... I am no professor at math, but by my count that's two rapists.... Who was the third?
Alain gets raped by someone else if Karras is dead.
And what Meredith did to the escaped Apostates was NOT an illegal Tranquilization, since technically they were no longer Circle Mages, and could be punished accordingly.
If this was true, Anders could have been made Tranquil in Awakening.
And the claim of a single mage, is hardly proof of whippings.... ESPECIALLY since we talk to multiple mages, and they do so happily, without them fearing being whipped..
Do we? Aside from Solivitus and Orsino, one of whom is a shopkeeper and the other of whom presumably has dispensation to speak to the Champion?
Alain gets raped by someone else if Karras is dead.
Hold up, you only get the "raped" quote from him about Karras, never anyone else.
Hold up, you only get the "raped" quote from him about Karras, never anyone else.
Not so. If Karras is dead, Alain still says "The templars... ask things of us."
Alain gets raped by someone else if Karras is dead.
If this was true, Anders could have been made Tranquil in Awakening.
Do we? Aside from Solivitus and Orsino, one of whom is a shopkeeper and the other of whom presumably has dispensation to speak to the Champion?
1: That was a result of bugged dialogue (well.. monologue technically). Alain will reference Karras visiting him in his chambers at night, even if you killed Karras in act 1.
2: Yes, he very well could have. But the First Enchanter held his hand over him, for whatever reason.
3: And the score of other mages wondering around, happily spreading their conspiracy theories and boicing their abhorrence to the Circle. OBVIOUSLY not fearing reprisal. So I think we can chalk that whole "mages are whipped for simply talking to outsiders", up as an old-wives tale, spread simply to pass time. Like the story of the boogyman..
1: That was a result of bugged dialogue (well.. monologue technically). Alain will reference Karras visiting him in his chambers at night, even if you killed Karras in act 1.
I'm referring to his line in Best Served Cold.
2: Yes, he very well could have. But the First Enchanter held his hand over him, for whatever reason.
Actually, Anders mentions in Awakening that it's illegal to make Harrowed mages Tranquil, period, and says "Bet they regret that rule."
3: And the score of other mages wondering around, happily spreading their conspiracy theories and boicing their abhorrence to the Circle. OBVIOUSLY not fearing reprisal. So I think we can chalk that whole "mages are whipped for simply talking to outsiders", up as an old-wives tale, spread simply to pass time. Like the story of the boogyman..
And I think I'll chalk this up to reaching so far the tendons begin to snap. Having this particular mage under this injunction for whatever reason strikes me as far more plausible.
wont stop the MT debatesI feel sorry for Templars.
if a seeker can use templar abilities without addiction to lyrium the Templars were seriously screwed over by the chantry.
I hope Cassandra can enlighten us on why she doesn't suffer addiction. Is there something different about the lyrium they use? Is there a ritual or is it a rarer form of lyrium they consume?
I also pity the red Templars. To me, turning to red lyrium for power is just as bad as a mage turning to blood magic for power. It shows no matter whether one is a mage or templar, the temptation for more power will always corrupt.
wont stop the MT debates
Because the Kirkwall Circle wasn't half as bad as the mage propaganda brigade would ahve you believe. And I am talking both in-game and out of.
Seriously... When you go through the evidence, we have a strong case of the Gallows actually being a strict, but ultimately fair Circle. They show mercy, and professionalism.
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Yes, all the corruption and insubordination certainly demonstrates the level of "professionalism" at the Gallows.
we do love to argue my friendSadly, you're correct.
we do love to argue my friend
I sincerely wish the game had been longer, cause I felt like I barely got to know her character at all. That said, she was by far much better written than Orsino. And I wish I could have gotten her backstory without needing to side with the Templars.
I though Orsino was well written. We read his quote where he gives evidence of resentment towards normal people and then he turned into a biological weapon of mass destruction to kill his enemy showing a complete disregard for the lives of anyone else. Consistency.
He ask for help behind Meredith's back so as to conceal possible involvement of Circle mages into blood magic and then it is revealed that he would rather have a serial killer on the loose than have scrutiny fall upon the Circle. This ties with his inability to take responsability for the actions of mages as well as a complete disregards for the lives of anyone who is not a mage.
He is a very consistent character. Entirely despicable, of course, but well written.
i used to be on the fence now i just make jokes and side with magiHaha. I guess i just tend to sit on the fence, seeing both the good and the bad on both sides of it.
Then decide....im gonna make my own backyard.
Inquisition FTW haha.
Hold up, during one situation, I'm pretty sure she killed those mages.
Edit: She killed three of them at random apparently.
If you trick Kerras, she tranquilizes three of them at random as an example. If they go back willingly, three are killed at random.
That man died only because of Fiona.
There wouldn't have even been a battle without her.
Or are you going to deny that?
I am, because that's not what happened.
It's true, that Fiona disregarded the purpose of the legal gathering and put another agenda on the table, which she had the legal right to do as the Grand Enchanter, and that stirred up some templars. But Lambert interrupted the meeting, not because of that, but because he said he was declaring the gathering no longer valid because Pharamond had been murdered and he was taking Rhys into custody. Fiona responded that they had the legal right given by the Divine to be there, and Lambert responded saying that Divine's authority no longer mattered, then ordered the attack.
Yes, Fiona didn't help matters, yes some templars were provoked, but in any court of law, in any country I can think of, the person who throws the first punch is always the one who starts the fight. Words, and being provoked, never are justifiable reasons to throw the first punch in the courtroom, and is usually thrown out.
Lambert and the templars launched the attack and struck the first blow, regardless of what Fiona or the mages said, and that means they started the battle.
Okay...I am one of those people who are rather complicated, lol. I don't think mages should be totally running around without anyone checking on them, but at the same time the Circles don't really work...at least ones like Kirkwall. I think I would be more of a Templar supporter if all the Circles were like Ferelden's*which still had issues, but was still not too bad*. So I support the Templars in the regards of them safeguarding the Mages, but I also think that the Mages should be treated as equally and humanely as possible.
Okay...I am one of those people who are rather complicated, lol. I don't think mages should be totally running around without anyone checking on them, but at the same time the Circles don't really work...at least ones like Kirkwall. I think I would be more of a Templar supporter if all the Circles were like Ferelden's*which still had issues, but was still not too bad*. So I support the Templars in the regards of them safeguarding the Mages, but I also think that the Mages should be treated as equally and humanely as possible.
Careful, there are some templar supporters who'll oppose this stance. I can think of one or two off the top of my head will see it as something not to be even considered. The one I'm thinking of advocates complete and total genocide, and won't even consider anything less.
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