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[raging_monkey]

...Well since templars are considered 'evil' and people who support them are 'evil'...might as well join the Darkside. But the Mage vs Templar arguments with mages portray as nothing as innocents are making me want to stick with the Templars.

im considering changing sides lol the MT agriements are foolish

[riverbanks]

...Well since templars are considered 'evil' and people who support them are 'evil'...might as well join the Darkside. But the Mage vs Templar arguments with mages portray as nothing as innocents are making me want to stick with the Templars.

 

[redacted for reasons ]  - so, you know. Templars are evil bathed in hellfire, mages are poor innocent victims and stuff.

[TheJediSaint]

...Well since templars are considered 'evil' and people who support them are 'evil'...might as well join the Darkside. But the Mage vs Templar arguments with mages portray as nothing as innocents are making me want to stick with the Templars.

To be fair to the Mages, you shouldn't hold the self-righteousness of some of their internet fandom against them.  Same is true for the Templars.

[Xilizhra]

...Well since templars are considered 'evil' and people who support them are 'evil'...might as well join the Darkside. But the Mage vs Templar arguments with mages portray as nothing as innocents are making me want to stick with the Templars.

It isn't that mages are purely innocents, it's that nothing whatsoever justifies their treatment. You don't have to be innocent to deserve a certain level of dignity, respect, and rights.

[Sir DeLoria]

the reason the OP likes the templars because they are sexy

It's cuz they are, you can't deny the sexy.

is just sad for the innocent children the templars have locked up.

anyway, Alistair was never a templar. he trained with them for a while but never did join. so don't insult him. thank you very much.

His Templar training and Chantry education made him into the great man he is today.

Hey, there are a great many uniform fetishists out there who can confirm that evil is indeed sexy.

Wouldn't it be technically more of an armor fetish in this case?

[MisterJB]

Right, taking kids from living in a house with two bedrooms and lock them up in Emperor Drakon's former palace so they can receive an education their parents would never be able to afford and won't be lynched by mobs or accidently kill their folks.

The horror, the attrocity, the incessant whiners that are mages.

[QueenofFereldan]

I am more neutral with the conflict especially after my Mage Origin story. So I believe there is extremes on both sides, but many good on both once you get away from the extremes. But I seem to notice my most prefrerred LIs have been Templar trained warrior (Alistair), pro-Templar views (Fenris), and former Templar (Cullen).

[Xilizhra]

I am more neutral with the conflict especially after my Mage Origin story. So I believe there is extremes on both sides, but many good on both once you get away from the extremes. But I seem to notice my most prefrerred LIs have been Templar trained warrior (Alistair), pro-Templar views (Fenris), and former Templar (Cullen).

Alistair's pro-mage himself, keep in mind.

[raging_monkey]

Alistair's pro-mage himself, keep in mind.

he's a pro moderate actually. Believes in annulment and the imprisonung of jowan. He only has a interest in magic and the arcane

[QueenofFereldan]

Alistair's pro-mage himself, keep in mind.

True. But I also believe that he is somewhat pro-Templar as well since he doesn't hate them or anything. He even believes he had learned a lot from their training. Still, I seem to like the ones with some connection to Templars better than the only Mage we could romance as female. Except Solas for the third game. So technically neither he or Cullen should count for the moment.

[Sir DeLoria]

Alistair's pro-mage himself, keep in mind.

He's more neutral grounded though.

Being a Templar doesn't mean you can't have sympathy for mages

I agree with most of Alistair's mindset, but imo the great Order is of absolute necessity as are the Circles. More regulations just have to be made to prevent another Kirkwall.

[Xilizhra]

True. But I also believe that he is somewhat pro-Templar as well since he doesn't hate them or anything. He even believes he had learned a lot from their training. Still, I seem to like the ones with some connection to Templars better than the only Mage we could romance as female. Except Solas for the third game. So technically neither he or Cullen should count for the moment.

He calls Meredith the greatest threat to Kirkwall and is perfectly willing to go behind the Chantry's back with apostates outside the Circle, so I'm not seeing it.

[QueenofFereldan]

He calls Meredith the greatest threat to Kirkwall and is perfectly willing to go behind the Chantry's back with apostates outside the Circle, so I'm not seeing it.

Because Meredith was insane. If there was someone like Greagoir in position at Kirkwall, he wouldn't have done what he did, no doubt. Besides, he wanted Jowan to stay locked up for being a blood Mage, and he understood that Connor may have to die (even if he didn't like it and expressed it).

So he was for both sides than just one side.

[AresKeith]

Alistair's pro-mage himself, keep in mind.

Alistair is moderate

[heretica]

Right, taking kids from living in a house with two bedrooms and lock them up in Emperor Drakon's former palace so they can receive an education their parents would never be able to afford and won't be lynched by mobs or accidently kill their folks.

The horror, the attrocity, the incessant whiners that are mages.

 

I rather live in a dirty room with my family, knowing that I'm free to do as I please with my own life than sleeping in a bed made of gold, unable to see my family, now knowing what love is about and i'm not even talking about all the abuse. Look at Malcom Hawke, he was a family man and a mage, and tbh he did a good job at raising Bethany. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

I rather live in a dirty room with my family, knowing that I'm free to do as I please with my own life than sleeping in a bed made of gold, unable to see my family, now knowing what love is about and i'm not even talking about all the abuse. Look at Malcom Hawke, he was a family man and a mage, and tbh he did a good job at raising Bethany. 

Have you EVER starved in your life? Have you ever looked to your six siblings well-knowing that at least one of them wouldn't make it through winter? Have you ever had ANY real hardship in your life? If not, then I don't think you should be so quick to claim that your vaunted "freedom" is all you would ever want.

[Xilizhra]

Have you EVER starved in your life? Have you ever looked to your six siblings well-knowing that at least one of them wouldn't make it through winter? Have you ever had ANY real hardship in your life? If not, then I don't think you should be so quick to claim that your vaunted "freedom" is all you would ever want.

Funnily enough, that second one is exactly what mage children go through with the Harrowing.

[heretica]

Have you EVER starved in your life? Have you ever looked to your six siblings well-knowing that at least one of them wouldn't make it through winter? Have you ever had ANY real hardship in your life? If not, then I don't think you should be so quick to claim that your vaunted "freedom" is all you would ever want.

 

Seriously? That's your argument? Have you ever been bullied in school? Well, take that feeling and max it x100. Now, add the fact you don't have any privacy, no place to call your own because there are these guys in full armor looking at your EVERY movement, waiting there to strike you down and end your miserable life, because that's what they think of you.  And on top of that some people justify it. Which is probably the worst. "we lock up crazy people or criminals just the same, they are a risk to society" Implying magic is a disease or a crime. We are talking about people who were born this way. Do you think they chose it? 

 

I'm all up for the Circle working like a school, teaching both mages and non mages about magic (since magic is not a man created thing, it's part of Thedas) but seriously, what was happening in Kirkwall was not normal at all. 

 

And we do not even know about the Circle of Ostwick yet.... 

[Lulupab]

Alistair is moderate

 
I honestly think he is slightly pro-mage. He wasn't at first and was moderate as you said but he started to be after DAO. He appreciates the idea of kicking Templars out of Ferelden but he knows the shitstorm that will follow and never does it. He also protects apostates who have escaped to Ferelden from Kirkwall. As he himself said in the cameo he has no control over mages in the circle but he does on mages outside the circle.
 
Also this is Ferelden we are talking about, they were once in the verge of permanently kicking the whole chantry out of the country when the divine openly approved of Orlais' invasion of Ferelden.

Also I think Orlais being slightly pro-templar should be countered with Ferelden being the opposite, only my opinion though.

[Sir DeLoria]

I rather live in a dirty room with my family, knowing that I'm free to do as I please with my own life than sleeping in a bed made of gold, unable to see my family, now knowing what love is about and i'm not even talking about all the abuse. Look at Malcom Hawke, he was a family man and a mage, and tbh he did a good job at raising Bethany.

Except that if you don't get the proper training or don't realize you're a mage, you might just end up becoming posessed and killing your family and yourself. Bethany was lucky to have a mage as a father. What is a mage child with peasant parents going to do?

[QueenofFereldan]

I honestly think he is slightly pro-mage. He wasn't at first and was moderate as you said but he started to be after DAO. He appreciates the idea of kicking Templars out of Ferelden but he knows the shitstorm that will follow and never does it. He also protects apostates who have escaped to Ferelden from Kirkwall. As he himself said in the cameo he has no control over mages in the circle but he does on mages outside the circle.

Also this is Ferelden we are talking about, they were once in the verge of permanently kicking the whole chantry out of the country when the divine openly approved of Orlais' invasion of Ferelden.

But I think he still understands the needs for the Templars.

With me, I think they still need to be around but the Circle needs to be reformed. Something to benefit both sides.

[QueenofFereldan]

I honestly think he is slightly pro-mage. He wasn't at first and was moderate as you said but he started to be after DAO. He appreciates the idea of kicking Templars out of Ferelden but he knows the shitstorm that will follow and never does it. He also protects apostates who have escaped to Ferelden from Kirkwall. As he himself said in the cameo he has no control over mages in the circle but he does on mages outside the circle.

Also this is Ferelden we are talking about, they were once in the verge of permanently kicking the whole chantry out of the country when the divine openly approved of Orlais' invasion of Ferelden.

But I think he still understands the needs for the Templars.

With me, I think they still need to be around but the Circle needs to be reformed. Something to benefit both sides.

[heretica]

Except that if you don't get the proper training or don't realize you're a mage, you might just end up becoming posessed and killing your family and yourself. Bethany was lucky to have a mage as a father. What is a mage child with peasant parents going to do?

 

That's why I said I'm okay with the Circle being a school. I don't deny the need to train and research magic. It's just the forcing part that i'm not okay with. Also, if Malcom was able to properly have a family and raise kids, why does the Circle deny mages that thing too? If a kid is born in the Circle, it becomes PROPERTY of the Chantry. How horrible is that... 

[Lulupab]

Except that if you don't get the proper training or don't realize you're a mage, you might just end up becoming posessed and killing your family and yourself. Bethany was lucky to have a mage as a father. What is a mage child with peasant parents going to do?

 
Malcolm could have teach everyone in Lothering but then everyone would know he is an apostate and Templars would rain on him. You see the problem here?

[raging_monkey]

That's why I said I'm okay with the Circle being a school. I don't deny the need to train and research magic. It's just the forcing part that i'm not okay with. Also, if Malcom was able to properly have a family and raise kids, why does the Circle deny mages that thing too? If a kid is born in the Circle, it becomes PROPERTY of the Chantry. How horrible is that...

its actually more a ward of the state issue instead pf property