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[Sir DeLoria]

Sure a stick is useful as hell too, but excuse me when I pick a sword instead.

If used right, a battle staff, like a Bō or Jō, is far more effective in a fight than a sword.

[Lulupab]

No what you're doing is being unnecessarily insulting and making completely unfair assumptions about people and how they play. I'm not going to comment on this any further because like I said it just causes arguements.

 
I see what you mean but I was not insulting. When someone says 2+2=5 I am allowed to point out they shouldn't talk about math if they think its the case. I didn't assume anything, it was based on what he said. Because cleanse aura does NOT stop the pools created by certain NPCs that deal % based damage. They are immune to it like most other effects they are immune to. It was not an insult, trust me if I wanted to insult it would be quite obvious.

[Lulupab]

The spec added spirit damage to mage enemies, and contrary to your statement the game was full of magical enemies. 
Resistance to any spell effects

No. Blood magic and spirit damage cannot be resisted. Guess what? 99% of mages we fight are blood mages because the good mages are in the circle minding their own business. Remember those blood pools? yeah none of Templar talents protect against that. Spirit damage also ignore everything except spirit resistance itself which can only be gained by runes applied to armor. All spirits and demons deal spirit damage except rage who dealt fire.
 

Cleansing said effects

Some enemies are immune to it. it also dispells from friendly targets on DAO

 

Spirit A.O.E damage

You are not a mage thus magical damage dealt by you is not scaled like the mages, you are not going to spend attribute points on magic, you gonna spend it on strength and constitution. Its only good for the stun, not the damage, its a joke in terms of damage. I bet you didn't know the damage doesn't scale.

Most of those "tons" of magical enemies either were blood mages or dealt spirit damage which invalidated Templar spec because it provided zero advantage against them.

[Br3admax]

No. Blood magic and spirit damage cannot be resisted. Guess what? 99% of mages we fight are blood mages because the good mages are in the circle minding their own business. Remember those blood pools? yeah none of Templar talents protect against that. Spirit damage also ignore everything except spirit resistance itself which can only be gained by runes applied to armor. All spirits and demons deal spirit damage except rage who dealt fire.

Contrary to popular belief. most of the mages fought in Origins don't use blood magic or spirit damage.

Some enemies are immune to it. it also dispells from friendly targets on DAO

Unlike the AI, I have a brain and can think. I know when to use such things and when they are most effective. As a mage during Broken Circle, I found Templars much more frustrating than any other spec, which besides Reaver, we've been combating since the Wilds now.

ou are not a mage thus magical damage dealt by you is not scaled like the mages, you are not going to spend attribute points on magic, you gonna spend it on strength and constitution. Its only good for the stun, not the damage, its a joke in terms of damage. I bet you didn't know the damage doesn't scale.

"You gonna" learn how to level your character right before you try to criticize me. I bet you didn't know that I never said it did. It's extremely effective with higher willpower, and you're trying to educate me without even knowing how the spell works, or the fact that it had great knock down. You gonna stop talking now, I bet you didn't know just how much it hurt to even read this.

Most of those "tons" of magical enemies either were blood mages or dealt spirit damage which invalidated Templar spec because it provided zero advantage against them.

No. Not at all. It put mages and demons out of the picture and weakened them significantly. If you don't know how significant that is, I'm not sure why you're even commenting on the spec. Mages are the most deadly enemies fought, and if I can put them out of the fight for even a few seconds, I've given time for the rest of the team to finish them off before anyone is seriously wounded. This will be even more important in DA:I.

[CapivaRasgor]

I'm more concerned about the Templar spec, not the armor. In both games it was the most useless warrior spec and everyone who took it did so because of lore. Shitty advantages against rare enemies (mages). Brilliant right? Hopefully its better this time.

 

Err.. seriously? What about silencing those pesky assassins in DA2(yes you could silence non mages) and preventing them from going on stealth? 

[DrBlingzle]

Okay speaking as a pro-mage guy...

 

For the most part I like Templars who follow their duty and do not abuse their powers. They get a lot of **** even when most don't deserve it. I certainly don't agree with all of their rules but I respect those ones who try to do the right thing and don't get corrupted by their power.

[lil yonce]

Okay speaking as a pro-mage guy...

 

For the most part I like Templars who follow their duty and do not abuse their powers. They get a lot of **** even when most don't deserve it. I certainly don't agree with all of their rules but I respect those ones who try to do the right thing and don't get corrupted by their power.

I don't think they should have the power in the first place. The circle of magi is supposed to be autonomous but WoT says it isn't because the heavy templar presence in circles prevent it from being so. The templars are guards, a necessary role, but I think they need to know its restrictions. When the templars encroach on circle affairs, this is what should happen: The Rock - mages. Michael Cole - templars.

 

[Razored1313]

And so it begins...the thread lasted longer than I expected at least

[Sir DeLoria]

And so it begins...the thread lasted longer than I expected at least

The haters haven't arrived yet

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think they should have the power in the first place.

 

I strongly disagree with that point.

 

After all the circle was formed in part to keep magic and mages contained to prevent another Tevinter from occurring.

[themageguy]

As you may notice, i tend to play mage characters in dragon age.

However i do like the Templars and see the role they play as necessary for the safety of both common folk and mages.

If i was in thedas and not born a mage id prob be a templar or a mercenary tempest

My human inquisitor will be a templar (id considered dwarf and qunari however the human background seems perfect for an inquisitor following family tradition) and will be based on the likes of Cullen, Evangeline, and the templar from the last flight novel.

He will be most interested in his red Templar brothers and sisters, the effects of red lyrium and whether they can be saved.

Weapon of choice two handed weapon with either flame or lightning.

[AstraDrakkar]

I'm pro mage but Cullen has tempered me a bit....

 

#Cullenites

[Cryptos]

Aaah good to have a templar support thread, after all, someone needs to protect the mages from themselves and others.

[Master Warder Z_]

It has been a long time coming; we did need another one of these.

[Lumix19]

I strongly disagree with that point.

After all the circle was formed in part to keep magic and mages contained to prevent another Tevinter from occurring.

I never understood this argument. What does that even mean? Tevinter became a magocracy because it has a unique cultural respect for magic not seen in any other society. They elite have been mages since Tevinter began. Thus the idea of another magocracy outside of that unique setting seems ridiculous.

[Master Warder Z_]

I never understood this argument. What does that even mean?

 

That if Mages are not warded over they can assume control of the state?

 

Its a pretty simple notion.

[Lumix19]

That if Mages are not warded over they can assume control of the state?

Its a pretty simple notion.

How would that happen? They wouldn't have the claim or the support to stage such a coup. Not to mention that this is assuming the majority of mages even want to rule.

[Master Warder Z_]

How would that happen? 

 

They form an army? Which they have done.

 

They rebel against the Chantry whom's law forbids them from ruling. Again which they have done.

 

And then the simplest bit of the plan comes into play; assuming control of society.

 

.-. So my question isn't "How" but "When".

 

How is easy, When is much more tricky.

 

Mages are a naturally occurring phenomena within Thedas; there is no "off button" to make Mages disappear, no they will continue to live and be born but that leaves the problem intact.

 

The only way to prevent their unjust rule over society at large is by preventing it from occurring entirely.

 

Hence why you have an organization with power over them that can police them.

[Lumix19]

They form an army? Which they have done.

They rebel against the Chantry whom's law forbids them from ruling. Again which they have done.

And then the simplest bit of the plan comes into play; assuming control of society.

.-. So my question isn't "How" but "When".

How is easy, When is much more tricky.

Mages are a naturally occurring phenomena within Thedas; there is no "off button" to make Mages disappear, no they will continue to live and be born but that leaves the problem intact.

The only way to prevent their unjust rule over society at large is by preventing it from occurring entirely.

Hence why you have an organization with power over them that can police them.

That army is united under the banner of freedom and self-defense, not taking over Thedas. The implied assumption that magi want to rule is utterly unfounded.
Besides taking over a nation is not about simply forming an army. It's about having the support of the people for your rule (which mages would not) and it's about being able to form a functioning government - there's a lot of politics that goes into conquest.

[Master Warder Z_]

The implied assumption that magi want to rule is utterly unfounded.

 

They are but men and lust for power runs within the blood.

 

Mages are not superior beings immune to the very vices that plague non magi.

 

So is it unfounded or simply the human condition?

[Vaseldwa]

I'm liking the new Templar armor

 

 

 

[Lumix19]

They are but men and lust for power runs within the blood.
 
Mages are not superior beings immune to the very vices that plague non magi.
 
So is it unfounded or simply the human condition?

Meh, the human condition is myriad. I'm sure there are some Mages who want to rule just as they are some who want to sit in a library and research magic.

[Br3admax]

Actually, what you're trying to say is the norm, is the exception. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually, what you're trying to say is the norm, is the exception. 

 

Oh?

[themageguy]

@ Master Warder Z

I understand your views on magic cast by mages, but what of the magic involved in enchantments and lyrium?