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[herkles]

No, it must not be done. At least not in the way that it's currently done. I even came up with an alternative: building villages around Circles where the mundane families of mages can live to remain in closer contact.

Then enlighten me.

 

Alrighty. I can explain why this does not work, nice idea in theory though, just not in practice. 

 

1.) There are a number of people that just can't really move around so freely or don't want to. Namely City Elves and commoners. City elves can move from their alianage but only really to another alianage. Serfs in a medieval society, aka your peasants are similar they are tied to the land that they farm. Noblity of any kingdom have incentive not to let their families go to this new town as well, unless it was under their control which it likely is not. This ties into the next reason. 

 

2.) Commerce. Many normal people have jobs that they can not just quit to go to a new town. If you are a servant to a noble family, then you can't really just leave to go visit your children. you have work to do for the noble family after all. Does this mean that people would not come to this new town? no. People would, just likely not the families of mages. Even if the family wanted to go there, it is not cheap. It costs money. Most peasants are poor, they can not afford to just up and travel like this. 

 

So because of the fact that people can not just relocate, due to legal reasons like the peasants and city elves have to deal with, as well as the fact that for economic reasons; such as unable to leave due to a job or not affording it, not to mention people moving to the village that are not related to the magi. Make this idea nice in theory but bad in practice. 

[Xilizhra]

A family who bears a mage child in Gwaren is NOT going to be able to relocate to Kinloch Hold. They cannot afford it, nor can they even make the travel to begin with. The Circle cannot fund it, since they would have to expend all their profits on making sure the families uproot themselves and move. The Teyrnir of Gwaren would probably not even want the entire family to leave, since it would be lost revenue from produce and taxes. And no bannorn, arlings, or teyrnirs would be interrested in Kinloch Hold amassing enough power to be considered a bannorn of its own.

 

Practically problem upon problem to even make it succeed. And even if it did succeed it would be mirred in even more problems.

The Chantry can fund it if it remains in charge. The Chantry's influence might actually be necessary to make this work, so I can see the appeal of continuing to work with them, provided they accept my other reforms--which will include mages within the Chantry's own governmental structure.

 

Of course, I doubt that the final choice of siding with the mages in Inquisition will bring any of these specific solutions up. But it'll have something. Probably more than siding with the templars, if that perk list of Cullen's is any indication; mages seem to be wanting to join the Inquisition for protection anyway, so whatever you'll be able to do, I doubt it'll be hardline.

[StrangeStrategy]

That's not an attack, its the truth. 

 

And in other news, Tevinter Mages rape their slaves (Danarius implies that) and sacrifice servants to entertain guests. 

Don't take the "Lets face reality and look at facts" route, it doesn't work for the mages  

[The Elder King]

And in other news, Tevinter Mages rape their slaves (Danarius implies that) and sacrifice servants to entertain guests. 
Don't take the "Lets face reality and look at facts" route, it doesn't work for the mages

Lulupab isn't a (I think) Tevinter supporter.
Many pro-mages don't like Tevinter.

[Xilizhra]

Alrighty. I can explain why this does not work, nice idea in theory though, just not in practice. 

 

1.) There are a number of people that just can't really move around so freely or don't want to. Namely City Elves and commoners. City elves can move from their alianage but only really to another alianage. Serfs in a medieval society, aka your peasants are similar they are tied to the land that they farm. Noblity of any kingdom have incentive not to let their families go to this new town as well, unless it was under their control which it likely is not. This ties into the next reason. 

 

2.) Commerce. Many normal people have jobs that they can not just quit to go to a new town. If you are a servant to a noble family, then you can't really just leave to go visit your children. you have work to do for the noble family after all. Does this mean that people would not come to this new town? no. People would, just likely not the families of mages. Even if the family wanted to go there, it is not cheap. It costs money. Most peasants are poor, they can not afford to just up and travel like this. 

 

So because of the fact that people can not just relocate, due to legal reasons like the peasants and city elves have to deal with, as well as the fact that for economic reasons; such as unable to leave due to a job or not affording it, not to mention people moving to the village that are not related to the magi. Make this idea nice in theory but bad in practice. 

Chantry subsidies would be the first step here to get things started, I think. But again, I probably won't continue with this because we'll get a canon answer anyway in nineteen days.

[The Elder King]

Chantry subsidies would be the first step here to get things started, I think. But again, I probably won't continue with this because we'll get a canon answer anyway in nineteen days.

If the war truly ends.

[RobRam10]

Lulupab isn't a (I think) Tevinter supporter.
Many pro-mages don't like Tevinter.

H E R E S Y O V E R L O A D!!!

[Lulupab]

That is only a short-term solution, and not a perfect one at that. You would essentially be establishing a second Tevinter Imperium.

 

Anyone with a basic knowledge of sociology, politics and logistics.

 

"Lambert's Templars" is practically ALL Templars and Seekers. With the loss of Lambert, the Templar Order MAY have fractured into several different factions (even though nothing in the reveals so far suggests that).

And I don' think heresy means what you think it means.... There is NOTHING the Templars are currently doign that is essentially heretical. Going against the wishes of the Chantry is NOT heresy. It is at worst disobedience. But since the Templars and Seekers annulled the accord, the Chantry no longer gets to give them orders. As a matter of fact, the Templars didn't even go rogue, they merely went "solo". Splitting from the Chantry was perfectly legal for the Orders.

 

Oh, and it ISN'T a global war..... It may take place in several nations, but it is ONLY mages and Templars/Seekers who participate. Nations are not involved.

 

Making the chantry the neutral party to handle the situation was the main goal to begin with. If Templars can separate from chantry so can mages. Templars are not entitled to any extra privilege, not to mention the problem after problem that will happen, if Lambert is dead there are fourteen knight commanders who have equal power who used to answer to their chantry superior, usually a grand cleric. They have no money to get Lyrium unless they raid and pillage etc... The Chantry can claim what Templars did is heresy because they are disobeying the maker's laws.

 

Its delusional to believe each nation will not do what's best for itself.

 

 

@Lulupab: based on The Nevarran Accord templars and Seekers didn't Break any laws when they left the Chantry. The latter (or at least Justinia) shown a stance incompatible with The Templar one, so they had every right to annull The Accord. I do wonder What their goal will be after Lambert's 'death'.
Also, both mages and templars in DAI are at their worse, given What they're doing to the population.

 

Still that was a foolish decision that will undermine templars greatly. The chantry would have tried to stop the mages and the people would have joined them but with Templars going rogue they actually helped mages a great deal. Lambert indirectly fueled and helped with rebellion, I wouldn't be surprised if a plot twist reveals he was mind controlled, or maybe he was too much of a fool.

[raging_monkey]

Lulupab isn't a (I think) Tevinter supporter.
Many pro-mages don't like Tevinter.

that is true tevinter is nice in theory but its morals arent for everyone and they do alot of things that chafe other beliefs.

*note i am saying this when not RP tevinter FE but as a long term fan on the outside*

[Lulupab]

Lulupab isn't a (I think) Tevinter supporter.
Many pro-mages don't like Tevinter.

 

Indeed, I don't "support" tevinter but there are some aspects I really like about them such as their circle system (freedom to have property, titles and family). Oh and I admire everything that is the enemy of Orlais and Tevinter is no exception. My most favorite is without a doubt Ferelden which I think can be the first in bringing positive changes to southern circles.

 

Tevinter without slavery would be the best nation ever.

[The Elder King]

H E R E S Y O V E R L O A D!!!

There's no heresy in this opinion. Mages don't have to support Tevinter.  

 
 

 
Still that was a foolish decision that will undermine templars greatly. The chantry would have tried to stop the mages and the people would have joined them but with Templars going rogue they actually helped mages a great deal. Lambert indirectly fueled and helped with rebellion, I wouldn't be surprised if a plot twist reveals he was mind controlled, or maybe he was too much of a fool.

Lambert's plan was to force the Chantry to elect a new divine with his actions.
I don't think he was controlled by someone.

[Xilizhra]

Indeed, I don't "support" tevinter but there are some aspects I really like about them such as their circle system (freedom to have property, titles and family). Oh and I admire everything that is the enemy of Orlais and Tevinter is no exception. My most favorite is without a doubt Ferelden which I think can be the first in bringing positive changes to southern circles.

 

Tevinter without slavery would be the best nation ever.

Aside from the whole "we crushed and still subjugate the elves" thing.

[herkles]

that is true tevinter is nice in theory but its morals arent for everyone and they do alot of things that chafe other beliefs.

*note i am saying this when not RP tevinter FE but as a long term fan on the outside*

 

why does everyone forget about Nevarra in this matter? In Nevarra mages aren't mistreated, well at not the creepy death mages known as the Mortalatis. And Nevarra follows the Andrastian Chantry, does not practice slavery, and is not filled with hyper-competivie evil people, nevarran mages are creepy not evil

[The Elder King]

Indeed, I don't "support" tevinter but there are some aspects I really like about them such as their circle system (freedom to have property, titles and family). Oh and I admire everything that is the enemy of Orlais and Tevinter is no exception. My most favorite is without a doubt Ferelden which I think can be the first in bringing positive changes to southern circles.
 
Tevinter without slavery would be the best nation ever.

I honestly think Ferelden is too weak to Lead any changes (expecially since they're still recovering from The Blight). It doesn't help that a new Civil war might happen after their current rulers die, since an heir is highly unlikely.

[RobRam10]

I honestly think Ferelden is too weak to Lead any changes (expecially since they're still recovering from The Blight). It doesn't help that a new Civil war might happen after their current rulers die, since an heir is highly unlikely.

Chaos comes to consume Ferelden!

[raging_monkey]

why does everyone forget about Nevarra in this matter? In Nevarra mages aren't mistreated, well at not the creepy death mages known as the Mortalatis. And Nevarra follows the Andrastian Chantry, does not practice slavery, and is not filled with hyper-competivie evil people, nevarran mages are creepy not evil

but nevarran magi are considered a enigma and not much is known about them so it may be irresponsible to say "hey look decent magocracy". Plus the are borderline a entirly different circle system in the southern nations.

I personally would love to learn more about them (had a interest in mummification and their general eygtptian habits. Love history)

[Lulupab]

Aside from the whole "we crushed and still subjugate the elves" thing.

 
I don't think Tevinter has any specific problem with Elves, they have problem with everyone who is not a Tevinter citizen. Elven mages and agents exist in tevinter and they are not discriminated against because they are Tevinter before anything else. They subjugated all humans of Thedas too and made them slaves also. I don't know why the were too harsh to Arlathan, that was too cruel for mere jealousy or trade disagreements. I would like to know what happened.

I honestly think Ferelden is too weak to Lead any changes (expecially since they're still recovering from The Blight). It doesn't help that a new Civil war might happen after their current rulers die, since an heir is highly unlikely.

The Bannorn and landsmeet can overrule the king in any matter so I think the situation can be controlled if there is no king however the possibility of civil war does exist.

[The Elder King]

Chaos comes to consume Ferelden!

Does The Imperium fear Ferelden that much ?

[The Ascendant]

'We live in the world and magic is a part of it. One might as well reject the sky,' Sten of the Beresaad. 

[RobRam10]

Does The Imperium fear Ferelden that much ?

Ferelden is the laughing stock of Thedas. The Imperium has no fear of back water dog lords.

[The Elder King]

I don't think Tevinter has any specific problem with Elves, they have problem with everyone who is not a Tevinter citizen. Elven mages and agents exist in tevinter and they are not discriminated against because they are Tevinter before anything else. They subjugated all humans of Thedas too and made them slaves also. I don't know why the were too harsh to Arlathan, that was too cruel for mere jealousy or trade disagreements. I would like to know what happened.The Bannorn and landsmeet can overrule the king in any matter so I think the situation can be controlled if there is no king however the possibility of civil war does exist.

1) I'd really like to know more about that war as well.
2)The problem is that there won't be a Direct heir. Unless The Landsmeet changes the political system a king/Queen will be needed.
I think the Couslands and the Guerrins will fight for The throne.

[Grimmdead]

I'm making my Inquisitor a Templar (warrior) build this first time around then might double back for some mage fun. It should be interesting with both of my imported circles being annulled. 

[The Elder King]

Ferelden is the laughing stock of Thedas. The Imperium has no fear of back water dog lords.

Well, you seem awfully interested in their problem .
While I wouldn't say they're The laughing stock, they're The weakest nation in Thedas for now.

[herkles]

Assuming Nevarra can resolve its own succession issue before it heads into chaos, then Nevarra can easily be the kingdom to lead the change. It is strong and growing stronger. It has fought and won against the free-marches and Orlais. When it comes to magic, they can help lead because they have a different view then the rest of thedas. 

 

So go Nevarra!

[Hellion Rex]

Assuming Nevarra can resolve its own succession issue before it heads into chaos, then Nevarra can easily be the kingdom to lead the change. It is strong and growing stronger. It has fought and won against the free-marches and Orlais. When it comes to magic, they can help lead because they have a different view then the rest of thedas.

So go Nevarra!

Considering how the Mortalitasi run the show in Nevarra, I don't know if I want to see necromancers in a more powerful position than they already are there.