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[raging_monkey]

Nevarra in general is quite powerful. As for the Chantry, who knows. They've made exceptions (or at least elected to ignore) due to cultural basis before, with Rivain. The Chantry is either not offended enough to call an Exalted March (Templars on their own wouldn't be able to achieve much, if anything) or they've decided that calling one isn't worth the cost.
 

 
The Mortalitasi are not the kind of necromancers you speak of, nor are they murderers (at least in a capacity that would draw notice or accusation).

humans do odd things when pushed into corners while we know nothing of their power best to air on caution

[herkles]

Nevarra in general is quite powerful. As for the Chantry, who knows. They've made exceptions (or at least elected to ignore) due to cultural basis before, with Rivain. The Chantry is either not offended enough to call an Exalted March (Templars on their own wouldn't be able to achieve much, if anything) or they've decided that calling one isn't worth the cost.

 

Nevarra is a rising power, they are very powerful. They are also faithful to the chantry. They follow what the chantry says is dogma. While the Mortalitasi don't seem to be a part of the traditional magical circles, I wouldn't be surprised if they had their own circles. The fact they don't cremete but do mummification is something that they have done for years, so the chantry likely didn't consider it an issue worth persuing. 

 

Also the Nevarrans are famous for hunting dragons. The Pentaghast family in particular just loves to go out find dragons and slay them. Not something many other nations can boast of

 

Keep in mind that each kingdom's own chantries are going to take on a different flavor due to the culture of that kingdom. even if they are all in accordance with the Divine in Orlais, they still can have small varations that aren't worth the hassal of fighting one another over it

 

The Mortalitasi are not the kind of necromancers you speak of, nor are they murderers (at least in a capacity that would draw notice or accusation).

This is why I love them. Because they are decidely not evil. Creepy, macabre, weird and gothic? hell yes, but they are not evil. Usually Necromancers are just evil. The Mortalitasi are necromancers, as in the do death magic and deal with the dead, but they tend to the graves in the Nevarran Necropoli and make sure that the corpses are protected, and not becoming corpse-abominations. 

 

I like the mortalitasi because their whole ethos is about the respecting the dead. I do hope that with Necromancers being a class, and cassandra being from Nevarra that we can learn a lot more about the Mortalitasi and the kingdom of Nevarra. 

[lil yonce]

Nevarra is a rising power, they are very powerful. They are also faithful to the chantry. They follow what the chantry says is dogma. While the Mortalitasi don't seem to be a part of the traditional magical circles, I wouldn't be surprised if they had their own circles. The fact they don't cremete but do mummification is something that they have done for years, so the chantry likely didn't consider it an issue worth persuing.  Keep in mind that each kingdom's own chantries are going to take on a different flavor due to the culture of that kingdom. even if they are all in accordance with the Divine in Orlais, they still can have small varations that aren't worth the hassal of fighting one another over it

Until Orlais decides that Nevarra is a problem that needs handling and uses the Chantry to highlight how fast and loose they play with doctrine to stir conflict. And what I like most about the Mortalitasi is that they are rumored to rule Nevarra through its current king. Mages outside Tevinter with power - yes I like that very much. And even if it isn't actually the whole truth, I see Orlais using it as another excuse to declare war.

[herkles]

Until Orlais decides that Nevarra is a problem that handling and uses the Chantry to highlight how fast and loose they play with doctrine to stir conflict. And what I like most about the Mortalitasi is that they are rumored to rule Nevarra through its current king. Mages outside Tevinter with power - yes I like that very much. And even if it isn't actually the whole truth, I see Orlais using it as another excuse to declare war.

 

Orlais and Nevarra already fought a war and Nevarra won. This was in the blessed age, around 8:70 If I recall. Nevarra's armies are strong. Orlais has been working on a different straigy of trying to sow deception in some of the conquered terrorties. 

 

The chantry doesn't need to get involved. Orlais and Nevarra or any other kingdom can fight amongst each other without it being a religious issue. 

[The Elder King]

Until Orlais decides that Nevarra is a problem that handling and uses the Chantry to stir conflict. And what I like most about the Mortalitasi is that they are rumored to rule Nevarra through its current king. Mages outside Tevinter with power - yes I like that very much. If nothing else, I see Orlais using it as another excuse to declare war.

I disagree. Nevarra is too powerful to risk a war, and it's an important assett for the Chantry as well.
Regardless, after DAI it'll take time before Orlais and the Chantry recover...and The latter might not have an army.

[KingTony]

HUGE Templay fanboy here.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

All In Favor of moving the seat of power for the chantry to Nevarra? and creating a permanent office of the Inquisition?

[Master Warder Z_]

All In Favor of moving the seat of power for the chantry to Nevarra? and creating a permanent office of the Inquisition?

 

No and no.

[herkles]

All In Favor of moving the seat of power for the chantry to Nevarra? and creating a permanent office of the Inquisition?

 

Well the Divine's area should be its own tiny country, just like the vatican is. I would also create an additional holy order of knights, besides the templars. Templars are cool. However, they do have to use lyrium, and it could be useful to have knights who lack that; plus having an additional order would be useful against rogue groups like the red templars or the heretical Tevinter or the heathen Qunari. 

[lil yonce]

Orlais and Nevarra already fought a war and Nevarra won. This was in the blessed age, around 8:70 If I recall. Nevarra's armies are strong. Orlais has been working on a different straigy of trying to sow deception in some of the conquered terrorties. 

 

The chantry doesn't need to get involved. Orlais and Nevarra or any other kingdom can fight amongst each other without it being a religious issue. 

I disagree. Nevarra is too powerful to risk a war, and it's an important assett for the Chantry as well.
Regardless, after DAI it'll take time before Orlais and the Chantry recover...and The latter might not have an army.

They did beat Orlais once but that was a while ago. IIRC, they've since lost to city-state they were trying to force into their empire. I don't doubt their strength too much, really, but if it came to it - I think Orlais could take them. And calling on the Chantry to affect things is exactly what Orlais does whenever its interests are not favored - like in Kirkwall, Ferelden, Tevinter, and likely the case in the Dales.

 

Also IIRC, Gaspard wanted to militarize/secure the Nevarran border - so if not flatout pursuing war, he wanted to at least prepare for the possibility of one.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

the Chantry needs an army, and Nevarra has one. the Inquisition being a force outside of chantry law, but with the Authority of its office would make the best choice for the Voice of Said Army, deciding where and how to proceed. it would solve the Chantry's Exalted March Spree's, and they would not just send people against the Qunari and Tevinter and everyone willy nilly.

 

Yes, the Cathedral in Val Royaux should be its onw city state herk.

 

The Tevinter and Andrastian chantries will eventually come to blows, and what everyone needs right after the demon conflict is a Dual Forced Exalted march against eachother, until no one is left to oppose the Qun, the Inquisitor(s), would be the Voice of Reason for the Andrastian Chant, because they stand outside of chantry law, but will have a powerful place in its hierarchy. and as such can do things the chantry would not normally agree on *Cough*Apostatesandmalificarum*cough*.

[Master Warder Z_]

Orlais and Nevarra already fought a war and Nevarra won. 

 

Hyperbole.

 

It was a border skirmish over territory over Orlais had retained since a prior blight.

 

It also had the side effect of leaving a bunch of culturally orlesian nevarrans under a regime they don't care for.

[MisterJB]

 

make sure that the corpses are protected, and not becoming corpse-abominations. 

 

 

Technically, they do the very opposite. Their philosophy is that when someone dies, they displace a Fade spirit. Hence, they preserve the corpses so the spirit can inhabit them so as to keep balance.

I don't even want to think of how many walking dead there are in Nevarra.
 

[herkles]

Technically, they do the very opposite. Their philosophy is that when someone dies, they displace a Fade spirit. Hence, they preserve the corpses so the spirit can inhabit them so as to keep balance.

I don't even want to think of how many walking dead there are in Nevarra.
 

 

Not quite. What I meant was that they don't want the corpses rising. Yes they place a fade spirit in them, but they want to keep them in the necorpoli protected and not causing harm to the people. At least that is what I got from reading about them. 

[Hellion Rex]

Technically, they do the very opposite. Their philosophy is that when someone dies, they displace a Fade spirit. Hence, they preserve the corpses so the spirit can inhabit them so as to keep balance.

I don't even want to think of how many walking dead there are in Nevarra.
 

Indeed. They have already blocked and sealed off a bunch of the burial sites due to the rampant undead.

[Hellion Rex]

Not quite. What I meant was that they don't want the corpses rising. Yes they place a fade spirit in them, but they want to keep them in the necorpoli protected and not causing harm to the people. At least that is what I got from reading about them. 

Indeed. But once they shove a spirit in, they lock it in the Necropoli and forget about them. And when the undead break free from their tombs, they roam loose within the large Necropoli.

[The Elder King]

They did beat Orlais once but that was a while ago. IIRC, they've since lost to city-state they were trying to force into their empire. I don't doubt their strength too much, really, but if it came to it - I think Orlais could take them. And calling on the Chantry to affect things is exactly what Orlais does whenever its interests are not favored - like in Kirkwall, Ferelden, Tevinter, and likely the case in the Dales.
 
Also IIRC, Gaspard wanted to militarize/secure the Nevarran border - so if not flatout pursuing war, he wanted to at least prepare for the possibility of one.

Tevinter was more on the Chantry side, and The Dales were considered a threat by The Chantry as well. Not to mention that if The elves were Indeed near Val-Rouyeaux, they were directly threatening the Chantry's centre of power.
So far the Chantry helped only against minor powers in matters were the Chantry didn't have a personal interest (as it Where in the case of Tevinter and Dales).
Again, I'm not doubting Orlais is stronger then Nevarra and a war between them might happen. But given Nevarra's power, I don't think The Chantry will interfee, since the might consider Nevarra too useful to lose it, in exchange on a long war that will weaken an already weakened South.

[lil yonce]

Tevinter was more on the Chantry side, and The Dales were considered a threat by The Chantry as well. Not to mention that if The elves were Indeed near Val-Rouyeaux, they were directly threatening the Chantry's centre of power.
So far the Chantry helped only against minor powers in matters were the Chantry didn't have a personal interest (as it Where in the case of Tevinter and Dales).
Again, I'm not doubting Orlais is stronger then Nevarra and a war between them might happen. But given Nevarra's power, I don't think The Chantry will interfee, since the might consider Nevarra too useful to lose it, in exchange on a long war that will weaken an already weakened South.

IIRC, there is a claim that templars were sent into the Dales in the midst of Orlesian/Dalish border skirmishes before the official war. And the Schism between Chantries is too caught up in the Orlesian/Tevinter power struggle for me to say it was more on the Chantry side of things but I think its fair to disagree on that point.

 

Kirkwall is so far the best example of the Chantry as an Orlesian power tool IMO. And I disagree that they haven't had a personal interest in say, having a templar Viscount in Kirkwall or templar king on the Ferelden throne.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Indeed. But once they shove a spirit in, they lock it in the Necropoli and forget about them. And when the undead break free from their tombs, they roam loose within the large Necropoli.

See, that is why Nevarra would be an AWESOME setting for the next game. The morbid sense in the entire Nevarran culture is intriguing.

[The Elder King]

IIRC, there is a claim that templars were sent into the Dales in the midst of Orlesian/Dalish border skirmishes before the official war. And the Schism between Chantries is too caught up in the Orlesian/Tevinter power struggle for me to say it was more on the Chantry side of things but I think its fair to disagree on that point.
 
Kirkwall is so far the best example of the Chantry as an Orlesian power tool IMO. And I disagree that they haven't had a personal interest in say, having a templar Viscount in Kikrwall or templar king on the Ferelden throne.

The fact that templars were present in The Dales prove my point. The Chantry had personal interest, and so if didn't Support Orlais just because they're allies.
Technically a templar can't become either viscount or king. Otherwise Meredith would've taken it. There weren't templars viscounts or kings.
As I said, The Chantry might help Orlais in their conquests but not when it involves Major powers (like Tevinter and The Dales at The time), unless the Chantry itself could take advantage of if. My point is that the Chantry might not have a personal interest in seeing Nevarra falls, so they wouldn't help Orlais. Expecially in the current weakened situation southern Thedas is in.

[Sir DeLoria]

HUGE Templay fanboy here.

[Warden-Commander Cousland]

I wonder if the human warrior or rogue will actually be able to say outright that they were/are a Templar, rather than having vague responses about their connection to the chantry. It'd make interacting with your mage companions quite interesting, at least. I hope so. Plus it would add more roleplaying depth for a pro-Templar like me.

[lil yonce]

The fact that templars were present in The Dales prove my point. The Chantry had personal interest, and so if didn't Support Orlais just because they're allies.
Technically a templar can't become either viscount or king. Otherwise Meredith would've taken it. There weren't templars viscounts or kings.
As I said, The Chantry might help Orlais in their conquests but not when it involves Major powers (like Tevinter and The Dales at The time), unless the Chantry itself could take advantage of if. My point is that the Chantry might not have a personal interest in seeing Nevarra falls, so they wouldn't help Orlais. Expecially in the current weakened situation southern Thedas is in.

Its insinuated that Orlais supported the Chantry sending templars, I think. And its certainly suspicious that the Chantry pressed the matter in the middle of an Orlesian/Dalish political conflict.

 

And I don't think Meredith had any intention giving up power in Kirkwall after taking it, and realistically I don't know who could have had her removed other than the Chantry. Already the templars selected the last Viscount - I kind of see Meredith seizing power as the next step. And IIRC the Grand Cleric in Ferelden resisted Alistair leaving the Chantry - likely because he'd be very useful.

 

And it also depends on the power dynamic, I think. When the Orlesian throne is stronger than the Sunburst throne - the Chantry will do what Orlais asks. And Gaspard criticizes Celene for not collaring the Chantry and forcing an end to the mage/templar war. I don't think he'd have a problem using it as a tool against the Nevarrans if he felt it necessary to war with them in the near future.

[Apostate.]

You guys really should think things through.

We aren't so different you and us.

You like Lyrium.

We like Lyrium.

Like peas in a pod.

[KingTony]

You guys really should think things through.
We aren't so different you and us.
You like Lyrium.
We like Lyrium.
Like peas in a pod.

Submit to the Circle or fall like scum, apostate!