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[Apostate.]

Submit to the Circle or fall like scum, apostate!

I beg for Mercy. They never asked me for my vote.

[Master Warder Z_]

I beg for Mercy. They never asked me for my vote.

 

Mercy is for dog lords and Nike salesmen.

[raging_monkey]

I beg for Mercy. They never asked me for my vote.

tevinter is still on the table

[Master Warder Z_]

tevinter is still on the table

 

For the moment.

[raging_monkey]

For the moment.

its my understanding that after 4marches tevinter still stands my friend lol

[Apostate.]

You see? Stubborn dogma is forcing me straight north across the border at this rate.

The Maker says many things, is forgiveness not one of them? (Borderline serious question)

[Master Warder Z_]

its my understanding that after 4marches tevinter still stands my friend lol

 

And it is my understanding that only two countries actually contributed to those efforts and considering that during the interim between the marches you had blights it becomes somewhat clear why they stopped.

 

Tevinter reminds me of Switzerland.

 

That's right Switzerland

 

Hiding behind its walls and clinging to past glories while their superiors actually contribute to the world.

[Apostate.]

And it is my understanding that only two countries actually contributed to those efforts and considering that during the interim between the marches you had blights it becomes somewhat clear why they stopped.

 

Tevinter reminds me of Switzerland.

 

That's right Switzerland

 

Hiding behind its walls and clinging to past glories while their superiors actually contribute to the world.

Didn't Switzerland have like big hills and mountains where a single guy with a rifle had the ability to hold up entire advances of much larger forces?

I feel like the history channel told me this once....

[raging_monkey]

You see? Stubborn dogma is forcing me straight north across the border at this rate.
The Maker says many things, is forgiveness not one of them? (Borderline serious question)

* darth vader voice*we are no saints but if you join me not a apprentice but a equal you will find happyness better than in the south* extends hand in friendship*

And it is my understanding that only two countries actually contributed to those efforts and considering that during the interim between the marches you had blights it becomes somewhat clear why they stopped.
 
Tevinter reminds me of Switzerland.
 
That's right Switzerland
 
Hiding behind its walls and clinging to past glories while their superiors actually contribute to the world.

hehe the swiss are wierd lol but lovely banking systems

[Hellion Rex]

And it is my understanding that only two countries actually contributed to those efforts and considering that during the interim between the marches you had blights it becomes somewhat clear why they stopped.

 

Tevinter reminds me of Switzerland.

 

That's right Switzerland

 

Hiding behind its walls and clinging to past glories while their superiors actually contribute to the world.

Right...cause Orlais is doing so much for the world at the moment. At the least the Imperium is a bastion against the Qunari. Orlesians are more concerned with parties and backstabbing.

[herkles]

And it is my understanding that only two countries actually contributed to those efforts and considering that during the interim between the marches you had blights it becomes somewhat clear why they stopped.

 

Tevinter reminds me of Switzerland.

 

That's right Switzerland

 

Hiding behind its walls and clinging to past glories while their superiors actually contribute to the world.

so tevinter's armies are badass mercaneries?

[Apostate.]

Right...cause Orlais is doing so much for the world at the moment. At the least the Imperium is at least a bastion against the Qunari. Orlesians are more concerned with parties and backstabbing.

Know your enemy.

The Qun is dangerous.

Treat all "dangerous" things equally dammit, lock it up in a giant tower, never to leave, fill it with "luxury", provide Templars.

[Master Warder Z_]

Didn't Switzerland have like big hills and mountains where a single guy with a rifle had the ability to hold up entire advances of much larger forces?

I feel like the history channel told me this once....

 

Eh...considering there hasn't been any notable military engagement there in modern warfare...who knows.

 

It went untouched during the world wars for the most part and afterwards there never was a conflict in Europe to threaten to it.

[raging_monkey]

Know your enemy.
The Qun is dangerous.
Treat all "dangerous" things equally dammit, lock it up in a giant tower, never to leave, fill it with "luxury", provide Templars.

Good..good.. let the hate and bitterness flow through you...it will make you strong

[dragonflight288]

IIRC, there is a claim that templars were sent into the Dales in the midst of Orlesian/Dalish border skirmishes before the official war. And the Schism between Chantries is too caught up in the Orlesian/Tevinter power struggle for me to say it was more on the Chantry side of things but I think its fair to disagree on that point.

 

Kirkwall is so far the best example of the Chantry as an Orlesian power tool IMO. And I disagree that they haven't had a personal interest in say, having a templar Viscount in Kikrwall or templar king on the Ferelden throne.

 

Also, the Chantry had no personal stake in Kirkwall's politics before Dumar ascended, but Orlais certainly did, and the Chantry got involved there, to the point of the Divine ordering the Knight-Commander to take action, and his refusing saying it was the duty of a templar to observe and defend against magic. This correspondence got him killed anyway and paved the way for Meredith. 

 

Also, why was Elthina the one to try and sentence him and not the nobles or the magistrate?

[jedthing]

Initially in Dragon Age 2 I barely sided with the Templars, merely believing them to be the lesser of two evils. 
That was then, now I'm more or less an ardent supporter of our wondrous plate armored protectors.

[Lulupab]

And it is my understanding that only two countries actually contributed to those efforts and considering that during the interim between the marches you had blights it becomes somewhat clear why they stopped.

 

Tevinter reminds me of Switzerland.

 

That's right Switzerland

 

Hiding behind its walls and clinging to past glories while their superiors actually contribute to the world.

 

I just don't know what to say lmao. There is no single similarity between Switzerland and Tevinter.

 

Maybe you just cannot handle the fact that its most neutral country in the world and everyone trusts them to handle global hostilities. But we shouldn't discuss real world stuff.

[john-in-france]

I beg for Mercy. They never asked me for my vote.

 

LOL

 

4 options really.

 

1) Run for Tevinter, where you'll become a blood sacrifice or a slave (Tevinter attitude to outsiders mentioned in Last Flight).

2) Join the Grey Wardens.

3) Join my Inquisition, there is a Mage tower in my Skyhold 

4) Submit to the Chantry and ask for mercy, ending up in a Circle Tower again.

 

Of corse there is a 5th option...to die...but that would be a waste of a perfectly good mage. 

[john-in-france]

All In Favor of moving the seat of power for the chantry to Nevarra? and creating a permanent office of the Inquisition?

 

I see what you did there....

 

No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition! mwahahaha....cue Monty Python jokes....

[Lulupab]

If you're an elf mage you can always go to the Dalish.

[john-in-france]

If you're an elf mage you can always go to the Dalish.

 

One hopes that to be true...however the general attitude to City Elves by the Dalish is...problematic.

[The Elder King]

Its insinuated that Orlais supported the Chantry sending templars, I think. And its certainly suspicious that the Chantry pressed the matter in the middle of an Orlesian/Dalish political conflict.
 
And I don't think Meredith had any intention giving up power in Kirkwall after taking it, and realistically I don't know who could have had her removed other than the Chantry. Already the templars selected the last Viscount - I kind of see Meredith seizing power as the next step. And IIRC the Grand Cleric in Ferelden resisted Alistair leaving the Chantry - likely because he'd be very useful.
 
And it also depends on the power dynamic, I think. When the Orlesian throne is stronger than the Sunburst throne - the Chantry will do what Orlais asks. And Gaspard criticizes Celene for not collaring the Chantry and forcing an end to the mage/templar war. I don't think he'd have a problem using it as a tool against the Nevarrans if he felt it necessary to war with them in the near future.

Again, I think both Orlais and the Chantry had interests in The Dales, so they helped each other. I can't put aside the problem the Chantry had with The Dales. Also, The elves themselves recognized The Major problem with The Chantry. They'd have no reason to say this if they don't believe it's The truth. Granted, we don't know exactly What happened, so everything is possible.

Meredith was borderline insane and paranoid at that point, and The templars hold power in Kirkwall for decades, long after The Orlesians left. The current problem in Kirwkall had Nothing to do with Orlais.
I already recognized that the Chantry favoured Orlais in Kirkwall, as well i Ferelden. My point is that if won't support Orlais against a Major power without a direct interest.

Of course who is in charge in the Chantry and Orlais might affect the relationship between The Two, but that doesn't mean that by default The Chantry would do anything Orlais wants. It's actually possible that some past events (like The Dales) had Orlais serving The Chantry's interest.

I don't think Gaspard would've forced Justinia in doing What he wanted though.

[azarhal]

About the Chantry, Orlais and Kirkwall. It's mentioned in the lore that the Divine was a friend of the Emperor of Orlais and she used the Templars to pressure Perrin. The whole thing directly resulted in the event of Dawn of the Seeker where a Grand Cleric and a Knight-Commander wanted to murder the Divine because they though the Chantry and Templars should have even more political powers.

 

This less or more suggest that Beatrix might not have been the person who involved the Chantry in the matter. She might have been already a puppet leader in 9:21 for all we know.

[Keroko]

I'd say a bigger sign of problems with the templars is that they screen out people who are too moral, as seen in the codex.

 

To a degree, this is not that odd. Templars must be willing to draw their blades against those they guard and protect when the need arises. A templar who is too kind of heart to do so risks killing everyone.

 

Even in a reformed Circle with less restrictions, or even a completely mage-run Circle, there will be need for people who can kill one innocent to prevent the deaths of many.

[TheKomandorShepard]

To a degree, this is not that odd. Templars must be willing to draw their blades against those they guard and protect when the need arises. A templar who is too kind of heart to do so risks killing everyone.

 

Even in a reformed Circle with less restrictions, or even a completely mage-run Circle, there will be need for people who can kill one innocent to prevent the deaths of many.

Templar should be completely ruthless toward mages they aren't there to make friends with them only to cut them if they may be threat pretty much whole "be nice" caused that mess in first place and a lot other disasters i had to clean.

In first place mages shouldn't have any authority (otherwise see kriwkall or ferelden circle that were blood mages lair) and templars should have absolute authority over mages.