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[Keroko]

Templar should be completely ruthless toward mages they aren't there to make friends with them only to cut them if they may be threat pretty much whole "be nice" caused that mess in first place and a lot other disasters i had to clean.
In first place mages shouldn't have any authority (otherwise see kriwkall or ferelden circle that were blood mages lair) and templars should have absolute authority over mages.

Absolute authority leads to corruption, Commander Shepard. We've seen this in Meredith and Lambert. When we reform order we should return to its roots: The locating of mages, bringing them to the tower for proper training and watch over them as they do so. Any political might we have acquired should be surrendered. We are guardians, not rulers.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Absolute authority leads to corruption, Commander Shepard. We've seen this in Meredith and Lambert. When we reform order we should return to its roots: The locating of mages, bringing them to the tower for proper training and watch over them as they do so. Any political might we have acquired should be surrendered. We are guardians, not rulers.

Meredith and Lambert never had Absolute authority pretty much why everything went to hell ,as merdith had to play with orsino that was corrupted among with most of circle and lambert had to face rogue mages that want separate themselves from chantry and he almost prevented war sadly divine was dumb same for leliana and freed mages.If templars had absolute authority such situations like ferelden,kirkwall circle and mages going rogue wouldn't have place.

 

Everything pretty much goes into that mages have to much freedom and power in circles as we see in ferelden and kirkwall circle that were we had blood mage on blood mage pretty much Meredith was only trying to stop that sadly she couldn't because orsino and pretty much very flawed system that allowed them to do that as well protected them.Not to mention that something ridiculous as faternites shouldn't even exist pretty much that lead to entire mess with mages wanting go rogue in asunder.

 

Templars are to prevent mages causing disasters at any cost and by that they need control them more or less sadly that less part was proven inefficient as we saw to that point.

 

Pretty much this entire war is because templars failed at their goal to control mages.   

[Master Warder Z_]

Once the Order returns to the Chantry with the mages in tow then everything will be well.

[MisterJB]

It shall require a new Divine, of course. One that takes her duty seriously and does not take wild chances with the lives of the faithful.

[Br3admax]

It's a good thing everybody up top is dead, or in Fiona's case soon will be. Everyone needs a fresh start. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not rly we saw how current order worked pretty much circles were full of blood mages , mages constantly were escaping from circles and number of mages that weren't captured by templars were rather frightening same for disasters mages were causing.

 

Current order and system were doing horrible job in terms of controlling mages so divine is smallest problem here.

[Br3admax]

You're right. Because a few mages escaped and the system isn't perfect, we should adopt a totalitarian state that totally doesn't prove the point. Because you know, being Templar Tevinter sounds pretty sweet. 

[KingTony]

Tevinter is an example of the dangerous minority ruling the fearful majority. Templars are required to keep the majority safe and free from the mages, or else it really would be Tevinter all over.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You're right. Because a few mages escaped and the system isn't perfect, we should adopt a totalitarian state that totally doesn't prove the point. Because you know, being Templar Tevinter sounds pretty sweet. 

Those "few" (in fact a lot mages) aren't normal humans and every mage can cause tremendous destruction so escape shouldn't be treated as student that skip classes.System was flawed in more than that circle mages had easy access to blood magic as well a lot of them.As well mages rights allowed mages like orsino or uldred act freely and get access to blood magic.Add to that amount of destruction that mages caused since dao well a lot of that.

 

So yes circles should be prisons that effectively control mages and prevent them from causing damage not forced luxury hotel.

 

Of course on my simple it would be better just hunt mages down but well if you want play in prison that is to make sure mages won't cause destruction and won't blow up world at least make it effective.

[Br3admax]

Things fall through the cracks in any system. This one is pretty damn effective. 

[Keroko]

It's a good thing everybody up top is dead, or in Fiona's case soon will be. Everyone needs a fresh start.

This mage rebellion was always without leadership or goal. The death of their Grand Enchanter changes nothing, especially since small groups of unassociated mages have always been a bigger threat.

[Lulupab]

Indeed, killing Fiona would actually make matters worse. Even if mages win she always wanted separation from Chantry, not another Tevinter. Another leader might want a Tevinter.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Things fall through the cracks in any system. This one is pretty damn effective. 

I can respond only with this.

 

If this system was effective i wouldn't have deal with ton of mess that system should clean and prevent every game.

[The Baconer]

Once the Order returns to the Chantry with the mages in tow then everything will be well.

 

I don't think so.

 

There's probably going to be a lot of skepticism regarding their integrity of character and competence.

[herkles]

I don't think so.

 

There's probably going to be a lot of skepticism regarding their integrity of character and competence.

 

do you think a new order might be created in additon to the templars?

[The Baconer]

do you think a new order might be created in additon to the templars?

 

Maybe, maybe not. I think either way their methods and training will be called into review.

[Lulupab]

Maybe, maybe not. I think either way their methods and training will be called into review.

 

aka a good ol spanking. At the very least.

[Master Warder Z_]

There's probably going to be a lot of skepticism regarding their integrity of character and competence.

 

Oh believe me that's a two way street.

 

I don't think any Templar will forget what happened at White Spire.

 

You know what with the Divine literally stabbing the order in the back.

[The Baconer]

Oh believe me that's a two way street.

 

I don't think any Templar will forget what happened at White Spire.

 

You know what with the Divine literally stabbing the order in the back.

 

The Divine is dead. I doubt any of the grand clerics will support her actions while the Chantry is on damage control.

 

Either way, whatever grievance the Templars might have will matter little to the people, especially those that have been personally affected by the war.

[herkles]

are we so sure that the divine is dead atm?

[The Baconer]

are we so sure that the divine is dead atm?

 

~95%

[Master Warder Z_]

The Divine is dead. I doubt any of the grand clerics will support her actions while the Chantry is on damage control.

 

Then i'd suggest both parties just letting the past lie where it does then.

 

The precursor to the war was pleasant for no one and if the Chantry doesn't press it, i don't see why it couldn't be a profitable relation for both parties again.

 

But the point being that the Chantry would have to accept the order back, if your assumption is correct then there should be no problems.

[The Baconer]

Then i'd suggest both parties just letting the past lie where it does then.

 

Then we'd just be going back to square one, which I doubt would satisfy the people they're serving (that is, the people of Thedas who'd be the ones calling for such a review) after this fubar.

[The Elder King]

Based on The previous discussions on this topic, as well as in this thread, I think a lot of people will be disappointed by The outcomes of The war, no matter the faction supported.

[Master Warder Z_]

Then we'd just be going back to square one, which I doubt would satisfy the people they're serving

 

Tough **** for them then.

 

ungrateful pricks.

 

The Order protects them for a thousand years and when it moves to do so again; they are condemned?