Tough **** for them then.
No, that's not how it works.
ungrateful pricks.
The Order protects them for a thousand years and when it moves to do so again; they are condemned?
It's what happens when one claims to have a standard of prestige and competence and then demonstrates that they possess neither.
No, that's not how it works.
It actually is.
If the Chantry accepts them back then the masses will have to get over it.
That's actually the benefit of Feudalistic society.
Its the time and era where you literally can tell folks: "Yes this is how its going to work, if you don't like it tough get back to plowing my fields before i have my knights behead your family."
It's what happens when one claims to have a standard of prestige and competence and then demonstrate that they have neither.
Mmm; i'd say you can't have it both ways Baconer if you don't think the Chantry will support the Divine's betrayal of the Order, then you cannot accept them leaving due to those actions as a betrayal.
@Master Warder Z: Are you sure it was quite like that?
Serfs were highly regarded as expensive property - and a local lord would seriously suffer if they just went around beheading their serfs.
In fact - I could see that kind of ultimatum as a schism between the secular lords and the Chantry.
The Templars should be a secular power anyway in my opinion. The defense of a fiefdom should be up to the lord - not the Chantry.
Has anyone thought about where the hell the Knight Vigilant or the Knights Divine are? Maybe we have an active schism in the Templars. (not just red Templar).
The Divine was actively seeking a cure for being made Tranquil, perhaps in part because certain Knight Commanders over did it. Justinia V was trying to find a new path and was thwarted. I want to know where the head of the Templar order is, and where the Divines personal Templar bodyguard are...and those loyal to them.
Lambert is (was...ambiguous) Lord Seeker, he called the Knight commanders to vote...14/15 voted with him.
It actually is.
If the Chantry accepts them back then the masses will have to get over it.
That's actually the benefit of Feudalistic society.
Its the time and era where you literally can tell folks: "Yes this is how its going to work, if you don't like it tough get back to plowing my fields before i have my knights behead your family."
It's not. Among the most outspoken will be the people the Chantry has to mind the most, the nobility. The Chantry's power relies on a collective acceptance of their legitimacy through the various kingdoms and land-owning individuals.
Mmm; i'd say you can't have it both ways Baconer if you don't think the Chantry will support the Divine's betrayal of the Order, then you cannot accept them leaving due to those actions as a betrayal.
Whether or not the Divine's actions are supported by the remaining clerics will most likely depend on what the Inquisitor does. Regardless, the fact is that the Templars decided to make a gamble and attempt to vindicate themselves, and they ****ed up in a rather exceptional manner.
The original split is only a minor issue, their actions (and the results they yielded) afterwards are the primary concern.
This mage rebellion was always without leadership or goal. The death of their Grand Enchanter changes nothing, especially since small groups of unassociated mages have always been a bigger threat.
That will make them easier to kill then. If they don't surrender, they'll die. That simple. If the Templars don't surrender, they'll die. They torn the world asunder enough. Play time is over.
It's not. Among the most outspoken will be the people the Chantry has to mind the most, the nobility.
Oh you mean the social class that several templars are related to members of?
Along with a few examples of being actual nobility themselves before giving up such titling?
Oh no Baconer you have me; The Chantry will certainly have to listen to griping.
Just...it will most likely be the exact opposite of what you expect.
Outraged noble 1:"You did WHAT to my brother in the spire?!"
Chantry Official: "Well you see child...the Divine ordered the mages liberated so your brother was slain because he was guarding a door they needed to go through..."
If the Templars don't surrender, they'll die.
They will cease to be a problem once the mages are dealt.
They only went to war because of mages.
I thought we had that conversation.
There really is no permanent issue with the templars remaining on strike as it were.
Oh you mean the social class that several templars are related to members of?
Along with a few examples of being actual nobility themselves before giving up such titling?
Individuals that exist among mages as well, but I doubt it'll matter as much as you're hoping it will.
Just...it will most likely be the exact opposite of what you expect.
Outraged noble 1:"You did WHAT to my brother in the spire?!"
Chantry Official: "Well you see child...the Divine ordered the mages liberated so your brother was slain because he was guarding a door they needed to go through..."
No, it won't.
Least of all will it resemble something like that.
No, it won't.
Least of all will it resemble something like that.
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You sure?
a Bann shouted down the Regent Loghain for a similar thing.
I mean why would a Grand Cleric or Mother be any different?
Why wouldn't they have to admit their own fault?
Because ultimately it comes down to this; the Mages only were able to rebel due to the Divine, the Templars only broke the order from the Chantry due to the Divine.
The majority of fault lies with the Chantry; all that happens afterwards falls upon the factions themselves, but the cause for war remains universal.
Ultimately i think the Templars will return to the church but it will tbe terms of their return that the PC impacts.
In a world like Thedas mages first and foremost should be seen as dangerous and unstable weapons first and as people second in my opinion. That being said a man/woman should always treat their weapons with the utmost care and discipline.
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You sure?
a Bann shouted down the Regent Loghain for a similar thing.
I mean why would a Grand Cleric or Mother be any different?
Why wouldn't they have to admit their own fault?
Because for every noble that can claim they knew or were related to a person who worked at the White Spire there are going to be a multitude who want answers for their subjects being molested, their lands rendered barren, their properties being damaged etc.
Because ultimately it comes down to this; the Mages only were able to rebel due to the Divine, the Templars only broke the order from the Chantry due to the Divine.
The majority of fault lies with the Chantry; all that happens afterwards falls upon the factions themselves, but the cause for war remains universal.
That's going to be the important part.
Because for every noble that can claim they knew or were related to a person who worked at the White Spire there are going to be a multitude who want answers for their subjects being molested, their lands rendered barren, their properties being damaged etc.
Eh...
The war actually seems pretty limited in scale to be honest.
Its for the most part taking place in barren worthless chunks of land.
save the Hinterlands i guess but that's Fereldan and no one important gives two figs about what they think.
That's going to be the important part.
We shall see.
The war actually seems pretty limited in scale to be honest.
Its for the most part taking place in barren worthless chunks of land.
This is fanon until proven otherwise. We have already seen that the Red Templars have a presence in multiple locations across the Dales, which is Orlesian territory.
This is fanon until proven otherwise. We have already seen that the Red Templars have a presence in multiple locations across the Dales, which is Orlesian territory.
The Red Templars only exist as a result of the Inquisitor supporting the Mages though, and aren't exactly exempliary of the fighting prior to this happening.
In a world like Thedas mages first and foremost should be seen as dangerous and unstable weapons first and as people second in my opinion. That being said a man/woman should always treat their weapons with the utmost care and discipline.
Mages most definitely should be viewed as people first. They ARE people. They are however also highly dangerous people. So we do what must be done, to make the best of a bad situation.
The Red Templars only exist as a result of the Inquisitor supporting the Mages though, and aren't exactly exempliary of the fighting prior to this happening.
I did not know this. Is this info from a recent source?
Still, one can hardly expect people to view such individuals sympathetically (when they appear), given how they choose to incriminate themselves...
I did not know this. Is this info from a recent source?
Still, one can hardly expect people to view such individuals sympathetically (when they appear), given how they choose to incriminate themselves...
I believe it was mentioned off-hand in one of the streams.
And no you can't, but by then I don't think the Red Templars will be associated with the Templars anymore (hence the new moniker).
I believe it was mentioned off-hand in one of the streams.
And no you can't, but by then I don't think the Red Templars will be associated with the Templars anymore (hence the new moniker).
No, the Red Temps existed already, I'm pretty sure. I believe though that the rebel templars will join them should the you side with the mages.
The Red Templars only exist as a result of the Inquisitor supporting the Mages though, and aren't exactly exempliary of the fighting prior to this happening.
How does that work with the after main story area (Emprise du Lion , scroll down) being were the Red Templars have set up shop?
No, the Red Temps existed already, I'm pretty sure. I believe though that the rebel templars will join them should the you side with the mages.
Eh semantics.. Either way the Red Templars aren't exactly associated with the Templar Order in general. The Red Templars are not part of the Mage-Templar war, just like the Venatori aren't either (the rebel mages joins the Venatori supposedly).
Eh semantics.. Either way the Red Templars aren't exactly associated with the Templar Order in general. The Red Templars are not part of the Mage-Templar war, just like the Venatori aren't either (the rebel mages joins the Venatori supposedly).
Oh I agree entirely. I see the Order and Red Temps as two entirely distinct enemies. At the very least, if I do end up siding with mages, as I have no clue at the moment if I will cause I'm still on the fence, I wonder if there would be a way to dissuade the rebel Templars from joining the Red Temps, and vice versa with the mages and Venatori.
Oh I agree entirely. I see the Order and Red Temps as two entirely distinct enemies. At the very least, if I do end up siding with mages, as I have no clue at the moment if I will cause I'm still on the fence, I wonder if there would be a way to dissuade the rebel Templars from joining the Red Temps, and vice versa with the mages and Venatori.
You aren't kiddin anyone Elu, you are gonna end up doing both ,since you fully intend on more than one playthrough 
Eh semantics.. Either way the Red Templars aren't exactly associated with the Templar Order in general. The Red Templars are not part of the Mage-Templar war, just like the Venatori aren't either (the rebel mages joins the Venatori supposedly).
They are certainly a separate faction, but their existence certainly has unfortunate implications for the Order in general.
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