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[Beerfish]

I am simply an envoy of Tevinter. I've journeyed here to enlighten you southern barbarians on how to effeciently counter dark magics. Collar me and you shall feel the sting of the Imperium's wrath. 

Hey have we got a deal for you.  We have just a whole truck load of malcontent mages around here and are willing to part with them at a very good price. What will you give us for them?  We get rid of a problem and you get fresh lower level mages and slaves to use for blood magic and to fight the Quanri whom we both hate.

[EmperorSahlertz]

They are certainly a separate faction, but their existence certainly has unfortunate implications for the Order in general.

Yes and no. It is of course never good PR to have members of your faction go rogue. However dealing with said rogue members yourself, is gonna be regarded favorably.

 

Of course, if you side with the mages, then the only "good" Templars left, will be the ones who joined the Inquisition along with Cassandra and Cullen, since the rest will join the Red Templars, and in that case bad rep doesn't really matter anymore.

[The Baconer]

Of course, if you side with the mages, then the only "good" Templars left, will be the ones who joined the Inquisition along with Cassandra and Cullen, since the rest will join the Red Templars, and in that case bad rep doesn't really matter anymore.

 

Assuming this is true, I think giving whatever faction you don't side with the Cerberus treatment speaks more ill of the writing than the factions themselves.

[MisterJB]

The Red Templars only exist as a result of the Inquisitor supporting the Mages though, and aren't exactly exempliary of the fighting prior to this happening.

 

Hmm? Really?
 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Assuming this is true, I think giving whatever faction you don't side with the Cerberus treatment speaks more ill of the writing than the factions themselves.

I wouldn't call it the Cerberus treatment, since you do get to hear the side of things, you do get to decide, and you can actually join them (or have them join you whatever). After you make that choice, you drive the opposition into desperation, which is also perfectly "reasonable" (storywise), and they seek allies in unsavory places.

[Hellion Rex]

You aren't kiddin anyone Elu, you are gonna end up doing both ,since you fully intend on more than one playthrough

Alas, you have seen through my ruse!

Nonetheless, I'm curious against to what benefits and consequences will entail for picking one side or the other, cause both look very tempting to me.

[Master Warder Z_]

This is fanon until proven otherwise. We have already seen that the Red Templars have a presence in multiple locations across the Dales, which is Orlesian territory.

 

Yeah...barren worthless territory.

[The Baconer]

Yeah...barren worthless territory.

 

Except it is literally neither barren or worthless (going by the uprising, and now the Civil War).

 

Let it go Z... let it wash over you.

[Hellion Rex]

I wouldn't call it the Cerberus treatment, since you do get to hear the side of things, you do get to decide, and you can actually join them (or have them join you whatever). After you make that choice, you drive the opposition into desperation, which is also perfectly "reasonable" (storywise), and they seek allies in unsavory places.

Ugh, if the mages would always be destined to join the Venatori, then for me, I find that is a point in the favor of siding with the Templars, for me. While the RTs are absolutely nuts, the mages would literally be helping the people that blew the Veil asunder, which I would not support under any circumstances, and in which case, I would purify their evil with my holy fire.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Ugh, if the mages would always be destined to join the Venatori, then for me, I find that is a point in the favor of siding with the Templars, for me. While the RTs are absolutely nuts, the mages would literally be helping the people that blew the Veil asunder, which I would not support under any circumstances, and in which case, I would purify their evil with my holy fire.

I think the Red Templars are also in the Elder One's pocket, so it isn't really a shining example of human decision making in either case.

[The Baconer]

I wouldn't call it the Cerberus treatment, since you do get to hear the side of things, you do get to decide, and you can actually join them (or have them join you whatever). After you make that choice, you drive the opposition into desperation, which is also perfectly "reasonable" (storywise), and they seek allies in unsavory places.

 

The Venatori are a doomsday cult. Sounds less like reason and more like Cerberus.

[Hellion Rex]

I think the Red Templars are also in the Elder One's pocket, so it isn't really a shining example of human decision making in either case.

I have a bigger grudge against the mages though for picking the Venatori. The RTs are also being corrupted heavily by the red lyrium, which makes them a bit more..."sympathetic" to me. Hard for me to describe.

[Milan92]

I have a bigger grudge against the mages though for picking the Venatori. The RTs are also being corrupted heavily by the red lyrium, which makes them a bit more..."sympathetic" to me. Hard for me to describe.

 

They are high on crack.

 

The mages aren't.

[Lulupab]

I have a bigger grudge against the mages though for picking the Venatori. The RTs are also being corrupted heavily by the red lyrium, which makes them a bit more..."sympathetic" to me. Hard for me to describe.

 

Really, is siding with Venatori worse than blood magic and demonic possession? They are people nonetheless, no corruption of any sort, at least none that we know of.

[herkles]

I have a bigger grudge against the mages though for picking the Venatori. The RTs are also being corrupted heavily by the red lyrium, which makes them a bit more..."sympathetic" to me. Hard for me to describe.

 

basically the mages are knowingly choosing evil while the red templars are drugged out insane and thus not as knowingly choosing evil?

[MisterJB]

I remember when the Red Templars were first announced proposing the idea that siding with the mages or Templars would lead the other group into desperate actions like taking Red Lyrium but I never, for a second, thought there were any chances of that making it into the game.

[Br3admax]

Eh semantics.. Either way the Red Templars aren't exactly associated with the Templar Order in general. The Red Templars are not part of the Mage-Templar war, just like the Venatori aren't either (the rebel mages joins the Venatori supposedly).

One of the dumbest parts of the plot so far. 

[Lulupab]

basically the mages are knowingly choosing evil while the red templars are drugged out insane and thus not as knowingly choosing evil?

 

The Templar order is a faction, they can leave and no one would notice anything. The mages cannot "leave" because they are born that way. You have to consider this as well. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Venatori are a doomsday cult. Sounds less like reason and more like Cerberus.

Not exactly. It is not like they want existence to cease. They want to tear the veil, and create a "better world".

 

I have a bigger grudge against the mages though for picking the Venatori. The RTs are also being corrupted heavily by the red lyrium, which makes them a bit more..."sympathetic" to me. Hard for me to describe.

I get it. At least when we look at it with the information we've got. However, if the Red Templars take the Red Lyrium fully knowing what will happen to them, my sympathy for them will dwindle. Quickly.

[A Clever Name]

Ugh, if the mages would always be destined to join the Venatori, then for me, I find that is a point in the favor of siding with the Templars, for me. While the RTs are absolutely nuts, the mages would literally be helping the people that blew the Veil asunder, which I would not support under any circumstances, and in which case, I would purify their evil with my holy fire.

Uhh...source?  I don't recall this being confirmed...and it sounds like something I would like to know about the Venatori.

 

Luckily this is all speculation and I can just sit around and wait for the game to tell me which side will join with other factions.  Although I am inclined to believe that there will be no such siding for both the mages and the Templars with the Venatori and the Red Templars, respectively.  The Mage-Templar War has been stated early on by BioWare to be resolvable before even the main plot line, so I don't personally think the mages would possess the capability for such a heavy intertwining with the Venatori, who are - as far as we are aware - involved in the main plot and not the Mage-Templar War, which seems to be a separate story line altogether.

[john-in-france]

The Red Templars only exist as a result of the Inquisitor supporting the Mages though, and aren't exactly exempliary of the fighting prior to this happening.

 

But my inquisitor doesn't support the mages...now explain why Red Templar still exist....?

[Hellion Rex]

Really, is siding with Venatori worse than blood magic and demonic possession? They are people nonetheless, no corruption of any sort, at least none that we know of.

You're joking right? I find it even worse since the Venatori are actively working to damn the world.

[Hellion Rex]

Really, is siding with Venatori worse than blood magic and demonic possession? They are people nonetheless, no corruption of any sort, at least none that we know of.

You're joking right? I find it even worse since the Venatori are actively working to damn the world. Desperation be damned.

[Br3admax]

Uhh...source?  I don't recall this being confirmed...and it sounds like something I would like to know about the Venatori.

You serious? 

[john-in-france]

I think some of this discussion actually requires playing of DAI...because fan headcanon can be hilariously...wrong!