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[Br3admax]

Devs' comments during a stream aren't headcanon. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Except it is literally neither barren or worthless (going by the uprising, and now the Civil War).

 

Let it go Z... let it wash over you.

 

But it's stated repeatedly in the lore the Dales for the most are inhospitable rocky worthless land.

 

Its only viable for farming along its coastal regions.

 

And i'd assume if there were any worth while minerals buried there, there would be a mention or two of mining interests.

 

The dales apart from tactical importance in its location is from what i can gather pretty much the most worthless bit of territory Orlais ever acquired.

[A Clever Name]

You serious? 

I wouldn't have asked if I didn't know where to find the source for this information.  Plausible speculation based on what we have is fine and well, but I sort of appreciate having legitimate, tangible evidence for people's points of information.  I certainly would be inclined to believe it were the case, as it were.

[The Hierophant]

The Templar order is a faction, they can leave and no one would notice anything. The mages cannot "leave" because they are born that way. You have to consider this as well.

A mage not having a choice in being born with magic is incomparable to one who chooses to join a kool-aid drinking cult.

[Lulupab]

You're joking right? I find it even worse since the Venatori are actively working to damn the world. Desperation be damned.

 

The Templars can put down their swords and leave the faction. There, they are no longer Templars and at worst you have a bunch of addicts that can take refuge in sanitarium or continue taking Lyrium till they die. Knowing this they knowingly take red Lyrium.

 

On the other hand you have mages who cannot stop being mages, they will be hunted and killed or turned tranquil regardless of anything. I'm not saying they should join the Venatori but the desperation of mages is so much more understandable than Templars. I think pretty much everyone agrees with this.

[The Elder King]

I didn't know that if you side with either mages or templars The remains of The other faction join The venatori and The red templars. That's beyond moronic on their part (mages and templars, not Bioware).
It won't influence my decision though, since I'm not using external information for deciding.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Templars can put down their swords and leave the faction. There, they are no longer Templars and at worst you have a bunch of addicts that can take refuge in sanitarium or continue taking Lyrium till they die. Knowing this they knowingly take red Lyrium.

 

On the other hand you have mages who cannot stop being mages, they will be hunted and killed or turned tranquil regardless of anything. I'm not saying they should join the Venatori but the desperation of mages is so much more understandable than Templars. I think pretty much everyone agrees with this.

They could surrender.

[Br3admax]

I wouldn't have asked if I didn't know where to find the source for this information.  Plausible speculation based on what we have is fine and well, but I sort of appreciate having legitimate, tangible evidence for people's points of information.  I certainly would be inclined to believe it were the case, as it were.

The Venatori being behind the Breach has been known since E3. 

[john-in-france]

Devs' comments during a stream aren't headcanon. 

 

I've watched all the streams, and yes Alexius being behind the original breach is confirmed, but in cahoots with the mage rebellion has not. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I think pretty much everyone agrees with this.

 

I don't.

 

Honestly i don't see it at all.

 

Mages have the responsibility that comes with being mages, they have to accept the conditions that society will place on them.

[The Elder King]

The Templars can put down their swords and leave the faction. There, they are no longer Templars and at worst you have a bunch of addicts that can take refuge in sanitarium or continue taking Lyrium till they die. Knowing this they knowingly take red Lyrium.
 
On the other hand you have mages who cannot stop being mages, they will be hunted and killed or turned tranquil regardless of anything. I'm not saying they should join the Venatori but the desperation of mages is so much more understandable than Templars. I think pretty much everyone agrees with this.

Normal templars can't stop being one. Lyrium isn't easy to find, and cost a lot. If they left, there won't be any 'Sanitarium' to help them that will give Them lyrium. They'll end as beggars.
Going on RL is moronic, but that's another point.

[Br3admax]

I've watched all the streams, and yes Alexius being behind the original breach is confirmed, but in cahoots with the mage rebellion has not. 

The devs said the mages would join them, not the other way around. 

[Milan92]

Normal templars can't stop being one. Lyrium isn't easy to find, and cost a lot. If they left, there won't be any 'Sanitarium' to help them that will give Them lyrium. They'll end as beggars.
Going on RL is moronic, but that's another point.

 

Those poor people

 

Now I feel obligated to support the templars.

[Br3admax]

 I think pretty much everyone agrees with this.

Not really. Mages running amuck and helping the people trying to destroy the Veil and unleash demons onto the world is not more understandable than joining the group that is trying to murder people randomly because they're insane. Both have the same result. The difference being the Templars will die without lyrium. The mages will go on living if they join the Venatori or not. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Those poor people

 

Now I feel obligated to support the templars.

Don't support the Templars for the Templars' sake. Do it for the world's sake. That is the main difference between aiding the Templars, and aiding the mages.

[Lulupab]

The Venatori being behind the Breach has been known since E3.

 
Do we know their surrender will be accepted? I bet most of them will be made example of, no? If a peaceful surrender is possible and they join Venatori then yes we have a serious problem here.
 

I don't.
 
Honestly i don't see it at all.
 
Mages have the responsibility that comes with being mages, they have to accept the conditions that society will place on them.

 
This is not about the conditions of society, its a desperation act with death or tranquility as alternative.
 

Normal templars can't stop being one. Lyrium isn't easy to find, and cost a lot. If they left, there won't be any 'Sanitarium' to help them that will give Them lyrium. They'll end as beggars.
Going on RL is moronic, but that's another point.

 
Well in DA2 there is a mention of Sanitarium Bartrand goes to if spared, I don't see why Templars can't go to such places

[john-in-france]

Not in the E3 stream they didn't. They said that getting to the Venatori at Redcliffe was part of the Mage path, not that the mages colluded with the Venatori...they could just be pointing the finger. Besides Fiona is soooo trustworthy....Grey Wardens compromised....cough.

[MisterJB]

The Templar order is a faction, they can leave and no one would notice anything. The mages cannot "leave" because they are born that way. You have to consider this as well. 

Lyrium addiction.

[The Baconer]

Not exactly. It is not like they want existence to cease. They want to tear the veil, and create a "better world".

 

Their existence will cease, which in many ways defeats the purpose of their original rebellion. Even worse than Cerberus, in that aspect.

 

 

But it's stated repeatedly in the lore the Dales for the most are inhospitable rocky worthless land.

 

Its only viable for farming along its coastal regions.

 

And i'd assume if there were any worth while minerals buried there, there would be a mention or two of mining interests.

 

The dales apart from tactical importance in its location is from what i can gather pretty much the most worthless bit of territory Orlais ever acquired.

 

With one of the Red Templar holdings being in one of these areas of strategic and ecologic importance, and then there's the more remote Emprise du Lion. It's an area as varied as it is large. 

 

The dales apart from tactical importance in its location is from what i can gather pretty much the most worthless bit of territory Orlais ever acquired.

 

Western Approach.

[Lulupab]

Lyrium addiction.

 

What do you think will happen to mages then? What happened to "the people will demand retribution" and "they must be made example of". 

[Br3admax]

Not in the E3 stream they didn't. They said that getting to the Venatori at Redcliffe was part of the Mage path, not that the mages colluded with the Venatori...they could just be pointing the finger. Besides Fiona is soooo trustworthy....Grey Wardens compromised....cough.

What are you talking about? We said that if we side with the Templars, they'll join the Venatori. 

[john-in-france]

Got to take that one up with Cassandra, maybe we can unhook loyal Templar using the Seeker method.

[Master Warder Z_]

 This is not about the conditions of society, its a desperation act with death or tranquility as alternative.

 

And?

 

That is the reward society will grant them for their rebellion.

 

And from the blood and ashes new circles will rise.

[Br3admax]

 
Do we know their surrender will be accepted? I bet most of them will be made example of, no? If a peaceful surrender is possible and they join Venatori then yes we have a serious problem here.

How do you know they will surrender? They certainly didn't want to give up ONE person before. I doubt they'll go home now. They brought this on themselves. 

[john-in-france]

What are you talking about? We said that if we side with the Templars, they'll join the Venatori. 

 

That is fan canon.

 

The head of the present mage rebellion is Fiona, a Grey Warden, compromised by Corypheus...we don't know if she'll side with the Venatori. That is assumption on your behalf.

 

The E3 stream did not talk about anything other than Alexius, the original breach and that following the Mage power path proposed by Leliana led to that point.