Debatable. Remember how Lambert was able to dispell Cole's "invisibility" with it.
That was a mind control spell in progress. Cole was actively concentrating on diverting Lambert away from him. I remember it specifically, because Rhys mentions that Cole had his eyes closed and the spirit's nose was bleeding.
The "invisibility" is just mind control to divert a person's attention away from your location.
Cole was not invisible even, he was constantly channeling blood magic to trick the minds he is not actually there.
That was a mind control spell in progress. Cole was actively concentrating on diverting Lambert away from him. I remember it specifically, because Rhys mentions that Cole had his eyes closed and the spirit's nose was bleeding.
The "invisibility" is just mind control to divert a person's attention away from your location.
I know, which was why I used it as an example. Of course, if it was in progress it doesn't disprove what you said.
The point of the game is that everyone else is too busy killing each others to deal with the problem. This gave me the impression that with sufficient manpower (aka templars/mages) others could also close the Breach and the rifts. Probably not as easily as waving their left hand around, but still possible.
The point of the game is the Inquisitor is the only one that can close the rifts. That's kind of the basis of the entire plot. No one's going to actively let demons poor out near their base of operations. :\
The Litany does not counter blood magic, nor is it impossible to resist it in the first place. The problem is that you CANNOT cut a blood mage off from his resource, like you can normal mages, and as such there is no way to counter them.
And we are saying, that logically speaking, during the many millenia magical research has taken place, that SOMEONE at some time, tried the very thing you are glamouring for, and concluded that it could not be done.
We encountered Veil Tears THREE times in total. In the basement of Kinloch Hold, in the Blackmarsh, and at Warden's Keep. ALL these locations had unique circumstances connected to them. Veil Tears ARE rare. That is the cold hard lore saying so. Just because our warden is (un)lucky enough to run into them multiple times does not prove otherwise.
The Litany only counters a subset of blood magic (mind control spells) and it's only able to disrupt the casting of those spells too.
So creating classes for mages/templars like defense against blood magic similar to the defense against the dark arts in harry potter would be impossible?
Yes! And that's the problem! Someone concluded it could not be done and then the mage society collectively seems to have... given up. But just because one group hasn't found the answer doesn't mean something is impossible.
Over several MILLENIA it has been concluded that it is impossible. If something hasn't advanced in several thousand years, then there is a fair chance that it is simply impossible.
Every time we encounter undead, demons or even sylvan without mages to summon them, we're encountering Veil tears. Small ones, but tears nonetheless.
Given that we encounter them a lot, tears are common.
Ah.. I see what is going on here.. You have a severe misunderstanding of the lore..
No. Whenver we encounter undeads, sylvans, demons and the like, there is NOT necessarily a tear in the Veil. What has actually happened is a WEAKENED Veil, which is a very different thing.
Over several MILLENIA it has been concluded that it is impossible. If something hasn't advanced in several thousand years, then there is a fair chance that it is simply impossible.
For all we know the tevinters of old could do so. but we are basically in the dark ages of magic development and research and lot of knowledge is lot we no signs of recovering anytime soon.
For all we know the tevinters of old could do so. but we are basically in the dark ages of magic development and research and lot of knowledge is lot we no signs of recovering anytime soon.
Or, more likely, they may have studied it, and come to the conclusion that it simply can't be done. We are talking several millenia, during which there havn't really been any magical advances. If something stagnates for several thousands years, it means it has reached its appex. There is no way to prevent Veil tears. It is a natural phenomena (that can be artificially created). To try and prevent it from ever happening, would be as futile as (and potentially dangerous) as preventing rain.
And why would Tevinter have lost this method, or why they didn't found it again? They have full freedom in researching magical stuff. Also, in Rivain and Nevarra mages aren't that restricted.For all we know the tevinters of old could do so. but we are basically in the dark ages of magic development and research and lot of knowledge is lot we no signs of recovering anytime soon.
Over several MILLENIA it has been concluded that it is impossible. If something hasn't advanced in several thousand years, then there is a fair chance that it is simply impossible.
Ah.. I see what is going on here.. You have a severe misunderstanding of the lore..
No. Whenver we encounter undeads, sylvans, demons and the like, there is NOT necessarily a tear in the Veil. What has actually happened is a WEAKENED Veil, which is a very different thing.
Nnno, that is what a Veil tear is. A weakness in the metaphysical barrier that lets beings of the fade pass into the physical realm. The words "weak veil" are literally used in the codex entry titled "Tears in the veil." Jowan describes the process of Connor getting possessed and demons possessing corpses as starting with him having torn the Veil as well, at Soldier's Peak the Veil was called both weak and torn in equal measure, the list goes on and on.
See, the Veil is a metaphysical concept. A tear in a physical object is a zero-sum state, either something is torn or not. But for a metaphysical concept, a tear is not a physical presence. "The veil is weak" and "the veil is torn" are both equally apt explanations to describe a concept that has no physical presence.
There's a reason why the breaches in Inquisition we encounter are fade rifts. They're a different thing from tears in the Veil, actually bridging the concepts of a physical and metaphysical realm to the point where the gateway between the two becomes a physical thing.
No...... A Veil Tear is LITERALLY a friggin whole in the Veil, where demons can pass through freely. A weakened Veil on the other hand, is something that naturally happens. For instance every night on Thedas the Veil weakens. However, it also happens in places of great death and destruction, such as battlefields. In these places the Veil is constantly weakened (as contrary to the temporary weakened Veil at nighttime). Sometimes the Veil weakens so much, that a literal tear in it appears.
We only encounter this THREE times, and that still does not make them common. It makes the Warden exceptionally unlucky. By the lore, tears in the veil are rare.
The codex entry on Veil tears specifically states that "Studies of the Veil have never been thorough." Thedas being in a scientific deadlock has little to do with things being impossible. They haven't figured out gunpowder yet either, but that hasn't stopped the Qunari. And the rite of tranquillity has only been found to be reversible in the last year or so, despite it being in use for centuries.
Thedas just doesn't do a lot of scientific research, but that doesn't make the things people have declared impossible, impossible. Hell, we actually do fix Veil tears on several occasions in the game.
And hat codex entry is from a First Enchanter from the Circle of Magi, which we know faces restrictions on their magical research.
No...... A Veil Tear is LITERALLY a friggin whole in the Veil, where demons can pass through freely. A weakened Veil on the other hand, is something that naturally happens. For instance every night on Thedas the Veil weakens. However, it also happens in places of great death and destruction, such as battlefields. In these places the Veil is constantly weakened (as contrary to the temporary weakened Veil at nighttime). Sometimes the Veil weakens so much, that a literal tear in it appears.
We only encounter this THREE times, and that still does not make them common. It makes the Warden exceptionally unlucky. By the lore, tears in the veil are rare.
And hat codex entry is from a First Enchanter from the Circle of Magi, which we know faces restrictions on their magical research.
Again, "The veil is weak here" and "The veil is torn here" is used alongside eachother to describe an exact same event all the time in Origins. This shows the terms mean the same thing.
...no they're not. Kirkwall has a weak veil, making demonic temptation more apparent and spiritual possession more easy. Soldier's Peak had the Veil torn, which means demons could cross over, without a host, without the need to possess.
So NO, they don't mean the same thing.
Again, "The veil is weak here" and "The veil is torn here" is used alongside eachother to describe an exact same event all the time in Origins. This shows the terms mean the same thing.
No.... No... No no no no.... Apparently this is a hard concept.... The Veil has to be weakened BEFORE it can tear. ARe you with me? Weakened, then torn. The tearing happens when a demon finally breaks through the weakened Veil, and it leaves behind a literal opening, from which other demons can follow. A weakened Veil, allows for demons to possess objects and persons more readily, but they cannot enter physically.
Which means study on Veil is limited, making any conclusion that just because it's been a thousand years and nobody's found an answer yet, it must be impossible to do a ridiculous conclusion to reach. Which was my initial point.
No. It means it is limited in Southeren Thedas. Tevinter faces no such limitation, and they have stood for several thousand years, and come up with nothing. Meaning that for us, who are all ignorant on the matter, to come to the conclusion, that if something havn't been developed by now, there probably aren't ever going to be.
The principle the Templar Order was originally founded upon was pure -- protection.
It has many definitions:
Sadly, the Order has fallen from the ideal it was founded upon. Most templars seek to put down the mage rebellion before they could potentially restore the Tevinter Imperium's power in Southern Thedas (at least from their Point-of-View). Other believe that the Order had lost its way, seeking to join the rebels or the Grey Wardens to uphold those beliefs (Read Asunder and Last Flight).
When Inquisition comes out, I will try to create peace between the two sides and unite them under my banner in the hopes of creating a lasting peace.If I can, I would cast out fanatic Templars who think that claiming to be doing the Maker's work justifies abusing their charges or authority.
Technically the Tempalr Order was founded upon the principle of compromise.
The Inquisition hunted any and all mages who weren't in the Chantry's fold. The mages wanted to be able to learn and practice their skills.
The Circles and the Templar Order was formed as a compromise between the two.
As happy as I am that siding with the Templars has been confirmed, there are some things in this trailer that leave me in doubt.
First, the mage presented as representative of the mage faction was found in a dungeon crawling with Red Lyrium; also the fact she is a petite female makes one think of innocence and harmlessness.
Meanwhile, one of the Templars (the one on the left) of the group presented as a representative of the Templars faction appears to be in the early stages of Red Lyrium usage himself. Meanwhile, the one in the centre looks shifty as ****.
I wonder if that was Fiona.
Mage: Check
Female: Check.
Elf: Check
Black hair: check.
Meanwhile, one of the Templars (the one on the left) of the group presented as a representative of the Templars faction appears to be in the early stages of Red Lyrium usage himself. Meanwhile, the one in the centre looks shifty as ****.
I hope those are not the Templars you'd end up allying with, or how am I supposed to ever reasonably side with them? Red Lyrium junkies make for an awful first impression.
Of course, at this rate I bet the mages will come at you with something just as bad.
Precisely. It would be a really big **** you if the only Templars we can side with are DAI's Karras.
Hopefully the templars will be represented by people like knight-commander Gregor from DA:O.
Haha it's on their facebook too. Even worse because they cropped the more respectable looking one out.
This is what Bioware wants you to think of when you hear the name Templar
This **** better be unintentional.
This **** better be unintentional.
Of course it's intentional. Templars aren't even close to being as Socially Just as mages...
That's why they have to look like obvious villains......
They look better here but that shifty one is still around and I don't know about you fellas, but I wouldn't leave Bethany alone with him.
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