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[Dark Helmet]

Once, Ser Alrik approached Shifty Templar and asked him to join him in his attempt to make all mages Tranquil and Shifty Templar answered:

"Hast thou forgotten thy vows? I shall report thee to the Knight Commander!"

 

But just as Shifty Templar was rushing to do so, he noticed an orphanage on fire. Unconcerned for his own safety, Shifty Templar rushed.

Unfortunately, just as he was done saving all of the children, Shifty Templar was struck by a falling beam which left him in a coma. When he woke up, Alrik had already been killed by Hawke.

 

Shifty Templar is the hero Thedas needs.

 

Shifty Templar is the hero Hawke should have been.

[The Elder King]

Well, it wouldn't make them look much better in my eyes either way.

  
Because it'd make Them look incompetent?

I just hope there will a possibility to make them to make peace exactly like the Geths and the Quarians in ME3.

It won't happen, I think. Gaider didn't like much The third choice in the quarians-geth plot.

Also, I still stick with My theory that the RT is a Sort of Spy. We saw different templars with The Shifty templar and there's only one with The red glow.

[The Baconer]

Not really since the Red Templar are not affiliated with the main Templar group, the a splinter group.

Comparing them to regular Templars is like comparing Tevinter mages to regular mages.

 

No, it'd be like comparing regular mages to maleficar or abominations.

 

 

Because it'd make Them look incompetent?

 

They are incompetent, but the picture makes it look rather gratuitously so.

[Br3admax]

I'd side with him over that mage. The mages already look like they're about to preach on how special and oppressed they are.

[Dark Helmet]

 

 

Damn, Shifty Templar looks one snort away from turning into a Rock Wraith.

 

 

Wrong good sir! Shifty Templar is the fellow in the middle.

[Keroko]

As happy as I am that siding with the Templars has been confirmed, there are some things in this trailer that leave me in doubt.

First, the mage presented as representative of the mage faction was found in a dungeon crawling with Red Lyrium; also the fact she is a petite female makes one think of innocence and harmlessness.
Meanwhile, one of the Templars (the one on the left) of the group presented as a representative of the Templars faction appears to be in the early stages of Red Lyrium usage himself. Meanwhile, the one in the centre looks shifty as ****.

I wonder if that was Fiona.
Mage: Check
Female: Check.
Elf: Check
Black hair: check.

Wonder if that means she goes banana's like Meredith did?

Oh, how poetic that would be.

I just hope there will a possibility to make them to make peace exactly like the Geths and the Quarians in ME3.

Yick, no. A conflict almost a thousand years in the making shouldn't be resolved in a matter of hours and have everyone working together with super-awesome TRUST and FRIENDSHIP!

I just hope siding with the templars won't be the "evil" choice.

Wrong good sir! Shifty Templar is the fellow in the middle.

What? Nonsense! Look, he's even smiling! Who would you call a smiling man shifty?

[Heimdall]

Because it'd make Them look incompetent? It won't happen, I think. Gaider didn't like much The third choice in the quarians-geth plot.

I'm pretty sure he also said he regretted the Circle option in the Connor situation. So yeah, I doubt we'll have a solution like that.

[raging_monkey]

I'm pretty sure he also said he regretted the Circle option in the Connor situation. So yeah, I doubt we'll have a solution like that.

gaider is grim like super grim lol

[Keroko]

gaider is grim like super grim lol

Well, it's more that from a standpoint of choice, the existence of the Circle choice renders all other choices as worse.

Without the Circle choice, you have to choose between sacrificing Isolde or killing Connor. Either way, someone dies. With the Circle option though, nobody dies. Which makes it the best option to take and the only reason for taking the other options is "because the evulz."

It also has a side-effect of forcing the choice of Broken Circle. No Circle, no Circle option for Redcliffe. Siding with the mages in Broken Circle is therefore a must if you want to achieve the "best" ending.

[raging_monkey]

Well, it's more that from a standpoint of choice, the existence of the Circle choice renders all other choices as worse.Without the Circle choice, you have to choose between sacrificing Isolde or killing Connor. Either way, someone dies. With the Circle option though, nobody dies. Which makes it the best option to take and the only reason for taking the other options is "because the evulz."It also has a side-effect of forcing the choice of Broken Circle. No Circle, no Circle option for Redcliffe. Siding with the mages in Broken Circle is therefore a must if you want to achieve the "best" ending.

fair point

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, it's more that from a standpoint of choice, the existence of the Circle choice renders all other choices as worse.

Without the Circle choice, you have to choose between sacrificing Isolde or killing Connor. Either way, someone dies. With the Circle option though, nobody dies. Which makes it the best option to take and the only reason for taking the other options is "because the evulz."

It also has a side-effect of forcing the choice of Broken Circle. No Circle, no Circle option for Redcliffe. Siding with the mages in Broken Circle is therefore a must if you want to achieve the "best" ending.

Not rly "because the evulz" (unless you wish play that way) if you rp and/or didn't read guide you pretty have to risk with circle so either you take risk what in that case paid off or or you don't want take the risk and kill connor optionally you can use jowan if you have him at this point. If you play first time you don't know outcome and in every case your character don't know outcome of your choice.

 

It is also good that you are provided with extra choice depending on what you did in another part of the game im ok with that it is nice to know that choices have at least some effect on other part of the game. 

[Keroko]

Not rly "because the evulz" (unless you wish play that way) if you rp and/or didn't read guide you pretty have to risk with circle so either you take risk what in that case paid off or or you don't want take the risk and kill connor optionally you can use jowan if you have him at this point. If you play first time you don't know outcome and in every case your character don't know outcome of your choice.
 
It is also good that you are provided with extra choice depending on what you did in another part of the game im ok with that it is nice to know that choices have at least some effect on other part of the game.

Oh, I know. In fact my pragmatic Warden had done Broken Circle long before Redcliffe and so went "Uhh, oops" when the situation was brought forward.

But that's the point: The fact that there was an answer that involved nobody dying (because if you recall, "using Jowan" means that Isolde dies) actually made me bite my lip and wonder if I should go back and redo Broken Circle. I didn't, because A: consequences and B: screw doing the Fade again, but the temptation was there.

Because really, unless you RP a scumbag ("for the evulz") there is no RP reason to not go for the Circle option if you have it.

[The Baconer]

Because really, unless you RP a scumbag ("for the evulz") there is no RP reason to not go for the Circle option if you have it.

 

Metagaming reasons you mean. For the sake of roleplaying, how is the Warden supposed to know (or even believe) that the situation in Redcliffe would stay under control for the period it would take to travel to and from the Circle?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh, I know. In fact my pragmatic Warden had done Broken Circle long before Redcliffe and so went "Uhh, oops" when the situation was brought forward.

But that's the point: The fact that there was an answer that involved nobody dying (because if you recall, "using Jowan" means that Isolde dies) actually made me bite my lip and wonder if I should go back and redo Broken Circle.

Because really, unless you RP a scumbag ("for the evulz") there is no RP reason to not go for the Circle option if you have it.

There is pretty much at the beginning of the circle route in redcliff you are informed that connor may not wait pleasantly for your return and it may end badly so practically your character have either gamble or go with more secure solution.

Of course you can play douchebag even kind of duchebag that saves connor just because he will profit from it there is a lot options to rp there.

[KingTony]

I would LOVE if Shifty Templar actually turns out to be a Paragon of all the Order should stand for, despite looking slimy and weaselly.

[Keroko]

Metagaming reasons you mean. For the sake of roleplaying, how is the Warden supposed to know (or even believe) that the situation in Redcliffe would stay under control for the period it would take to travel to and from the Circle?

Hmmpoint.

'course, the main point for the player still remains: The Circle option makes all other choices the worse ones. Like the Quarian/Geth peace, it's still an easy way out for what is otherwise a far more difficult moral choice.

I remember many, many debates on the kill Geth/rewrite Geth option and the moralities behind it. But when ME3 came around, the vast majority of the people I debated it went "Yeah, killing is better. Gives you the biggest odds for the peace option." The choice that had people debating for months had suddenly become easier because it had lead to a cop-out in what should have been one of the hardest choices in ME3.

Which is why I hope they'll avoid something similar in Inquisition, and write the templars to have some damned good points and siding with the mages resulting in some questionable consequences, so that both sides have their own ups and downs when you choose them.

[Br3admax]

Lol@killingIsoldeisadifficultchoice

[Keroko]

Lol@killingIsoldeisadifficultchoice

For me? No. Thinking beyond myself though? Eamon is going to lose both his wife and his son. That is going to hit the man hard. By killing Connor, he at least has his wife to share his grief.

[Br3admax]

Eamon isn't ruling Redcliffe during the incident and Tegan shows all signs of taking over soon. It's nowhere near that important to anyone in the long run besides the family itself, and they don't come before the Blight. 

[Keroko]

Eamon isn't ruling Redcliffe during the incident and Tegan shows all signs of taking over soon. It's nowhere near that important to anyone in the long run besides the family itself, and they don't come before the Blight.

And there is the moral debate we could have been having.

[Senya]

If we have to choose, I definitely don't want the Templars to be the "evil" choice.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hmmpoint.

'course, the main point for the player still remains: The Circle option makes all other choices the worse ones. Like the Quarian/Geth peace, it's still an easy way out for what is otherwise a far more difficult moral choice.

I remember many, many debates on the kill Geth/rewrite Geth option and the moralities behind it. But when ME3 came around, the vast majority of the people I debated it went "Yeah, killing is better. Gives you the biggest odds for the peace option." The choice that had people debating for months had suddenly become easier because it had lead to a cop-out in what should have been one of the hardest choices in ME3.

Which is why I hope they'll avoid something similar in Inquisition, and write the templars to have some damned good points and siding with the mages resulting in some questionable consequences, so that both sides have their own ups and downs when you choose them.

To be honest i don't rly want choices for sake being dark if i will gain ally i would like to use him and get better outcome for example if i will recruit templars i would like to use them against demons or venatori to get better outcome as without them because i have specialized people in such tasks.

 

Choice in broken circle requires you to gamble as well and put question if you are willing to risk and spare mages or take safe but not nice solution.

 

However im not big fan idea of peace between the templars and mages i wouldn't mind such option for peoples who want pursuit it even if that fails also i hope it will give us more options than side with mages or side with templars.

[Sir DeLoria]

The Templar Order is love, the Templar Order is life.