And there is the moral debate we could have been having.
Morally, Isolde is Orlesian and therefore awful. Not to mention her speaking kills more than any demon ever could. Even not considering that, killing a child is worse than killing a grown woman, if ever so slightly. There's no way to win this, man.
Morally, Isolde is Orlesian and therefore awful. Not to mention her speaking kills more than any demon ever could. Even not considering that, killing a child is worse than killing a grown woman, if ever so slightly. There's no way to win this, man.
WHO
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TEAGON?
Bring back Ser Bryant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(he totally survived Lothering in my headcanon)
Morally, Isolde is Orlesian and therefore awful. Not to mention her speaking kills more than any demon ever could. Even not considering that, killing a child is worse than killing a grown woman, if ever so slightly. There's no way to win this, man.
Not with "Why not just save them both with the Circle?" as an answer, no.
Cus you don't know if it will work and if you will try to do that everyone in redcliff won't be killed by demon?
Pretty much same logic that can be used with mages "better safe than sorry".
Cus you don't know if it will work and if you will try to do that everyone in redcliff won't be killed by demon?
Pretty much same logic that can be used with mages "better safe than sorry".
Not with "Why not just save them both with the Circle?" as an answer, no.
That was not even taken into consideration. The scenario implied this wasn't even on the table.
That was not even taken into consideration. The scenario implied this wasn't even on the table.
Wrong good sir! Shifty Templar is the fellow in the middle.
It is understandable. Shifty Templar seeks neither accolades nor glory. His only reward is the safety of all of the people of Thedas.
And that's my point. Without the Circle option, there is an interesting conflict as to what is the best choice. With the Circle option, that is no longer a question.
I mean, how many people in the keep chose anything but the Circle option here?
And what I'm saying, is that anyone who doesn't jump at the chance to kill Isolde is cray. Not sure why you don't get that.
Hmmpoint.
'course, the main point for the player still remains: The Circle option makes all other choices the worse ones. Like the Quarian/Geth peace, it's still an easy way out for what is otherwise a far more difficult moral choice.
I agree.
However, I think the Mage/Templar conflict is a completely different situation with completely different implications. I have no idea how it's going to pan out in game, or the character of the individuals we will be collaborating with, but at the moment it looks less like a difficult moral choice and more "flip a coin, either way you're working with sh*tty people".
Sure. I was debating more from a meta point of view, though.
From meta perspective if you removed circle route most peoples would simple kill isolde saying "bi*** deserved that" not mention most peoples have "killing child is bad" mentality so well that is morally "difficult" choice.So it would end smiliar to ashes choice that destroying ashes seen as evil choice by most on this forum despite you can have good reasons for doing that.
Respectable looking Templars. See, it's not so hard.
@Keroko: In my original playthru - I chose to enter the Fade as a mage and fight the demon. I don't read spoilers on a first playthru and I try to play the game as if I were actually the character - and I couldn't imagine just leaving the demon in there on the off chance I could go talk with some mages and maybe they could help me and I'd get back and the town would be a smoking crater.
For my Main Warden however - who cared nothing for the boy or his mewling mother - going to the tower was out of his way. Killing Isolde however required putting Morrigan in the Fade as my Warden was a fighter. Without metagaming - my Warden 1) Didn't want to risk his mage ally to demons. 2) Didn't completely know if he could trust Morrigan. and 3) Knew exactly two things about magic... Jack.. and Sh_t.
SO... instead of making a bigger mess - he just decided to kill the boy and be done with the whole thing. He doesn't sit in the blood laughing maniacally afterward... he doesn't twirl his mustache... he heals Eamon because he had already been to the Urn and had the ashes.
From a meta-point - I have to decide what my characters would do. Going to the Circle seems like a very naive, idealistic, risky maneuver even though I know it works... and I don't usually play a character who would take the lives of people and risk them like that.
Nor does saving Connor do anything personally for me meta-wise... I don't feel the same moral restrictions I do in the real world. And, of course, in the real world "meta-gaming" is impossible.
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Respectable looking Templars. See, it's not so hard.
Then we have those other idiots in the Hinterlands....
SO... instead of making a bigger mess - he just decided to kill the boy and be done with the whole thing. He doesn't sit in the blood laughing maniacally afterward... he doesn't twirl his mustache...
The Templar Order is love, the Templar Order is life.
I wonder if the Templar Order has a base in Orlais somewhere now that they left the spire.
aren't the knights divine and vigilint part of the Templars and the bodyguards of the Divine.
aren't the knights divine and vigilint part of the Templars and the bodyguards of the Divine.
For the love of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So, he is alive...For the love of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So, he is alive...
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It's not like the title is forever unusable after the one holding it dies. This isn't North Korea.
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